Royals' Ex-Partners

[Mirabel]

Unfortunately Dman, I had exactly the opposite impression.

Me too.

I think Dave wanted the perks (with Beatrice) but not the commitment.

 

[Dman]

Me too.

I think Dave wanted the perks (with Beatrice) but not the commitment.

The guy have money and his own life. I think he wanted a wife and family and Beatrice wasn't ready. According to Rebecca English sources, Beatrice is happy for him.

 

[Mirabel]

The guy have money and his own life. I think he wanted a wife and family and Beatrice wasn't ready. According to Rebecca English sources, Beatrice is happy for him.

Well, she could hardly say anything else.
But I don't believe it, I think Beatrice must be feeling hurt.

 

[ladongas]

Sadly, lots of relationships stretch out for a long time and then don't culminate in marriage. I think mature couples should marry while the flame is hot and new.

 

[Zonk]

It could be like the line in Sex and City....Dave was the cab and he was ready to marry. His light was on...the next person who got in the cab...is now his fiancee.

If Dave was ready to get married and Beatrice was not...they did the best thing by breaking up. There is nothing worst than a couple dating for a significant amount of time [i.e. years], marry and than divorce within a short time of their marriage. And Beatrice doesn't have the option of a divorce...the press will have a field day with that one!

I had a girlfriend who dated her now ex husband for at least six years...they married [on my birthday no less...we all disliked him for various reasons] they weren't even married for a year before they started having problems [he was cheating]. While in Marriage Counseling, he admitted that he wasn't ready to marry but only proposed and married her because they had been together for so long and it was the next step. Mind you...she didn't pressure him to propose and get married.

My response to that when she told me was that just meant they should have broken up sooner and not gotten married.

Apparently, for whatever reason..Beatrice and/or Dave didn't think it was necessary to go to the next step. Someone wasn't ready.

Hopefully for the sake of his child, Dave has chosen wisely.

 

[Curryong]

I agree with ladingas. I don't think relationships that last for almost a decade with no talk between the two people of marriage or a future engagement or at least settling down together, in the first couple of years can just drift on and on with no resolution. I think that's what happened in this case. And I always got the feeling that Beatrice was more invested in their relationship than Dave was.

 

[Mirabel]

I do think Beatrice dodged a bullet with Dave Clark; I always felt he was smarmy.

But I believe she is bound to feel hurt, even if she's putting a decent face on it.

(I truly hope she doesn't attend the wedding; she can easily contrive an important event so she can avoid it).

 

[Zonk]

I do think Beatrice dodged a bullet with Dave Clark; I always felt he was smarmy.

But I believe she is bound to feel hurt, even if she's putting a decent face on it.

(I truly hope she doesn't attend the wedding; she can easily contrive an important event so she can avoid it).

I could see how she could possibly be hurt if he professed deep love for her. To declare love for someone and less than a year later...marry someone else? In hindsight, it can make you question the feelings that were expressed by both parties.

On the other hand, if your ex marries someone less than a year after you were in a relationship with that person, it can make you feel like you dodged a bullet.

I was always Meh about Dave Clark but he was her first serious boyfriend [in my mind, I know she dated that Italian guy] so I never put too much stock in their relationship. I never saw marriage as the end game for Dave and Bea. I think Bea needs to find herself before she marries. I think she has an idea but she is still searching.

 

[royal rob]

You often hear of a couple breaking up because one of them wants to marry and have a family and the other doesn't. Then the one that didn't want to marry does get married and start a family!! That must be extremely sad so if that's the case with Bea I feel very sorry for her

 

[O-H Anglophile]

I do think Beatrice dodged a bullet with Dave Clark; I always felt he was smarmy.

But I believe she is bound to feel hurt, even if she's putting a decent face on it.

(I truly hope she doesn't attend the wedding; she can easily contrive an important event so she can avoid it).

I can"t imagine anyone, other than a writer for a tabloid, thinking anyone has an obligation to attend an ex's wedding.

 

[O-H Anglophile]

The guy have money and his own life. I think he wanted a wife and family and Beatrice wasn't ready. According to Rebecca English sources, Beatrice is happy for him.

Maybe she is happy for him, but really what else is she going to say?

 

[Dman]

Maybe she is happy for him, but really what else is she going to say?

I haven't seen Beatrice moping around since the split. There may be a little hurt present over the announcement, but I think she's okay with it and has moved on. Just like he has moved on. I just don't think the split happened because he didn't want to commit. I think it's Bea who wasn't ready and he was. It's very good and mature to end things because one isn't ready to get married.

 

[Mirabel]

I haven't seen Beatrice moping around since the split. There may be a little hurt present over the announcement, but I think she's okay with it and has moved on. Just like he has moved on. I just don't think the split happened because he didn't want to commit. I think it's Bea who wasn't ready and he was. It's very good and mature to end things because one isn't ready to get married.

Beatrice doesn't seem to be dating someone else though.

(As for not being ready to marry, I think she has been ready for some time and thought Dave would eventually marry her. Finally she was forced to accept that he wouldn't. It has to be hard for her, and I hope she finds a better partner in time).

 

[Dman]

Beatrice doesn't seem to be dating someone else though.

(As for not being ready to marry, I think she has been ready for some time and thought Dave would eventually marry her. Finally she was forced to accept that he wouldn't. It has to be hard for her, and I hope she finds a better partner in time).

Well, it's not easy for some people to jump in another relationship after dating somebody for so long. Also, dating have to be in your mind. I'm not sure Beatrice is concentrating on that. Her job and charities seem to have taken over.

 

[Leopoldine]

Well, it's not easy for some people to jump in another relationship after dating somebody for so long. Also, dating have to be in your mind. I'm not sure Beatrice is concentrating on that. Her job and charities seem to have taken over.

There is no way her "job and charities" have monopolized this young woman's time to the point where it has been impossible for her to meet a nice man.

I read that she even went to San Francisco, home of all those rich computer men who wear sneakers to work. She went to the big thing at the Frick Museum earlier this year, bad royal radar there. She won't meet a hetero single man at that kind of party.

She has to aim older now, the businessmen who made the money but want the prestige.

She also has a monkey on her back -- her mother. A son-in-law of Fergie will pay.

Ask Dave.

 

[Mirabel]

She also has a monkey on her back -- her mother. A son-in-law of Fergie will pay.

Ask Dave.

Yes, I do think that Fergie has damaged her daughters' marriage prospects.

 

[samitude]

Isn't she friends with Prince Amedeo of Belgium and some of the other European royals? Surely they could introduce her to someone nice.

 

[Leopoldine]

Isn't she friends with Prince Amedeo of Belgium and some of the other European royals? Surely they could introduce her to someone nice.

That would be wonderful. How many people here, on this forum, would like to see Princess Beatrice married to a nice aristocratic man who has the stones to shut down her horrible mother and send her packing.

 

[Osipi]

I think sometimes people start dating and after a long period of time, it just seems like that's what they're supposed to be doing and they become like a pair of comfortable old shoes. The shoes look kind of worn out but they feel like they belong on your feet and become your favorite shoes to be comfortable in. The dating becomes routine. The relationship is there and its a safe one and and lets face it, you know each other well enough that you don't really have to work at that relationship too much anymore. Expectations of marriage may be there but why change something that works so well the way it is?

I think the relationship between Beatrice and Dave most like got old and they were going through the motions of being together without the relationship going to a deeper level that they both wanted to commit to marriage. They both realized this and called it quits. Perhaps they're still good friends even. They just realized that a marriage partnership for the two of them wasn't in the cards.

With the door on that relationship slammed shut by mutual decision, they're both free to find and explore what they're really looking for. If Dave has found that, I can believe Beatrice being happy for him and wishing him well. He'd do the same perhaps for her if she had found what she was looking for first too I'd hope.

Beatrice and Dave's relationship wasn't a waste. I'm sure they have many happy memories together but it was one of those relationships where they both didn't grow together towards marriage and family. This happens alot in couples even after they've been married a long time. You grow together or you grow apart.

 

[rmay286]

Dave Clark is engaged:

Princess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark is engaged

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.

The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...

 

[Countessmeout]

Dave Clark is engaged:

Princess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark is engaged

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.


The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...

This is being discussed on the royal ex thread

 

[Lady Nimue]

Yes, I do think that Fergie has damaged her daughters' marriage prospects.

No, I don't think so. I think Beatrice's fascination with being royal is the problem, and her failure to make a life for herself. I have long thought (when I've considered this couple, of Dave and Beatrice) that Beatrice could not make Dave #1 in her life. She's a little too fascinated with her own celebrity (in this she is likely her mother's daughter).

My hunch is that Dave got involved with the new finance before the split for all the typical reasons: Beatrice simply was not paying attention (perhaps). Her interest was elsewhere. Just a thought. A possibility.

When Beatrice lets go of her status and starts making a life, a man might become interested. JMO. Until then, she will drift. BTW I don't automatically think that Dave is genuinely 'in love'. He's gotten 'caught', and one hopes for his sake that he does not one day regret. Anyway, who knows?

 

[Leopoldine]

Dave Clark is engaged:

Princess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark is engaged

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.

The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...

There's no way she's going to the wedding. Dating for ten years, then she goes to the wedding? Her mother must have done the press there. Fergie never thinks before she speaks.

 

[MARG]

Fairs fair, you have absolutely no reason except personal animus to blame Sarah for the contents of this report. She loves her daughter and would never do anything to deliberately hurt her. She is not mentioned.

 

[Countessmeout]

Isn't she friends with Prince Amedeo of Belgium and some of the other European royals? Surely they could introduce her to someone nice.

Yes, the Yorks move in the circles of the young continental royals and Aristos. And many British as well. We see them at many of those weddings like Amedeo and Pierre Casiraghi weddings.

I don't see Bea as the drifter and royal hanger on people put her as. She is a royal. That's a reality. She had carved out a life if her own. She has a dozen patronages, she is a founder and actively involved with the Branson charity, and is starting a company. Contrary to the party girl always on holiday she is shown as becayse papers ignore why she is where she is.

Honestly I think Bea is a normal woman in her twenties. She is having fun, building a career and making connections. She has no need for marriage.

When you are in a relationship sometimes you get too comfortable and don't know how to end it or move on. I get the sense neither was wanting marriage,

I am not more sure David is ready now, if rumors are true new woman is pregnant. Not sure he would be proposing if she wasn't pregnant.

Why is it up to a woman to make a man number 1? No one suggests a man should do that for a woman.

 

[Pranter]

That would be wonderful. How many people here, on this forum, would like to see Princess Beatrice married to a nice aristocratic man who has the stones to shut down her horrible mother and send her packing.

Do those exist in England? Aristos with cojones?


LaRae

 

[Lady Nimue]

Why is it up to a woman to make a man number 1? No one suggests a man should do that for a woman.

I think it's necessary for both parties in a relationship. Else why have the relationship? I just think Beatrice makes her position of 'being royal' too significant (and that could be a wedge, a man may not want to take that on). She doesn't know how to let go of it and just live (maybe, it's a thought only). Like Princess Anne's two children do, who are developing wonderfully 'normal' private lives while still being noted.

 

[Florestane]

Beatrice is royal - she uses that position to support her family and good causes. She has held down jobs and is starting her own business, she got her qualifications - she's hardly a dilettante.

I think she's quite normal given her privileged position - she's a girl about town and likes socialising, she's hardly unusual for a young woman of her age.

As to whether she's bothered whether Dave has moved on so quickly, we'll never know. He was single and perfectly entitled to do so.

 

[Countessmeout]

I think it's necessary for both parties in a relationship. Else why have the relationship? I just think Beatrice makes her position of 'being royal' too significant (and that could be a wedge, a man may not want to take that on). She doesn't know how to let go of it and just live (maybe, it's a thought only). Like Princess Anne's two children do, who are developing wonderfully 'normal' private lives while still being noted.

Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. How is it any different?

Anne's children had nothing to let go of. They were private citizens from birth.

Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.

If Beatrice had to abandon her entire life to make a man happy is he worth it? She has worked to build up her place with her patronages. On establishing the charity with Holly and Sam. Why should she have to give that up? She is a private citizen. She doesn't get any recognition as a working royal. Other then rare event. Zara and Peter attend them too like trooping.

A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.

 

[Lady Nimue]

Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. How is it any different?

'Being royal' is not a job as far as I know. Horseback riding (as configured by the wealthy so inclined) certainly is. I think the comparison is not equivalent. 'Being royal' (a social attribute ascribed) is not the same as an activity like horse-back riding one chooses to do. I don't see 'being royal' as 'a job'. First I've heard it referred to that way (except for The Queen and the heirs).

Charity work is not keyed to 'being royal'. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Anne's children had nothing to let go of. They were private citizens from birth.

You already admit that Beatrice is a private citizen later on in your text so not sure what to make of your line of reasoning. 'Being royal' is a pov (in Beatrice's case) which she can easily adjust, for developing a significant private life, where her identity is not keyed to her social status (as 'a job').

Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.

Eugenie functions like a private citizen imo. She goes about her private life, and a job, and then 'being royal'.

If Beatrice had to abandon her entire life to make a man happy is he worth it?

Interesting question, yet the very same is what is asked of anyone who marries a male royal. Though you take what I say too far, dear Countessmeout. I never suggested she 'abandon her entire life'.

From what I can see she doesn't have much of a life outside of 'being royal'. It's a mistake she is making. JMO. If I were her big sister I'd be counseling her to move on.

She has worked to build up her place with her patronages. On establishing the charity with Holly and Sam. Why should she have to give that up?

She doesn't. I never said she should.

She is a private citizen. She doesn't get any recognition as a working royal. Other then rare event. Zara and Peter attend them too like trooping.

Exactly so. You make my point, but she is not investing in a private life.

A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.

True enough (anyone who marries Prince Harry springs to mind). However, I was never positing that. Not sure why you have gone so far in that direction.

Anyway, it was just a thought. I may be totally off, of course.