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Old 02-19-2017, 10:57 AM
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I remember them all stopping at that standard and paying their respects while watching the wedding.

I think its a wonderful gesture on the part of foreign dignitaries and heads of state and royalty to stop and acknowledge the significance of the country that they're visiting. It puts the wedding into a perspective that this was not only the wedding of Guillaume and Stephanie but first and foremost before any ceremony, they acknowledged that they were at the wedding of Guillaume and Stephanie of Luxembourg.
With a little correction: not the national flag was greeted but the regimental standard: "Chef de détachement Major Peter Bodé, three chefs de peloton, nine chefs de section (non-commissioned officers) and 63 soldiers formed the détachement d'honneur in front of the cathedral. First lieutenant Yves Van Camp bore the regimental standard and was escorted by two non-commissioned officers and three soldiers."

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Old 02-19-2017, 11:17 AM
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Thank you for the correction Duc_et_Pair.

(checking off my "learn something new every day" box.)
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:27 PM
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Curtsey to Empress Michiko during arrival at Bangkok:
http://www.sankei.com/images/news/17...110034-p14.jpg

Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn curtseys to Emperor Akihito:
http://www.sankei.com/images/news/17...110034-p20.jpg

King Maha Vajiralongkorn bows to Empress Michiko:
http://www.sankei.com/images/news/17...110034-p25.jpg

Photos from Sankei Imperial Weekly #477
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:30 AM
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Japanese skier Akito Watabe bows to King Harald:
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:20 AM
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CP Mary curtseys to King Constantine II of Greece.

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Old 04-05-2017, 07:24 AM
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King Felipe and Queen Letitia of Spain get courtseyed to by a robot during their visit to Japan.
https://www.vorsten.nl/2017/04/05/sp...edium=facebook
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:07 AM
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King Felipe and Queen Letitia of Spain get courtseyed to by a robot during their visit to Japan.
https://www.vorsten.nl/2017/04/05/sp...edium=facebook
That would have been very "Japanese", but I don't think the robot is actually curtsying.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:05 AM
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It does seems like it, with the legs bend like that. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but certainly at first glance it looks that way. 😁
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:55 AM
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I read somewhere that when Kate is with William, almost everyone bows to her, yes. When she is alone, she has to bow to them, yes. My confusion was the part that Harry has to bow to her regardless. That doesn't seem right. With a William, yes, without, no.
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:31 AM
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People confuse precedence with bowing when they are two separate things.

Kate would bow to The Queen and maybe Philip as her consort. Other than that she wouldn't bow to anyone.

As for precedence - public precedence is different to private precedence.

Publicly she takes her precedence as the wife of the Queen's grandson - which technically is behind all of HM's children and ahead of all of her other grandchildren. In practice she takes precedence publicly as the third lady in the land and enters and exits places accordingly.

In private e.g. when the family is together then the precedence is different with born princesses taking precedence over married-in princesses. This in effect means that if Beatrice and Kate arrive at a door at the same time Beatrice enters first. If Kate arrives as that door with William as well as Beatrice then Beatrice enters after William and Kate.

Until 2005 private and public precedence was the same but after Camilla married Charles the Queen changed the rules (allegedly because Anne was refusing to accept that in private she should be behind Camilla). That was extended in 2011 to include Kate of course.

All precedence means is the order of entering and exiting places and where people sit. It has nothing to do with bowing or curtseying - although many people seem to confuse the two things and think that they are the same thing.

We have seen events when Charles and Camilla arrive somewhere separately to William and Kate and not seen them curtsey or bow and yet if precedence = bowing then we should. What we do see in that circumstance is that they enter in the correct order - order of importance.

We don't see Beatrice and Eugenie curtsey to Camilla or vice versa - because they are all princesses. What we do see is Beatrice and Eugenie give Camilla the correct precedence in public but behind closed doors when only women are present (not necessarily Charles - any man in the family) then Camilla takes precedence.

Returning to my scenario with Beatrice and Kate arriving at a door at the same time at say Sandringham - if they know that Philip, Charles, Edward or any male in inside the room then Kate enters first as they then take their precedence based on the males as well.
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Old 04-15-2017, 01:59 PM
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Until 2005 private and public precedence was the same but after Camilla married Charles the Queen changed the rules (allegedly because Anne was refusing to accept that in private she should be behind Camilla). That was extended in 2011 to include Kate of course.
Eeek! Yet Anne accepted to be behind Diana? What is that about?

BTW my family would never survive all of that you said. Nope, can't even imagine it. Courtesy is one thing, letting gramma go first, etc., but all the in-laws stuff. Lordy! Think about it, how would your family fare under such protocols?
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Old 04-15-2017, 02:03 PM
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People confuse precedence with bowing when they are two separate things.

Kate would bow to The Queen and maybe Philip as her consort. Other than that she wouldn't bow to anyone.

As for precedence - public precedence is different to private precedence.

Publicly she takes her precedence as the wife of the Queen's grandson - which technically is behind all of HM's children and ahead of all of her other grandchildren. In practice she takes precedence publicly as the third lady in the land and enters and exits places accordingly.

In private e.g. when the family is together then the precedence is different with born princesses taking precedence over married-in princesses. This in effect means that if Beatrice and Kate arrive at a door at the same time Beatrice enters first. If Kate arrives as that door with William as well as Beatrice then Beatrice enters after William and Kate.

Until 2005 private and public precedence was the same but after Camilla married Charles the Queen changed the rules (allegedly because Anne was refusing to accept that in private she should be behind Camilla). That was extended in 2011 to include Kate of course.

All precedence means is the order of entering and exiting places and where people sit. It has nothing to do with bowing or curtseying - although many people seem to confuse the two things and think that they are the same thing.

We have seen events when Charles and Camilla arrive somewhere separately to William and Kate and not seen them curtsey or bow and yet if precedence = bowing then we should. What we do see in that circumstance is that they enter in the correct order - order of importance.

We don't see Beatrice and Eugenie curtsey to Camilla or vice versa - because they are all princesses. What we do see is Beatrice and Eugenie give Camilla the correct precedence in public but behind closed doors when only women are present (not necessarily Charles - any man in the family) then Camilla takes precedence.

Returning to my scenario with Beatrice and Kate arriving at a door at the same time at say Sandringham - if they know that Philip, Charles, Edward or any male in inside the room then Kate enters first as they then take their precedence based on the males as well.

Oh, that Anne, having the attitude that "I don't want to curtsy to my older brother's wife". She didn't get along with Diana either, so why didn't they change the private precedence in 1981?


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Old 04-15-2017, 02:04 PM
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Just a reminder that we have a discussion on the Order of Precedence here:

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Old 04-15-2017, 03:16 PM
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Until 2005 private and public precedence was the same but after Camilla married Charles the Queen changed the rules (allegedly because Anne was refusing to accept that in private she should be behind Camilla). That was extended in 2011 to include Kate of course.
1. Do I believe in it? No.

2. Why not? Because it was the British press who said it.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:40 PM
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Right, lets get back on topic please. This thread is about Bowing and Curtseying not about the order of precedence.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:29 AM
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Easter 2017: Kate curtseyed and William bowed his head as they greeted the Queen, seen wearing turquoise, outside the church

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Old 04-16-2017, 07:02 AM
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Lovely. And Beatrice ? Did she curtseyed just before?
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:18 AM
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/...Sunday-service

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Old 04-16-2017, 09:05 AM
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You can't really see the York girls on the video because of the angle. There is clear footage of the Wessexes on the right hand side of the door but Peter and Autumn block the view. You only see Kate's hat bob up and down.
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Old 04-16-2017, 09:45 AM
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Lovely pic of Kate curtseying and smiling at the Queen.


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