Unfaithful royals

[marian]

Is true that prince Laurent of Belgium had a child with a singer when he wasnt married? I know that he had an affair with a famous singer of his country. Is he unfaithful to his wife?

[Verde Esmeralda]

I saw this picture of Willem-Alexander and Inge de Bruijn, a Dutch Olympic swimmer, during the Athens 2004 Olympic Games.
Though I NEVER heard/read that he had been unloyal, unfaithful or anything remotely similar (just to make it clear!), what I did recall are some comments on Máxima being quite upset about this image, and even making some kind of fuzz to WA over it. Does any of our fellow Dutch members remember what did the local press say about this?

http://www.sportfotografie.nl/500px/...uijn_10068.jpg

[Marengo]

There were one or two boulevard magazines who published the pictures to. They claimed that Maxima was not amused and referred to german magazines hinting on a marriage crisis. The general opinion (for those who read the news) however is that this is utterly rediculous, and more than that it once again shows that these magazines make up anything to sell.

I believe the Dutch ambassador to Australia made a (diplomatic) reference to it when the Prince and Princess where there a few months ago. Maxima and WA seemed to had a good laugh about it.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by marian

Is true that prince Laurent of Belgium had a child with a singer when he wasnt married? I know that he had an affair with a famous singer of his country. Is he unfaithful to his wife?

I believe there are rumours that the Prince is the father of the child of Wendy van Wanten. The childs name contributed to these speculations as she is called 'Clementine', like the villa of Laurent where she is supposed to be fathered. The refusal of Wendy to say who the father is also adds fuel to the fire as well. She did however deny rumours of the Prince as the father on more then one occassion.

[Empress]

You know - I have noticed something of a trend. And bear in mind that I am 27, so I will speak to this generation, which I believe encompasses anyone 25 - 40, say. I have noticed that our parents had/have more of a free idea of love and marriage. I have noticed that, at least among my circle and of the current child bearing age royals, that there seems to be much more loyalty and equality in marriage. There seems to be more trust and far less divorce. There also seems to be far more happiness. Maybe because most of the marriages are still under ten years, both in my circle and in the royal circles, but there just seems to be a different feel to it than those of our parents generation. Maybe because people are also marrying when they are older, and thus more wordly wise. I don't know, I just notice a discernable differnce, and lack of illegitimate children. And again, far less divorce. But like I said, maybe because all of the marriages are less than 10 years old. Who knows.

In any case, just something that I have noticed.

[auntie]

Maybe it's due to the fact that they make marriages out of love and not arranged marriages, even if the marriage goes sour they have a better go at it to make it work, and marriage counseling is also more advanced than before!

[wymanda]

Obvious (to me anyway) that Alexandra was "stepping out" with Martin before she separated from Joachim

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by wymanda

Obvious (to me anyway) that Alexandra was "stepping out" with Martin before she separated from Joachim

Why do you say this? Are there any references as to think she did? I don't remember the name Martin come out during their divorce procedures.

[marian]

Do you belive that in all this marriages can stop the love?

[lisamaria]

Originally Posted by marian

I know tha Edward VII had 7,800 lovers, according to his intimate diary, between which there was the great-grandmother of Camila Parker, Alice Keppel, Lilly Langtry, the countess of Warwikc, actresses as Sarah Bernhardt, to whom the doctors had that amputated her leg for an accident, and others people offered her 10,000 dollars in order that it she was exposing her leg in a museum. She refused, and had a son, Maurice, of a Belgian prince. The princess of Sagan was other of his favorite lovers.

7 800? Seven thousand eight hundred? Let's see: He was born in 1841 and died, at the age of 69, at 1910. If he started out young, say, at the age of 15, that would make 144,44 women a year, one in every two and a half days. Guess it is do-able

I think the society has been, during the last few decades, a lot less allowing than in the past - guess our ideals about marriage and love have been emphasized since the days of Edward VII. When already second Luxembourg prince, Louis, gave up his right to the throne after having conceived a child out of wedlock, I thought about it; in the past royal men probably knocked women up left and right, and nobody moralised them or demanded them to give up their rights or marry. In the past, much tighter moral codes guided the ordinary people and now those codes have caught up with their leaders as well.

[Verde Esmeralda]

Originally Posted by Marengo

There were one or two boulevard magazines who published the pictures to. They claimed that Maxima was not amused and referred to german magazines hinting on a marriage crisis. The general opinion (for those who read the news) however is that this is utterly rediculous, and more than that it once again shows that these magazines make up anything to sell.

I believe the Dutch ambassador to Australia made a (diplomatic) reference to it when the Prince and Princess where there a few months ago. Maxima and WA seemed to had a good laugh about it.

Thanks Marengo. Was this the only episode in which the couple was (remotely) said to have a crisis? I never heard anything, at least from here, apart from this....but I was not very updated until now

[wymanda]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Why do you say this? Are there any references as to think she did? I don't remember the name Martin come out during their divorce procedures.

Well, she met him when he came to photograph Joachim & she must have got to know him fairly well to leave her husband and risk losing her children. I would say that the Queen told them it must be kept amicable and that was why no adultery was cited.

[Biri]

I heard that last Shah of Iran had many lovers and had been unfaithful to Farah.
One of them was named Ange and they were meeting each other till his death...

[auntie]

Originally Posted by lisamaria

7 800? Seven thousand eight hundred? Let's see: He was born in 1841 and died, at the age of 69, at 1910. If he started out young, say, at the age of 15, that would make 144,44 women a year, one in every two and a half days. Guess it is do-able

I wouldn't call them lovers, b/c a lover is s/one you have a relationship with, they were bedmates at best, hookers at worst, yet it does seem unrealistic!

[Nathalie Cox]

There are/were lots of unfaithful royals!
I don't know if they've been mentioned, but for example, King Henry VIII was unfaithful.
Back to these days, Prince Charles in it's moment to Diana, Prince Ernst to Chantal Hochuli...Even Andrea Casiraghi and these new pics of him kissing another girl that wasn't his current girlfriend.
They are like the rest of us, but of course we find out about their affairs because they are all the time in the press.

[Odette]

So very true. In the good old times when royalty was a closely knit circle, extra marital affaires did not reach the public.
Of course there were plenty of Dukes and Counts being created when a royal favourite was falling out of favour or a husband turned a blind eye.
Nowdays everything is being played on center stage.

[IloveCP]

Originally Posted by Verde Esmeralda

I saw this picture of Willem-Alexander and Inge de Bruijn, a Dutch Olympic swimmer, during the Athens 2004 Olympic Games.
Though I NEVER heard/read that he had been unloyal, unfaithful or anything remotely similar (just to make it clear!), what I did recall are some comments on Máxima being quite upset about this image, and even making some kind of fuzz to WA over it. Does any of our fellow Dutch members remember what did the local press say about this?

http://www.sportfotografie.nl/500px/...uijn_10068.jpg

The link does not work for me.I found another picture.Is this it?

Pic

I don't think WA is that type of person.It's nice that the couple,eventually,laughed at the situation.

[JennieN]

do you think Princess Grace and Prince Rainier of Monaco have extramarital affairs during their marriage? I was said that Princess Grace slept with her best friend's husband in the 1960s and that her friends even admitted to receiving a letter from Grace kelly for forgiveness - at is was write in a book by Wendy Leigh "True Grace: The Life And Time Of An American Princess. It listed a whole bunch of names like Marlon Brando to Frank Sinatra....and then it said that Prince Rainier also cheated but no proof or anything.
I don't think neither the Grace or Rainier was unfaithful in the marriage. Family is too important for them to ruin it. Grace spend a great deal of time with their children and Rainier spending too much time building Monaco that they hardly spend enough time together and there goes speculations.

What do you think?

[Furienna]

I thought it was a known fact, that Rainier was unfaithful? I have never heard anything about Grace though.

[NGalitzine]

They used to joke about it. Grace commented that the tabloids always had her running off with a ski instructor and Rainier said reports always had him with a woman at the Hotel Negresco in Nice. Of course no one could ever come up with the name of the persons they were supposed to be sleeping with or any evidence of infidelity but they made good stories. One would think by now someone would have written a tell all book claiming to have been the lover of one or the other of them. You can't libel the dead after all, so if they wanted to make a quick buck they could even if untrue.