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Old 05-20-2017, 01:40 AM
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Dave Clark is engaged:

Princess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark is engaged

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.

The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:05 AM
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Dave Clark is engaged:

Princess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark is engaged

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.


The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...
This is being discussed on the royal ex thread
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:09 AM
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Yes, I do think that Fergie has damaged her daughters' marriage prospects.
No, I don't think so. I think Beatrice's fascination with being royal is the problem, and her failure to make a life for herself. I have long thought (when I've considered this couple, of Dave and Beatrice) that Beatrice could not make Dave #1 in her life. She's a little too fascinated with her own celebrity (in this she is likely her mother's daughter).

My hunch is that Dave got involved with the new finance before the split for all the typical reasons: Beatrice simply was not paying attention (perhaps). Her interest was elsewhere. Just a thought. A possibility.

When Beatrice lets go of her status and starts making a life, a man might become interested. JMO. Until then, she will drift. BTW I don't automatically think that Dave is genuinely 'in love'. He's gotten 'caught', and one hopes for his sake that he does not one day regret. Anyway, who knows?
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:26 AM
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Dave Clark is engaged:

Princess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark is engaged

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.

The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...
There's no way she's going to the wedding. Dating for ten years, then she goes to the wedding? Her mother must have done the press there. Fergie never thinks before she speaks.
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:37 AM
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Fairs fair, you have absolutely no reason except personal animus to blame Sarah for the contents of this report. She loves her daughter and would never do anything to deliberately hurt her. She is not mentioned.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:19 AM
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Isn't she friends with Prince Amedeo of Belgium and some of the other European royals? Surely they could introduce her to someone nice.
Yes, the Yorks move in the circles of the young continental royals and Aristos. And many British as well. We see them at many of those weddings like Amedeo and Pierre Casiraghi weddings.

I don't see Bea as the drifter and royal hanger on people put her as. She is a royal. That's a reality. She had carved out a life if her own. She has a dozen patronages, she is a founder and actively involved with the Branson charity, and is starting a company. Contrary to the party girl always on holiday she is shown as becayse papers ignore why she is where she is.

Honestly I think Bea is a normal woman in her twenties. She is having fun, building a career and making connections. She has no need for marriage.

When you are in a relationship sometimes you get too comfortable and don't know how to end it or move on. I get the sense neither was wanting marriage,

I am not more sure David is ready now, if rumors are true new woman is pregnant. Not sure he would be proposing if she wasn't pregnant.

Why is it up to a woman to make a man number 1? No one suggests a man should do that for a woman.
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Old 05-20-2017, 05:46 AM
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That would be wonderful. How many people here, on this forum, would like to see Princess Beatrice married to a nice aristocratic man who has the stones to shut down her horrible mother and send her packing.

Do those exist in England? Aristos with cojones?


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Old 05-20-2017, 02:04 PM
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Why is it up to a woman to make a man number 1? No one suggests a man should do that for a woman.
I think it's necessary for both parties in a relationship. Else why have the relationship? I just think Beatrice makes her position of 'being royal' too significant (and that could be a wedge, a man may not want to take that on). She doesn't know how to let go of it and just live (maybe, it's a thought only). Like Princess Anne's two children do, who are developing wonderfully 'normal' private lives while still being noted.
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Old 05-20-2017, 05:29 PM
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Beatrice is royal - she uses that position to support her family and good causes. She has held down jobs and is starting her own business, she got her qualifications - she's hardly a dilettante.

I think she's quite normal given her privileged position - she's a girl about town and likes socialising, she's hardly unusual for a young woman of her age.

As to whether she's bothered whether Dave has moved on so quickly, we'll never know. He was single and perfectly entitled to do so.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:29 PM
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I think it's necessary for both parties in a relationship. Else why have the relationship? I just think Beatrice makes her position of 'being royal' too significant (and that could be a wedge, a man may not want to take that on). She doesn't know how to let go of it and just live (maybe, it's a thought only). Like Princess Anne's two children do, who are developing wonderfully 'normal' private lives while still being noted.
Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. How is it any different?

Anne's children had nothing to let go of. They were private citizens from birth.

Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.

If Beatrice had to abandon her entire life to make a man happy is he worth it? She has worked to build up her place with her patronages. On establishing the charity with Holly and Sam. Why should she have to give that up? She is a private citizen. She doesn't get any recognition as a working royal. Other then rare event. Zara and Peter attend them too like trooping.

A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:14 PM
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Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. How is it any different?
'Being royal' is not a job as far as I know. Horseback riding (as configured by the wealthy so inclined) certainly is. I think the comparison is not equivalent. 'Being royal' (a social attribute ascribed) is not the same as an activity like horse-back riding one chooses to do. I don't see 'being royal' as 'a job'. First I've heard it referred to that way (except for The Queen and the heirs).

Charity work is not keyed to 'being royal'. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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Anne's children had nothing to let go of. They were private citizens from birth.
You already admit that Beatrice is a private citizen later on in your text so not sure what to make of your line of reasoning. 'Being royal' is a pov (in Beatrice's case) which she can easily adjust, for developing a significant private life, where her identity is not keyed to her social status (as 'a job').

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Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.
Eugenie functions like a private citizen imo. She goes about her private life, and a job, and then 'being royal'.

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If Beatrice had to abandon her entire life to make a man happy is he worth it?
Interesting question, yet the very same is what is asked of anyone who marries a male royal. Though you take what I say too far, dear Countessmeout. I never suggested she 'abandon her entire life'.

From what I can see she doesn't have much of a life outside of 'being royal'. It's a mistake she is making. JMO. If I were her big sister I'd be counseling her to move on.

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She has worked to build up her place with her patronages. On establishing the charity with Holly and Sam. Why should she have to give that up?
She doesn't. I never said she should.

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She is a private citizen. She doesn't get any recognition as a working royal. Other then rare event. Zara and Peter attend them too like trooping.
Exactly so. You make my point, but she is not investing in a private life.

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A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.
True enough (anyone who marries Prince Harry springs to mind). However, I was never positing that. Not sure why you have gone so far in that direction.

Anyway, it was just a thought. I may be totally off, of course.
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Old 05-21-2017, 01:54 AM
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I didn't care for Dave, I always got the uneasy feeling that he was in the relationship more as a social climber than a genuine interest and feeling for Beatrice. He made sure that he knew where the press was and managed to get photos of himself with Beatrice or not. In the last few years of their relationship, when they were on holidays, he was photographed spending more time with the other women in the groups than Beatrice it seemed.
It's a shame, the guy before Dave turned out to be a wanted felon and then Dave was more interested in his publicity than Beatrice. I hope she finds someone like her sister Eugenie has.
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:54 AM
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Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. [.....].
Being royal is no job. And maybe she does some charity work, but so do millions of Britons. When you help to clean the local village church, when you volunteer to paint the club house of the local football club, when you look after that elder lady down in the street, that is already charity work. Nothing for royals only.
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Old 05-21-2017, 03:07 AM
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Fairs fair, you have absolutely no reason except personal animus to blame Sarah for the contents of this report. She loves her daughter and would never do anything to deliberately hurt her. She is not mentioned.
You're right. I was hasty and unkind to blame Sarah Ferguson.

I do think, though, that Princess Beatrice will not attend that wedding.
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Old 05-21-2017, 03:36 AM
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I hope she finds someone like her sister Eugenie has.
I hope she winds up being married to the right man who is so in sync with her that they become one of those magical couples.

I've had relatives like this. Say, a scholarly man, short, likes books, hates sports, marries a short woman, a sportswoman, a person who dotes on animals... Boom. An interesting couple. As singles, not so interesting. Together, very popular and intriguing.

This can happen to Beatrice.



Aside from that, I think the success of her romantic life and marriage depend on how much Beatrice and her intended want to be in the press and if they agree on the amount of press coverage.
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Old 05-21-2017, 05:29 AM
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A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.
A very simple truism. One cannot make another person happy unless they're happy with themselves.

Giving up identity, things in life that one enjoys to focus on someone else's likes and dislikes and to be a shadow of that person is a death knell that strips a person of who they are. Should the relationship fail, one is left with a ghost of the person they used to be.

This has to work for both partners to maintain a healthy relationship. Perhaps Beatrice and Dave were just so comfortable being an "us" that over years of a relationship, they both grew in different directions without even realizing it and those changes worked against the relationship rather than strengthening it. They called it quits so that both could move on with their lives and find what they're really looking for. Perhaps Dave has found that already and Beatrice has still to find it. We don't know.

I can believe that Beatrice wishes Dave well and hopes he found what he's looking for. He just wasn't what she was looking for in the long run.
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Old 05-21-2017, 07:37 AM
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Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.

YET!

The fact that they have been dating for seven years and are not yet engaged is a red flag.

Hope Eugenie doesn't invest a decade in the relationship, only to see it fall apart. (Although I think Jack is much more likeable than Dave Clark).
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YET!

The fact that they have been dating for seven years and are not yet engaged is a red flag.

Hope Eugenie doesn't invest a decade in the relationship, only to see it fall apart. (Although I think Jack is much more likeable than Dave Clark).
But she was only just out of her teens when they first met. I don't find it a red flag for someone in their early 20s - they were both finding their feet career wise as well as being on separate continents.

Hopefully, as they're now a bit older, they will make some decisions about which direction they want to take their relationship.

Personally, if they want to carry on as they are for the rest of their lives that's fine - but it's probably unlikely given her background.
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I think that there are people in the 21st century who are content not being married until they are ready to start a family. So it is possible that Eugenie and Jack will marry when/if they become ready for children. Maybe they already have an understanding between the two of them.
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Whilst she's not a royal, I know of someone who has been with her partner since they were teens, they have 5 kids and are engaged but have never considered getting married.
For some people it's just a piece of paper.

I'm not saying that's the case for Eugenie, but I thinks it's a positive that she's been with Jack so long and they are not engaged.
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