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Old 09-07-2005, 11:08 AM
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That I do not know about...good question, anyone? I would not think so, especially Phillipos who is still young.

But then again, Andreas of Monaco smokes and pictures have captured Pierre and Charlotte as well.

Prince Harry does and Prince William may occasionally have one.

It seems a lot of the younger aristocratic and titled set in Great Britain smoke.
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:30 AM
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can someone post a pic of charlotte smoking pls? i've never seen her, i don't think she actually smokes
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Old 09-08-2005, 02:27 AM
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Char does smoke, there are some on the thread on monaco royalty!!!
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Old 09-08-2005, 09:41 AM
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well i've never seen them. i alwys saw her brothers and fmaily smoke...even saw her surrounded by friends who were smoking. but i never saw HER smoking. i'm not saying she doesn't...i'd just like to see a photo of her smoking.
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Old 09-08-2005, 05:59 PM
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While smoking is not the best habit in the world, I do not think Princess Maxima should be villified like a criminal as I have been reading on some of your posts. Europeans still have a more accepting stance on smoking in the cultures. I smoke, I do not do any other drugs and people look at me like I am a murderer when I light up. Only in the U.S. can groups push to legalize marijuana but then want to ban smoking.....I do not understand the difference as one is just as bad for one's health as the other.
I think the difference is that maraijuana can be used as a controled pain reliever for those in desperate need.
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:08 PM
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Well, I do not agree with using any type of illegal drug. Both are bad for your health. And what you wrote about has been used as a persuasive argument in the United States, but will never pass as a law and rightfully so. It sends the wrong message, like smoking does, to our children, that it is perfectly harmless to do. That is not a moralistic and good standard to set for our country's youth.
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:23 PM
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Well, I do not agree with using any type of illegal drug. Both are bad for your health. And what you wrote about has been used as a persuasive argument in the United States, but will never pass as a law and rightfully so. It sends the wrong message, like smoking does, to our children, that it is perfectly harmless to do. That is not a moralistic and good standard to set for our country's youth.
Marijuana is a lighter drug than oxycodone which is legally prescribed. Why will this law never pass? Like it or not this law may pass and not only in the US. If this law does pass the drug will probably only be legal in the sense that it can be prescribed by a doctor. There are many people put there who suffer from various diseases and ailments that may get some relief from this drug. Why is that wrong? If anyone has ever known pain, chronic dehabilitating pain or had a loved one without alternative and this drug may relieve some of that who is anyone to deny them or judge them for that?
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:54 PM
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Does Queen Paola of Belgium still smoke? I thought I saw pictures of her in her picture forum smoking several times. Would anyone know if she's quit or does she still smoke??
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Old 09-09-2005, 05:09 AM
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didnt she stop becos of prince harald's sickness???
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:02 AM
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Hi,

While you make some very interesting points, the United States is not about to pass laws to degrade the education of "Just say no to Drugs".

I am well aware of the potential medicinal benefits, but given the rampant drug use among minors in this country, the mere symbolic passing of a such a law would open Pandora's box of giving it legitimacy.

We in the U.S. are not in the habit of doing such a thing.

I do give several European countries credit such as Italy and Ireland for banning smoking, but, people who do smoke cigarettes should still not be treated like evil people.

Did everyone know that when she was Queen, the Queen Mother smoked 8 cigarettes a day?

I also read Queen Sofia still smokes three a day, one after each meal.



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Marijuana is a lighter drug than oxycodone which is legally prescribed. Why will this law never pass? Like it or not this law may pass and not only in the US. If this law does pass the drug will probably only be legal in the sense that it can be prescribed by a doctor. There are many people put there who suffer from various diseases and ailments that may get some relief from this drug. Why is that wrong? If anyone has ever known pain, chronic dehabilitating pain or had a loved one without alternative and this drug may relieve some of that who is anyone to deny them or judge them for that?
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:28 PM
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smoking law

here in malta smoking is banned from inside places, like in italy and ireland. though i find it perfectly acceptable not to smoke in a restaurant, i still disagree on no smoking in bars or clubs. i find them so distinct places.


i don't want ppl to get me wrong in this...but ok, ppl cannot smoke inside next to other ppl who might be disturbed by smoking, but outside non-smokers just have to accept having to sit near a smoker. ok it's outside, but smoke till gets to u! my point is basically that, if u pass the law for against passive smoking i still cannot get the point of it. if d point is to decrease smoking, well they just do not get it right...a smoker will manage to smoke wherever, even if that entails staying out in d rain. plus...if a restauarnt or any other outlet has a special area for smokers (some tightly closed look room which looks more like a cage than part of a restaurant) he will choose that that go for a place where non-smoking is allowed, and might even just not visit more places where absolutely no smoking is allowed!
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:44 PM
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Hi,

While you make some very interesting points, the United States is not about to pass laws to degrade the education of "Just say no to Drugs".

I am well aware of the potential medicinal benefits, but given the rampant drug use among minors in this country, the mere symbolic passing of a such a law would open Pandora's box of giving it legitimacy.

We in the U.S. are not in the habit of doing such a thing.

I do give several European countries credit such as Italy and Ireland for banning smoking, but, people who do smoke cigarettes should still not be treated like evil people.

Did everyone know that when she was Queen, the Queen Mother smoked 8 cigarettes a day?

I also read Queen Sofia still smokes three a day, one after each meal.
I think Pandoras box was opened when the US gun laws were passed, I'm not trying to be rude just stating a fact. Whether it's drugs or guns some fool will take advantage of the law but you can't punish everyone for it. Drug education should start in the home with the parents & then through schooling education. If this doesn't happen then whose to blame? This might get me in trouble but the US in my opinion tends to always want to be one step ahead of the game (not always), once other countries start passing particular laws then the US tends to follow suit as not to be left behind for example the cloning laws. The law in regads to marijiuna I believe will be eventually passed but with strict regulations, just a matter of time. It's obvious we won't agree on that so let's not debate it anymore, if it doesn't pass you can come back and mock me and vice versa!

I don't treat people who smoke badly, I just request that they do it elsewhere. I'm an ex smoker and understand some have the "need" to light up but I also understand that quitting is not impossible because I've been cigarette free for 5 years. I did know the Queen Mother smoked, Queen Elizabeth II is said to have smoked as well. It is just in my opinion that with all of the knowledge that we have now a days in regards to the negative effects of second hand smoke that its rather ignorant that some people insist on smoking infront of thier children or others who may not appreciate it. I'm not saying its these royals just people in general.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:53 PM
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Well, we are to dicuss royals smoking..but you bring up intriguing points. I have studied in my Master's program for political science some of the more liberal laws recently passed by Cananda. I always find the opposite view point fascinating...as we all must keep an open mind to them.

You do bring up some great views and I enjoy reading them.

Gun laws by the way are have been in effect for many, many years. It is a constitutional amendment....whether or not it is right should not be for debate on this forum.

But, knowing my country as I do from a legal and constitutional standpoint, it will never pass as a federal law.


I know what you mean about smoking...I have gradually weaned myself off of it. Not too easy, but I can empathize with the royals who do smoke.

Not an easy habit to break.

Really? I never would have guessed the current Queen smoked.....Princess Margaret, yes, like a chimney...

Btw...Laura Bush smoked and just recently gave it, but you will never see her do it in public.
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Old 09-09-2005, 01:20 PM
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Well, we are to dicuss royals smoking..but you bring up intriguing points. I have studied in my Master's program for political science some of the more liberal laws recently passed by Cananda. I always find the opposite view point fascinating...as we all must keep an open mind to them.

You do bring up some great views and I enjoy reading them.

Gun laws by the way are have been in effect for many, many years. It is a constitutional amendment....whether or not it is right should not be for debate on this forum.

But, knowing my country as I do from a legal and constitutional standpoint, it will never pass as a federal law.


I know what you mean about smoking...I have gradually weaned myself off of it. Not too easy, but I can empathize with the royals who do smoke.

Not an easy habit to break.

Really? I never would have guessed the current Queen smoked.....Princess Margaret, yes, like a chimney...

Btw...Laura Bush smoked and just recently gave it, but you will never see her do it in public.
Well, I've studied nothing except NBC & CNN (just joking) - nothing pertainig to these law topics anyways. I have a medical background although royal biographer is looking good right about now.:)

Your right I was thinking that these topics were not appropriate for this forum as I was typing them but I couldn't resist.

I must say I loved your posts but chances are you do know your government better than I. I must admit I do hear alot about what's going on in the US and sometimes nothing about Canada which I find bothersome & that's the Canadian news channels...:(

Queen Elizabeth is said to have smoked always privately (not in the public eye) She is said not to be a heavy smoker. I don't know if she still smokes or not. I guess she grew up in the era where it was socially acceptable, both her parents smoked. They say if your parents smoke than your more likely to smoke as well. I feel sorry for these royals/public figures who are scrutinized. The press makes it look like they are demons for a smoking habit that really isn't that bad. Yes, it looks and smells nasty but I'd rather be a smoker than a cocaine addict/alcholoic or medical affliction at least your still in control of your mind as oppose to the other.
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Wow....I never knew that about her at all.

I read that Prince Philip swore off cigarettes and promised her when they married he would not do it.

I also found it interesting that Qeen Victoria HATED all forms of tobacco and forbade smoking in any of her homes.

But two of her sons-in-law finally convinced her to give them a gentlemen's room in Widsor Castle where the could smoke so they did not have to keep going outside.
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Old 09-09-2005, 01:59 PM
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here in malta smoking is banned from inside places, like in italy and ireland. though i find it perfectly acceptable not to smoke in a restaurant, i still disagree on no smoking in bars or clubs. i find them so distinct places.


i don't want ppl to get me wrong in this...but ok, ppl cannot smoke inside next to other ppl who might be disturbed by smoking, but outside non-smokers just have to accept having to sit near a smoker. ok it's outside, but smoke till gets to u! my point is basically that, if u pass the law for against passive smoking i still cannot get the point of it. if d point is to decrease smoking, well they just do not get it right...a smoker will manage to smoke wherever, even if that entails staying out in d rain. plus...if a restauarnt or any other outlet has a special area for smokers (some tightly closed look room which looks more like a cage than part of a restaurant) he will choose that that go for a place where non-smoking is allowed, and might even just not visit more places where absolutely no smoking is allowed!
Hi Nokklav,
In Canada there are designated smoking areas even outdoors, so that smokers can sit down in certain areas and have thier smoke in peace. If you are found smoking outdoors in a public area that is designated as non smoking (and sometimes that's the sidewalk) you will be ticketed for not only smoking but sometimes littering if you do not dispose of your cigarette butt properly. The police take this very seriously. Here being outside does not mean you can smoke anywhere unless its in your own home or backyard and even now that's being disputed as well. I guess every country is different.
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Wow....I never knew that about her at all.

I read that Prince Philip swore off cigarettes and promised her when they married he would not do it.

I also found it interesting that Qeen Victoria HATED all forms of tobacco and forbade smoking in any of her homes.

But two of her sons-in-law finally convinced her to give them a gentlemen's room in Widsor Castle where the could smoke so they did not have to keep going outside.
Really, Queen Victoria?? I would have never guessed. Maybe she had an allergy?? Light athsma? Mostly men smoked back then not only cigarette's but cigars as well. Lot's of smoke can be overwhelming for a non smoker. I guess she was ahead of her time in that area.

It's possible Queen Elizabeth quit sometime ago. I'm sure her doctors advised her against it. Especially since her father and Margaret both were diagnosed with lung cancer.
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Hi...yes, I read it in the book Queen Victoria's Daughters Princess Helena's husband Prince Christian and Alice's husband Prince Louis of Hesse were both dedicated smokers, as was Princess Louise, her daughter. Both men asked QV if it was okay to have a room for them to smoke in.

She gave her permission and then set aside a room on other side of the castle accessible by having to walk outside to get to it.
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:08 PM
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i agree on controlled smoking areas and obviously controlling litter...but controlling ppl what to do in their homes or backyard that seems too much then. after all one's home is prvate property. are they really discussing that extreme in canada?
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In Canada there are designated smoking areas even outdoors, so that smokers can sit down in certain areas and have thier smoke in peace. If you are found smoking outdoors in a public area that is designated as non smoking (and sometimes that's the sidewalk) you will be ticketed for not only smoking but sometimes littering if you do not dispose of your cigarette butt properly. The police take this very seriously. Here being outside does not mean you can smoke anywhere unless its in your own home or backyard and even now that's being disputed as well. I guess every country is different.
I think it should be noted that such discussions are being held in particular cities or provinces in Canada -- not the country as a whole. it would not be a federal law but a provincial or municipal one.

Where I live in Ontario, my municipality was actually one of the first in the province to go smoke free. Toronto was one of the more reluctant cities to do so, but has done so within the last year.

As far as I've heard, the smoking in public outdoor places is really mostly intended for places where children might be around, or people with health risks -- eg. public schools, hospitals, nursing homes, daycares, etc. It would not necessarily apply to all public places, nor your backyard.
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