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Old 10-16-2006, 11:12 AM
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I thought that Juan Carlos was madly in love with Maria Gabriella? It was just a fling? I never understood why they didn't marry. I do remember that he eventually decided to marry Sofia (Who is an outstanding Queen). Any feedback is appreciated.
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Old 10-16-2006, 11:15 AM
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According to a recent biography of him, written by Paul Preston, King Juan Carlos before his marriage to Sofia had a long-term relationship, a distant cousin (of the Savoy clan, I think her name was Maria Gabriella?)
You may are talking about Maria Gabriella di Savoia, sister of Vittorio Emmanuelle, the just deposed chief of the House of Savoia, being the royal House of Italy. Maria Gavriella lives in Geneva since many many years, so it could be true, as King Juan Carlos spent many years in Switzerland when he was young. But her family was already deposed, her father reigned only 1 or 2 years I think, they were chassed from Italy after the WWII, and they returned only abt 60 years after.

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and his family approved her so much that they put some pressure on him to marry her, but then he met Sofia and fell in love, and they were no impressed with Sofia because she was from a deposed royal family,
When Juan Carlos met Sofia she was the daughter of a powerfull reigning King (Pavlos of Greece). THey married in may 1962, in full glory in Athens, Greece being a Kingdom at this time. Her family became deposed only about 7 years after, but in the moment of marrying him, she was very powerfull, not him. On the opposite, when they got engaged, it was considered quite a "misalliance", for her, because Franco was alive, Juan Carlos was deposed without any future, nor an official role, and living in Spain a very risky life, because nobody knew what Franco would decide for him, even the worst....
It was a real love wedding, but the commun sense AT THIS TIME was that Sofia made a bad marriage.

The first years of their married life in Spain were very very difficult, being constantly under political suspicions and rounded by Franco's spies. Even financially, they were really very very tight, their only income was a allowance from the greek state (which should have stopped when Greece chassed the King Constantin, in 1968-69), and the help of the Grands d'Espagne, rich and faithfull to the KIng. All this for Sofia, was very hard, and really out of the life she has been raised to live.
Sorry the subject was in King Juan was cheating her, I do not know, but it would sound strange to me, after all the difficult life the managed to overcome together, as a team and family.


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I know they would portray his son Felipe like that before his marriage to Letizia (the models, Eva Sannum, etc.)
Felipe was single, and he had always had quite long relationships, Isabel Sartorius abt 2 years, Gigi Howard, also, Eva Sannum abt 4 years, it does not make him as playboy.
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Old 10-16-2006, 12:21 PM
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Bárbara Rey(an actress) tried to blackmail Juan Carlos
source: this book
http://www.elcorteingles.es/libros/p...SBN=849734264X

The most famous lover was or is (¿?) Marta Gayá http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=...ya&sa=N&tab=iw
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Old 10-16-2006, 01:43 PM
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This is the daughter of King Albert of Belgium
her name is Delphine Boël, her mother's name is Sybille de Selys-Longchamps
A mistress(?) of albert
Photo: keizerrijken.org
http://www.koningkeizerrijken.info/delphine-boel-01.jpg
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Old 10-16-2006, 01:56 PM
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I didnt know there was any gossip about Rainier of monaco , after her married Princess Grace's ???
Apparently there have been rumors, but I never hear or read any follow up specifics to those rumors. A few people, when discovering my interest in the grimaldis, have asked me, "Is it true Grace had infidelities during her marriage?" If I was just to guess, I would say no, because it seems probable that people somehow confuse her pre-marital lifestyle, which did include many Hollywood lovers, with the marriage. The reason I believe this is just that, as I said, I've never read any satisfactory specifics to back up the rumors. I guess you could say she might have cheated with this or that guy friend with whom she was photographed on some occasions, or whatever, but the speculation is just so vague. I don't see how "journalists" can get away with writing "so and so might have done this because here they are, in 10 pictures, ten moments together, embracing..." There are so many contexts in which people, especially in European countries, can embrace: greeting, joy, consoling, playful....
I don't know, maybe she did, maybe she didn't. I've also heard rumors about Rainier cheating on her. As to that, I only know of one other relationship he had, and that was before the marriage (or maybe it continued, I don't know); she was a poor actress, I think. He wanted to marry her but she didn't want to give up her dream of being a successful actress just to be a princess. I'm positive many here know more details and exactly what I'm refering to, and probably have more accurate info.


BTW, thank you, Fandes. for the comments you made on my Juan Carlos post. You did a very nice job filling in my gaps of memory and correcting the finer points on which I had forgotten. I had it in my memory that Sofia's brother lost the Greek throne a few years before the marriage, so I got it totally backwards and it was her father, King Paul, that lost it, that's right, Konstantinos/Constantine inherited the "defunct throne."
Yeah, it was Maria Gabriella di Savoia. According to Preston's book, she was a childhood friend and they dated later, and apparently, apart from Sofia, she was the closest relationship he's had. I think they were so close she expected he would propose, but he dithered, and eventually met Sofia, and the rest is history. But apparently, she got over the bitterness and they are actually on good terms now.

I was not saying anything against Felipe at all. All I said was that before his marriage, the press liked to portray him as this Randy Andy type, courting all sorts of model/actress-types and leading the playboy lifestyle.
I'm certain he is very devoted to his wife. I was just making a reference to the media's portrayal of his "eligible bachelor" period. He did have long relationships, but I think the media liked to say he was a playboy, no?
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Old 10-16-2006, 02:01 PM
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Bárbara Rey(an actress) tried to blackmail Juan Carlos
source: this book
http://www.elcorteingles.es/libros/p...SBN=849734264X

The most famous lover was or is (¿?) Marta Gayá http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=...ya&sa=N&tab=iw
I remember reading about Marta Gaya in a Royalty magazine. Apparently the Queen was really upset about this affair and actually made a dash for the airport in the middle of the night with her kids in tow. She was showing the King that she meant business and had every intention of leaving. She was however stopped at the airport and not allowed to board.
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:46 PM
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This is the daughter of King Albert of Belgium
her name is Delphine Boël, her mother's name is Sybille de Selys-Longchamps
A mistress(?) of albert
Photo: keizerrijken.org
Oh so this is Delphine?Thanks for posting a pic of her.
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:00 PM
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"Albert has a daughter Delphine Boël by Sybille, Baroness de Selys Longchamps. Delphine was born on 22 February 1968 and bears the name of Jacques Boël the husband of her mother Sybille (Jacques and Sybille were married in 1962). "[from Monarchies of Europe]
English http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphine_Bo%C3%ABl
French http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphine_Bo%C3%ABl
http://www.koningkeizerrijken.info/delphine-boel.htm

Few photos of her:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....lphineBoel.jpg
http://pro.corbis.com/search/searchFrame.aspx
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Old 10-16-2006, 05:59 PM
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BTW, thank you, Fandes. for the comments you made on my Juan Carlos post. You did a very nice job filling in my gaps of memory and correcting the finer points on which I had forgotten.
You are welcome, Casiraghi trio, ..
Sofia's brother lost the Greek throne a few years AFTER the marriage,
SOFIA's father, King Pavlos died on 1964 (two years after JC & S wedding), BEING A KING IN THRONE. 4 years after Constantinos, lost the throne.

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Yeah, it was Maria Gabriella di Savoia. According to Preston's book, she was a childhood friend and they dated later, and apparently, apart from Sofia, she was the closest relationship he's had. I think they were so close she expected he would propose, but he dithered, and eventually met Sofia, and the rest is history. But apparently, she got over the bitterness and they are actually on good terms now.
Very interesting, thanks for info, this is the good point of such threads, we put our knowledges together.
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:39 PM
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Sofia's brother lost the Greek throne a few years AFTER the marriage
SOFIA's father, King Pavlos died on 1964 (two years after JC & S wedding), BEING A KING IN THRONE. 4 years after Constantinos, lost the throne.
Ok, I think I got it straight now: Sofia's pop is king, she marries Juan Carlos, her pop dies, and then her brother became king, four years later, Konstantinos loses the throne. Whew! You're making me use my brain too much, fandesacs!
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Old 10-16-2006, 08:15 PM
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I don't get why people think that JC and Sofia's marriage was for convenience, they had so many things against them:

1. Franco (Spain's ruler at that time) didn't like Sofia because she wasn't catholic
2. Queen Frederika (Sofía's mother) didn't like the idea of her marrying a "pretender", she would have liked Sofia to marry Harald of Norway
3. They had to ask for a special permission from Pope John XVIII to get married 'cuz she wasn't catholic at the moment of the ceremony
4. To please everybody, they had to get married THREE times the same day: one civil, one catholic and one ortodox!

They would have had a much easier time marrying somebody else, don't you think?
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Royalty Magazine had an article some years back about Sofia in the 70's taking the children and getting ready to board a plane because she had it with Juan Carlos and his not so discreet affairs. He sent some officials IIRC to stop her from boarding. It's said she was not serious as she knew this would happen, she wanted to make a point. I remember something else that struck me with that article. It said that the Spanish people sympathized with Sofia and admired her for sticking with Juan Carlos. It said the Spanish have a saying along the lines of "the car might make several trips around the block, but it always come home to the garage".
I also remember reading some innuendo that Diana was a "special friend" of Juan Carlos. One was encouraged to read between the lines and assume that there were illicit meetings. Ewww. That's just wrong on so many levels.
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I don't get why people think that JC and Sofia's marriage was for convenience, they had so many things against them:

1. Franco (Spain's ruler at that time) didn't like Sofia because she wasn't catholic
2. Queen Frederika (Sofía's mother) didn't like the idea of her marrying a "pretender", she would have liked Sofia to marry Harald of Norway
3. They had to ask for a special permission from Pope John XVIII to get married 'cuz she wasn't catholic at the moment of the ceremony
4. To please everybody, they had to get married THREE times the same day: one civil, one catholic and one ortodox!

They would have had a much easier time marrying somebody else, don't you think?
Very true, but all these points just convince me more of their intense love and devotion to each other. This is why I find it very hard to believe there have been infidelities in their marriage.
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Old 10-17-2006, 05:27 AM
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I've read that Princess Grace had several affairs after her marriage, including one with Frank Sinatra which George Jacobs talks about in his book. He was Frank Sinatra's butler:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-S-Last-Wo.../dp/0330412299


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Long before the Irish-American actress perished in a tragic car crash, her husband, Prince Rainier of Monaco, had found out about dalliances with a string of young Hollywood stars.
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Old 10-17-2006, 06:36 AM
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This is the daughter of King Albert of Belgium
her name is Delphine Boël, her mother's name is Sybille de Selys-Longchamps
A mistress(?) of albert
Photo: keizerrijken.org
She looks a bit like Queen Astrid IMO (Albert II's mother), and resembles GD Josephine-Charlotte in her younger years to. Sadly her relationship with her father isn't to good, she opened up to a magazine last year saying not to positive things about Queen Paola and her sons.
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Old 10-17-2006, 06:46 AM
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I've read that Princess Grace had several affairs after her marriage, including one with Frank Sinatra which George Jacobs talks about in his book. He was Frank Sinatra's butler:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-S-Last-Wo.../dp/0330412299


AND

BEAUTIFUL blonde Grace Kelly cheated on her charming Prince, it was revealed last night.
Long before the Irish-American actress perished in a tragic car crash, her husband, Prince Rainier of Monaco, had found out about dalliances with a string of young Hollywood stars.
LINK
It doesnt suprise me , there again we really will never know , for sure.
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Ok, I think I got it straight now: Sofia's pop is king, she marries Juan Carlos, her pop dies, and then her brother became king, four years later, Konstantinos loses the throne. Whew! You're making me use my brain too much, fandesacs!
You got everything perfectly, bravo. You will soon become a specialist of the GRF also.
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She looks a bit like Queen Astrid IMO (Albert II's mother), and resembles GD Josephine-Charlotte in her younger years to. Sadly her relationship with her father isn't to good, she opened up to a magazine last year saying not to positive things about Queen Paola and her sons.
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Very true, but all these points just convince me more of their intense love and devotion to each other. This is why I find it very hard to believe there have been infidelities in their marriage.
But many marriages start with love in the beginning, but they end with infidelity years later. I don't know how it is between Juan Carlos and Sophia though.
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Many royals are known for beening unfaithful that has been going on for thousands of years this is not a new tread everyone knowns that both Prince Charles cheated on Diana with his now second wife Camilla, The Duchess Of Cornwall and Diana cheated on him with a British man named James Hewitt. I did not know that princess Grace cheated on prince Rainier that's sad but I know that King Albert Of The Beligians had a child out of wedlock that is another thing I don't know if this is true but some the godchildren of royals are actually their children out of wedlock.
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