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Old 12-01-2014, 08:13 PM
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There seems to be a special aura around HM QEII and the DoE. The queen is almost universally respected and admired for very good reason. Even Angelina Jolie gave her a little dip!

There are about three or four Royals that I'd probably pay that type of courtesy to, and QEII is one of them.
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There seems to be a special aura around HM QEII and the DoE. The queen is almost universally respected and admired for very good reason. Even Angelina Jolie gave her a little dip!

There are about three or four Royals that I'd probably pay that type of courtesy to, and QEII is one of them.
And also Princess Anne!


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Old 12-02-2014, 02:07 PM
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but it is normal of princess anne and angelina jolie to curtsy to her. but mr obama is the head of state himself, so i find it rather ridiculous of him to curtsy, as i would do if mrs obama curtsies... however, putting your arms around the queen, just like michelle did when she met her in london, now, that was a big no-no too.
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Old 12-02-2014, 08:32 PM
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I agree that it was a faux-pas on the part of Mrs. Obama, but the gesture was a warm and spontaneous one in response to QEII, who had put her arm around Mrs. Obama first. Americans are not accustomed to the idea that someone can touch them, but they shouldn't touch back.

Michelle was in her early days as First Lady and it was obviously simply a lack of awareness of Royal protocol...no big deal, imo.
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Old 12-02-2014, 11:31 PM
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The President knows protocol but slightly bowed to Her Majesty out of respect to her. Also, The Queen also put her arms around the First Lady too. It was a warm embrace that The Queen didn't mind. I remember the media, royal reporters and royal watchers nearly lost their minds on those pictures. I think people just need to relax sometimes.

Charles has been kissed, butt squeezed and hugged...he enjoy that kind of thing. The younger royals have also embraced being touched.
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Old 12-03-2014, 12:31 AM
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I agree 100% Dman!
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:49 AM
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The President knows protocol but slightly bowed to Her Majesty out of respect to her. Also, The Queen also put her arms around the First Lady too. It was a warm embrace that The Queen didn't mind. I remember the media, royal reporters and royal watchers nearly lost their minds on those pictures. I think people just need to relax sometimes.

Charles has been kissed, butt squeezed and hugged...he enjoy that kind of thing. The younger royals have also embraced being touched.
Butt-squeezed? Now I would like to see a picture of that!
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:55 AM
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Whomever Obama (or any U.S. President) bows to is indicated by a raised eyebrow to the president by the Chief of Protocol. It is OK for him to do so in countries where it is customary (i.e., Japan). In Muslim countries, it is prohibited, as one bows only to Allah. Obama and QEII are equal as Heads of State and he doesn't need to bow to her, but can bow as she is a woman.

No one is compelled to bow to HMTQ as the population of the Commonwealth are no longer "subjects", but are citizens.
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I agree that it was a faux-pas on the part of Mrs. Obama, but the gesture was a warm and spontaneous one in response to QEII, who had put her arm around Mrs. Obama first. Americans are not accustomed to the idea that someone can touch them, but they shouldn't touch back.

Michelle was in her early days as First Lady and it was obviously simply a lack of awareness of Royal protocol...no big deal, imo.

Exactly so!
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:25 AM
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Whomever Obama (or any U.S. President) bows to is indicated by a raised eyebrow to the president by the Chief of Protocol. It is OK for him to do so in countries where it is customary (i.e., Japan). In Muslim countries, it is prohibited, as one bows only to Allah. Obama and QEII are equal as Heads of State and he doesn't need to bow to her, but can bow as she is a woman.

No one is compelled to bow to HMTQ as the population of the Commonwealth are no longer "subjects", but are citizens.
Again, he knows the protocol. He did it just out of respect for The Queen.
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Again, he knows the protocol. He did it just out of respect for The Queen.
Or maybe he inclined his head slightly to narrow the large height difference?
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  1. Debrett's ‏@Debretts 2m2 minutes ago
    It is acceptable, but less usual, to shake hands without bowing or curtsying, in less formal circumstances #RoyalVisitUSA
  1. Debrett's ‏@Debretts 3m3 minutes ago
    When meeting the Duke & Duchess of Cambridge, men should bow and women curtsy, upon being presented and on leaving #RoyalVisitUSA
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Really? In New York City, USA? Good luck with that!
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:58 AM
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Debretts is living in the past. Even HM says curtseying and bowing are not mandatory. I might curtsey to the Queen, but the Cambridges will have to do something before I'd reverence them. What poppycock.
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It is optional and you don't have to Bow or Curtsey. This is not 1558 where you would have been sent to the Tower if you refused to Bow to Curtsey.

If I ever met The Queen or any if her Successors in the Future I would bow out of tradition.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:13 AM
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In complete agreement with KittyAtlanta. Many people here in the US tend to view the Cambridges more as pop culture celebrities than true royalty anyway, which is indeed probably why an NBA player felt able to take the "privilege" of putting his arm around Kate. Something that never would have happened with the Princess of Wales 20 years ago and would not happen today with Maxima or Letizia.

No indictment of William and Kate themselves, it'simply the price of media overexposure and the old "familiarity breeds contempt" maxim.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:20 AM
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The only person I saw bow to them was the guy that met them at the hotel. I would imagine that the British Ambassador and Consul General bowed.

I don't think W&K really care about that and the whole bit abound you can't touch royalty is stupid too.


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Old 12-09-2014, 10:22 AM
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Its understandable. The Cambridges receive more media attention in a week than other royals do in a year if they're lucky and it gets people's backs up. Their favourite royal is left out
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:28 AM
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That might be true Rudolph, or they could simply fail to understand what all the fuss is about.

Debrett's Peerage is a book that's useful for lovers of history and geneology(like me). But if it's dictates were followed today as strictly as you seem to wish they were, there would be no Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Prince William would never have been permitted to marry a Kate Middleton.
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Butt-squeezed? Now I would like to see a picture of that!

I believe it was a Spice Girl who did it.
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