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Old 12-26-2017, 09:40 PM
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Good for the Queen insisting on Prince Phillip giving up smoking before they married. Otherwise I doubt very much he would have made it so far. You only have to look at the Queen's father and sister (and uncle the Duke of Windsor) so see why she was right. I know there are incidents of 100-year-olds who smoked like chimneys, but in general it does shorten lifespan, in some cases considerably. It's not the normal way of things that your sister dies before your mother.
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Old 12-26-2017, 11:24 PM
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Good for the Queen insisting on Prince Phillip giving up smoking before they married. Otherwise I doubt very much he would have made it so far. You only have to look at the Queen's father and sister (and uncle the Duke of Windsor) so see why she was right. I know there are incidents of 100-year-olds who smoked like chimneys, but in general it does shorten lifespan, in some cases considerably. It's not the normal way of things that your sister dies before your mother.
What a woman! It takes a real woman indeed to "insist" a man like Philip do anything, and that man to do it! (Ah, more proof, as if we needed it, of their devotion to each other!)
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Old 12-27-2017, 06:17 AM
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Did the Queen insist though, or was it Philip himself who gave up, and a legand's grown that it was the Queen who insisted? Incidentally, Philip's mother Princess Alice, had a very heavy smoking habit. I think Anne once remarked that you could tell when she was coming along the corridors of BP by the clouds of cigarette smoke that preceded her.
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:08 AM
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I dobut it,. I have never heard of this, (or indeed anything about Philip smoking). But I'm pretty sure that the queen would not insist unless there was a health reason.
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:16 AM
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I dobut it,. I have never heard of this, (or indeed anything about Philip smoking). But I'm pretty sure that the queen would not insist unless there was a health reason.
I wouldn't put too much stock in that statement either considering that back around 1947 when Elizabeth and Philip married, doctors were still telling women to take up smoking to relax and aid in losing weight. The health concerns from smoking are no where near what they are today.
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:24 AM
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I wouldn't put too much stock in that statement either considering that back around 1947 when Elizabeth and Philip married, doctors were still telling women to take up smoking to relax and aid in losing weight. The health concerns from smoking are no where near what they are today.
Exactly. And while the queen has always led a healthy life, sensible eating, exercise, I don't think she ever smoked.. and probably just likes an occasional drink..i doubt if she'd try to impose "No smoking" on her family. the only thing I've heard of her imposing on Philip was thtat she doesn't like beards and he sometimes had one.. in his Navy days..
A lot of her relatives were heavy smokers, and I'm sure she didn't in the 40s or 50s, think of it as a health problem....
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Old 12-27-2017, 10:34 AM
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The story I am familiar with is that Philip gave up smoking because he knew that Elizabeth hated the habit, he had his last cigarette on or right before his wedding day. The reason given for her hating the habit was because she had family members who smoked and suffered ill health because of it. Perhaps in 1947 there had not been any official discouragement of smoking by government and physicians group but I am pretty sure it was known by both professionals and laypeople that smoking could cause health problems.
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It was known by some experts but it wasn't generally considered to be a health risk. SHe might not have liked the habit, but I find ti hard to believe she was all that aware of the health risks. Its possible that if she didn't like cig smoke, Philip gave up to please her..
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Old 12-27-2017, 11:05 AM
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Lots of smokers have a distinctive cough. It doesn't take a genius to figure out smoking is bad for your health.
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And perhaps she didn’t want cigarettes stinking up her home and her clothes. Many smokers don’t seem to realize the vile smell is offensive to others.
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Im not a smoker but I don't think it is a vile smell. Siomeone of the queen's age, was not likely 70 years ago, to think of health risks when most doctors didn't think of them.
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Old 12-27-2017, 12:46 PM
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Im not a smoker but I don't think it is a vile smell. Siomeone of the queen's age, was not likely 70 years ago, to think of health risks when most doctors didn't think of them.
I used to visit my mother who was an enthusiastic smoker (but lived until age 90). Before I brought my suitcase into her house, I would put it into a giant black plastic bag. I would take my clothing out when I was ready to dress, and I would put my previous day’s clothing into another bag.
I’ve never been a smoker, I have a great sense of smell, and I don’t want to smell like a smoker.

Had I been Queen, I would have commanded that my mother stop smoking!(She would have defied me.)
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Old 12-27-2017, 02:19 PM
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Lots of smokers have a distinctive cough. It doesn't take a genius to figure out smoking is bad for your health.
Absolutely! The Queen does not merely come from a family of smokers, she comes from a family of heavy smokers and both her grandfather (who was euthanized) and father spent their final years suffering from illnesses that could be easily traced to their smoking habit. My guess is that the same was true of her grandmother Queen Mary, who also smoked, but her health decline has not been reported on as much as her father and grandfather's.
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“Coffin nails”...

...is a term used for cigarettes as early as the 1880’s. Even then, smoking was thought to be dangerous. And the British Medical Journal published research in 1950 showing a link between smoking and lung cancer.
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Old 12-27-2017, 03:24 PM
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I can tell when a heavy smoker sits next to me on a bus or train or tube. They smell like a used ashtray. I can hardly believe they don't know how much they stink. Perhaps the Queen felt the same.
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Old 12-27-2017, 03:37 PM
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I can tell when a heavy smoker sits next to me on a bus or train or tube. They smell like a used ashtray. I can hardly believe they don't know how much they stink. Perhaps the Queen felt the same.
And their houses stink, too!
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:33 AM
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Smoking and smokers have never bothered me, some of them smell quite good. Ironic that we can't "fat shame" people but we can "cigarette shame" despite both being killers.
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:41 AM
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I don't see that it is anyone else's business, either for people who smoke or over eat. You can request htat someone not smoke near you, fair enough but IMO its impertinent to "shame" them....(or overweight people of whom I'm one)...
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:45 AM
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Denville you are officially my BRF soulmate; I agree with u.
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:01 AM
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I don't see that it is anyone else's business, either for people who smoke or over eat. You can request htat someone not smoke near you, fair enough but IMO its impertinent to "shame" them....(or overweight people of whom I'm one)...
Because secondhand smoke can be detrimental to others' health.
(And the smell permeates everywhere, on everything and lingers.)
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