Unfaithful royals

[marian]

Is true that prince Laurent of Belgium had a child with a singer when he wasnt married? I know that he had an affair with a famous singer of his country. Is he unfaithful to his wife?

[Mari_*]

Originally Posted by Tinika

Unfortunately, I imagine they probably are.

Yep, sad though, poor Sofia..

[Verde Esmeralda]

I saw this picture of Willem-Alexander and Inge de Bruijn, a Dutch Olympic swimmer, during the Athens 2004 Olympic Games.
Though I NEVER heard/read that he had been unloyal, unfaithful or anything remotely similar (just to make it clear!), what I did recall are some comments on Máxima being quite upset about this image, and even making some kind of fuzz to WA over it. Does any of our fellow Dutch members remember what did the local press say about this?

http://www.sportfotografie.nl/500px/...uijn_10068.jpg

[Marengo]

There were one or two boulevard magazines who published the pictures to. They claimed that Maxima was not amused and referred to german magazines hinting on a marriage crisis. The general opinion (for those who read the news) however is that this is utterly rediculous, and more than that it once again shows that these magazines make up anything to sell.

I believe the Dutch ambassador to Australia made a (diplomatic) reference to it when the Prince and Princess where there a few months ago. Maxima and WA seemed to had a good laugh about it.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by marian

Is true that prince Laurent of Belgium had a child with a singer when he wasnt married? I know that he had an affair with a famous singer of his country. Is he unfaithful to his wife?

I believe there are rumours that the Prince is the father of the child of Wendy van Wanten. The childs name contributed to these speculations as she is called 'Clementine', like the villa of Laurent where she is supposed to be fathered. The refusal of Wendy to say who the father is also adds fuel to the fire as well. She did however deny rumours of the Prince as the father on more then one occassion.

[Empress]

You know - I have noticed something of a trend. And bear in mind that I am 27, so I will speak to this generation, which I believe encompasses anyone 25 - 40, say. I have noticed that our parents had/have more of a free idea of love and marriage. I have noticed that, at least among my circle and of the current child bearing age royals, that there seems to be much more loyalty and equality in marriage. There seems to be more trust and far less divorce. There also seems to be far more happiness. Maybe because most of the marriages are still under ten years, both in my circle and in the royal circles, but there just seems to be a different feel to it than those of our parents generation. Maybe because people are also marrying when they are older, and thus more wordly wise. I don't know, I just notice a discernable differnce, and lack of illegitimate children. And again, far less divorce. But like I said, maybe because all of the marriages are less than 10 years old. Who knows.

In any case, just something that I have noticed.

[auntie]

Originally Posted by Empress

You know - I have noticed something of a trend. And bear in mind that I am 27, so I will speak to this generation, which I believe encompasses anyone 25 - 40, say. I have noticed that our parents had/have more of a free idea of love and marriage. I have noticed that, at least among my circle and of the current child bearing age royals, that there seems to be much more loyalty and equality in marriage. There seems to be more trust and far less divorce. There also seems to be far more happiness. Maybe because most of the marriages are still under ten years, both in my circle and in the royal circles, but there just seems to be a different feel to it than those of our parents generation. Maybe because people are also marrying when they are older, and thus more wordly wise. I don't know, I just notice a discernable differnce, and lack of illegitimate children. And again, far less divorce. But like I said, maybe because all of the marriages are less than 10 years old. Who knows.

In any case, just something that I have noticed.

Maybe it's due to the fact that they make marriages out of love and not arranged marriages, even if the marriage goes sour they have a better go at it to make it work, and marriage counseling is also more advanced than before!

[wymanda]

Obvious (to me anyway) that Alexandra was "stepping out" with Martin before she separated from Joachim

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by wymanda

Obvious (to me anyway) that Alexandra was "stepping out" with Martin before she separated from Joachim

Why do you say this? Are there any references as to think she did? I don't remember the name Martin come out during their divorce procedures.

[marian]

Do you belive that in all this marriages can stop the love?

[lisamaria]

Originally Posted by marian

I know tha Edward VII had 7,800 lovers, according to his intimate diary, between which there was the great-grandmother of Camila Parker, Alice Keppel, Lilly Langtry, the countess of Warwikc, actresses as Sarah Bernhardt, to whom the doctors had that amputated her leg for an accident, and others people offered her 10,000 dollars in order that it she was exposing her leg in a museum. She refused, and had a son, Maurice, of a Belgian prince. The princess of Sagan was other of his favorite lovers.

7 800? Seven thousand eight hundred? Let's see: He was born in 1841 and died, at the age of 69, at 1910. If he started out young, say, at the age of 15, that would make 144,44 women a year, one in every two and a half days. Guess it is do-able

I think the society has been, during the last few decades, a lot less allowing than in the past - guess our ideals about marriage and love have been emphasized since the days of Edward VII. When already second Luxembourg prince, Louis, gave up his right to the throne after having conceived a child out of wedlock, I thought about it; in the past royal men probably knocked women up left and right, and nobody moralised them or demanded them to give up their rights or marry. In the past, much tighter moral codes guided the ordinary people and now those codes have caught up with their leaders as well.

[Verde Esmeralda]

Originally Posted by Marengo

There were one or two boulevard magazines who published the pictures to. They claimed that Maxima was not amused and referred to german magazines hinting on a marriage crisis. The general opinion (for those who read the news) however is that this is utterly rediculous, and more than that it once again shows that these magazines make up anything to sell.

I believe the Dutch ambassador to Australia made a (diplomatic) reference to it when the Prince and Princess where there a few months ago. Maxima and WA seemed to had a good laugh about it.

Thanks Marengo. Was this the only episode in which the couple was (remotely) said to have a crisis? I never heard anything, at least from here, apart from this....but I was not very updated until now

[wymanda]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Why do you say this? Are there any references as to think she did? I don't remember the name Martin come out during their divorce procedures.

Well, she met him when he came to photograph Joachim & she must have got to know him fairly well to leave her husband and risk losing her children. I would say that the Queen told them it must be kept amicable and that was why no adultery was cited.