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Old 01-22-2007, 03:56 PM
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She had been an underwear model since age of 15. The public education in Norway is free, thus she didn't model to pay for her studies. .
It was a way to earn some money, and she was not a prostitute...

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but so far none of the former underwear models made it to be a future Queen. .
And Mette Marit with her large ekstasis past........, how could she be a Queen

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Those rumors have been denied.
The artist said that Letizia posed to him dressed, and after the pose he just drawed her topless from his imagination. He never said that she posed topless.
I saw the pic of the painting, you could not even be quite sure that it is her
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It was a way to earn some money, and she was not a prostitute...
And Mette Marit with her large ekstasis past........, how could she be a Queen
Nobody suggested Eva was, neither was MM. All I have been telling you was that there is difference between dropping out of school to pursue a career vs. a college student's part time job. Frederick also worked at Harvard's cafeteria when he studied there, it didn't mean anything other than a student job.
On Mette Marit, maybe Harald and Sonja were too desperate for Haakon to be a King instead of his sister to be a Queen; or perhaps Mette Marit is a lot smarter than her resume would suggest. She also has the advantage of being a native Norwegian and didn't do stupid things while dating a prince. I don't think MM would have been accepted in Norway if she were a foreigner.
Those ex are all history. People must be really bored to bring them up. A man/woman could like different type of woman/man at different stage of their life. I remember reading an article from a famous Spanish personality (don't remember her name) who was sitting next to Felipe at a private dinner offered by Kofi Annan. They had long conversations and Felipe told her that he liked women with intellectual restlessness, with ideas, a few months later, he was engaged to Letizia. After she met Letizia, the answer couldn't be clearer.
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I personally think that even though it is a nude it is rather tasteful.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:30 PM
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The press and public were merciless in criticizing Eva, and she had other issues going against her besides her profession. If you look at the some of the other threads/posts in the forums, Eva was not very discrete during her relationship with Felipe: she blabbed to the press and was photographed topless (abet she was sunbathing at the beach). And of course there was the tastelessly inappropriate blue dress to Haakon and Mette-Marit's wedding. Had she married Felipe, she might have gained acceptance as Princess/Queen eventually, but she had a lot going against her.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:45 PM
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The press and public were merciless in criticizing Eva, and she had other issues going against her besides her profession. If you look at the some of the other threads/posts in the forums, Eva was not very discrete during her relationship with Felipe: she blabbed to the press and was photographed topless (abet she was sunbathing at the beach). And of course there was the tastelessly inappropriate blue dress to Haakon and Mette-Marit's wedding. Had she married Felipe, she might have gained acceptance as Princess/Queen eventually, but she had a lot going against her.
She was stunning with this blue dress, but of course it was inappropriate..... She lost Felipe in some kind by "vanity", she dressed a gown that made her beautiful, but she should have avoided.....
This is why IMO, Letizia, being engaged she was always "covered", she learned from Eva's story.
I do not know anything else about Eva's mistakes, I think it was just a chock of cultures.... In Norway it may be normal to sunbath topless, for a future Queen of Spain it was
About talking to the press I read that she was very discrete. An important "people" magazine offered her a huge amount to talk about her relationship with Felipe, but she refused.
We should not by unfair with her. She suffered a lot from press, she was pursued every day by them, and finally she lost everything....
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:12 PM
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This is why IMO, Letizia, being engaged she was always "covered", she learned from Eva's story.
She actually admitted, in her weblog, that she feared that Felipe was still thinking about Eva, even though they were already married...
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She actually admitted, in her weblog, that she feared that Felipe was still thinking about Eva, even though they were already married...
. Letizia had never granted any interview, nor did she write or say anything in any weblog.
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She actually admitted, in her weblog, that she feared that Felipe was still thinking about Eva, even though they were already married...
Letizia has a weblog??
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:50 AM
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She was stunning with this blue dress, but of course it was inappropriate..... She lost Felipe in some kind by "vanity", she dressed a gown that made her beautiful, but she should have avoided.....
This is why IMO, Letizia, being engaged she was always "covered", she learned from Eva's story.
I do not know anything else about Eva's mistakes, I think it was just a chock of cultures.... In Norway it may be normal to sunbath topless, for a future Queen of Spain it was
About talking to the press I read that she was very discrete. An important "people" magazine offered her a huge amount to talk about her relationship with Felipe, but she refused.
We should not by unfair with her. She suffered a lot from press, she was pursued every day by them, and finally she lost everything....
Did any one see Letizia's red dress at the Danish? To me, it was just as inappropriate as Eva's blue number. I think Letizia's saving grace was her relationship with Felipe was not known until the engagement was announced. Then six months later they were married. I think it took the media a little longer to dig up scandalous info on Letizia due to she was already a TV journalist who had to adhere to a certain decorum to maintain her job, and that she she did not talk to the media unless instructed or accompanied by Felipe.
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Did any one see Letizia's red dress at the Danish? To me, it was just as inappropriate as Eva's blue number. I think Letizia's saving grace was her relationship with Felipe was not known until the engagement was announced. Then six months later they were married. I think it took the media a little longer to dig up scandalous info on Letizia due to she was already a TV journalist who had to adhere to a certain decorum to maintain her job, and that she she did not talk to the media unless instructed or accompanied by Felipe.
Interesting comment. Quick question though: when is Felipe said to have met Letizia, what year was that, and when did he breake up with Eva?
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:47 AM
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Did any one see Letizia's red dress at the Danish? To me, it was just as inappropriate as Eva's blue number. I think Letizia's saving grace was her relationship with Felipe was not known until the engagement was announced. Then six months later they were married. I think it took the media a little longer to dig up scandalous info on Letizia due to she was already a TV journalist who had to adhere to a certain decorum to maintain her job, and that she she did not talk to the media unless instructed or accompanied by Felipe.
Absolutely right. Eva has been destroyed from the Press. Felipe took the lesson, and they hidde their relationship. Letizia may had not any important scandal in her past, but she was married, living 10 years with this man, any coming from a social level low enough to give "food" to the press. They are able to make scandals with less than that.
Being sercret they avoided any pression. When the engagement was announced, it was too late for the journalists and very difficult to speak badly for the "future Princess of Asturias".
Eva was pursued at her home every day, press was awiting to see where whe was going and if Felipe was coming to meet her. She could not step out of her home, without having cameras. If Letizia had the same situation, who knows how she would have reacted. But once her story known, she moved to Zarzuela, and was "intouchable" because fully protected by the Palace.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:50 AM
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Interesting comment. Quick question though: when is Felipe said to have met Letizia, what year was that, and when did he breake up with Eva?
Eva's "last" appearance was in August 2001, with the famous blue dress, in Mette Marit's wedding. In December 2001, Felipe announced that they had broken.
It is supposed that he met Letizia in October-November 2002.
They announced their marriage in 31 October 2003. So they are supposed to have dated less than a year.
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Did any one see Letizia's red dress at the Danish? To me, it was just as inappropriate as Eva's blue number.
How is Letizia's red dress inappropriate for the Danish wedding ? She had covered herself up rather nicely. She looked sexy mainly because of her own good look, Laurentien had worn a similar dress, she looked nice, but not sexy. Eva's dress was frontless, sideless and backless, a bit too much. But who said that she was being rejected because of her blue dress ? Many in Spain including the King and the leaders of political parties didn't think she had the right intellectual and culture formation for the future queen position in Spain. I don't know how other RFs work, but in Spain, besides the official duties, there are lots of private meetings with politicians, media folks and people from different sectors of the society, a certain edcuation background and experience is needed to fit in the working atomesphere of Zarzuela.
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Felipe took the lesson, and they hidde their relationship. .
Of course they wanted to keep their relation private for as long as possible, nothing different from other CP couples. They did frequent restaurants, bars, even travelled together a few times. Felipe's advisors, many journalists knew about their relationship before the end of summer 2003. Federico Jiménez Losantos, a famous anti-monarchy journalist mentioned in his biography that the head of the royal household paid him a visit before the engagement and asked for his opinions on the possible public reaction. The only media sector who didn't know were probably the yellow press. Perhaps they had bad luck, or Felipe/Letizia out-smarted them. The yellow press can be very stupid at times. For example, this Christmas, the Princes, the Infantas and their family were at the center of Madrid for 2 hours, they failed to get pictures of them.

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If Letizia had the same situation, who knows how she would have reacted.
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Maybe she just dumped him if that made you happy . She could be famous and successful on her own, didn't need him as much.
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Maybe she just dumped him if that made you happy . She could be famous and successful on her own, didn't need him as much.[/quote]

Nothing on this story makes me happy or unhappy. It is their life. I dp not get "personnally" involved.

She could of course become very very very famous, but at this moment she wasn't. This is a fact.
She may have become a female "Larry KIng" or even Prime Minister, but for the moment she was just a good young "local" journalist, nothing more. There are thousand like this, to all TV chains and newspapers.
And now she will become a Queen, and she will stay in the History.
She is happy and bravo, Felipe also. But I do not see the reason for some people to become "angry" whe we say something not 100% positive for her.

There is no comparison about what she was before and was she is now. This is no underevaluating her qualities, it is just analysing some facts.

Quite all actual CP, were not belonging to this world, except CP Mathilde.
Maxima, Mary, Letizia, Mette Maritt(!) may had their own value, but they are thousand of girls like this and it is not their "normally expected" destinies to become Queens. But this is nor a blame neither a shame. So I do not understand why on the Spanish Forums, some people "jump and shout" and are trying to persuade us that Letizia would have become the 8th miracle of the World, without having met Felipe.
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. Letizia had never granted any interview, nor did she write or say anything in any weblog.
You're right, Donna K. What I remembered reading & mentioned in my previous post, is a "respectful literary fiction about the public life of a private person" (as said at the very end). I just checked again to be sure

It is in Spanish, but there is a link to English.

El diario de Letizia Ortiz: El Eva-Test


As you can read here,

"(...)Sofía detestaba a la noruega. Yo también. Me pongo de los nervios cuando alguien la menciona. Y si está Filíp delante, intento mirarlo a los ojos para saber si todavía piensa en ella."

Translated, it says "Sofía [the Queen] hated the norwegian. So do I. I get nervous whenever someone mentions her. And if Fílip [Felipe] is present, i try to look at his eyes to know if he still thinks about her."

The amount of detailed info, names and places, is actually very notorious...
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She had been an underwear model since age of 15. The public education in Norway is free, thus she didn't model to pay for her studies.
Eva went to Westerdals School of Communication for 2 or 3 years which is a private school, and costs today approx 50 000 NOK a year plus other expenses like books, materials, travels etc, this cannot be covered with the normal studenloans in Norway, certainly not when you are living in Oslo, then you need a job on the side, or rich parents . Compared to that higher public education costs like 1000 NOK a year plus books etc etc.
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I want to know more about Emily Bremers, Willem-Alexander's ex-girlfriend. I found some pictures posted in this thread, but I am a little bit curious...thanx
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What would you like to know? She was deemed unsuitable by the court, but seemed like a nice girl. In the end she settled with Jhr. Roderick van der Wijck. She studied in Leiden (I believe law) and her father was an orthodotist who moved to Belgium for tax-reasons. Her mother was originally from Zealand I believe, her last name is Rottier.
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You're right, Donna K. What I remembered reading & mentioned in my previous post, is a "respectful literary fiction about the public life of a private person" (as said at the very end). I just checked again to be sure

It is in Spanish, but there is a link to English.

El diario de Letizia Ortiz: El Eva-Test

I didn't know you were talking about this website. I read it long time ago, some hilarious writings. By the way, someone else also created a similar website for Felipe, pretended to be him and wrote his diary, more serious than Letizia's.
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