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It would be fair to say that Russell Group universities have got a fair share of students, who were admitted because of bribes and/or society status.
It would not be fair to say. Universities pride themselves on scores, someone who doesn't make the grade isn't going to enter a Russell Group university. The Russell Group contains 24 universities as of this August, Leeds is a member and St Andrews is not.

Leeds ranked 85th in 2010, in 2011 it ranks 93rd out of 700 universities worldwide.
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It's not irrelevant. St. Andrews is more difficult to get into than Leeds. At my grammar school St.Andrews was one of the most popular universities for applications because of its reputation as an excellent uni. I don't think anyone at my school applied for Leeds.

Ms Davy did get her internship, the first of which was with Farrer & Co, well known in the UK as the lawyers to the Royal Family. You can make your own mind up as to whether that was a coincidence. She doesn't appear to have been offered a permanent contract with Farrer & Co so she took another year off and then got Allen & Overy who, interestingly enough, have also been used by the royals occasionally.
Are you trying to say that the law firms in question were strongly urged to give a preference to Ms.Davy from a cheap university? Who urged the law firms to do so?
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:47 PM
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I think it is fair to say that Ivy League/Russel schools have a fair amount of "legacy" students. However, legacies still have to make the grade for entrance, and those who do make the grade are enrolled before general applicants.

There are some very fine universities out there who have excellent faculty. Quality education does not = money spent. I have heard many times how smart Chelsy is, and big law firms visit not only high-powered schools, but also those schools who may have an excellent Law program, even though the rest of the majors seem lacking.
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:51 PM
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It's weird that St. Andrews hasn't chosen to join the Russell Group. My old university is a member and it's not as high in the rankings as St. Andrews.

In the UK the application system is pretty fair. You apply before you sit your final exams, the universities will either reject you or offer you a place with the proviso that you have to achieve certain grades in your exams. So I had to get AAB in my A Levels to get into my uni; had I got ABB I would not have got in, no matter who I was.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:05 PM
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Are you trying to say that the law firms in question were strongly urged to give a preference to Ms.Davy from a cheap university? Who urged the law firms to do so?
I'm not saying anything. You can make up your own mind whether two of the most prestigious law firms in the country took on a graduate of a university which ranks 27th in the league table of UK universities offering law because of her ability or because she was dating the Prince of Wales's son.

To be honest, though, I wouldn't hold it against her if one of the royals did put a good word in for her as it happens all the time. I studied law at university myself and came very close to deciding to do the Legal Practice Course (thank goodness I saw sense). I know from first hand experience, law is one of those professions in the UK where it helps hugely to know the 'right people'. Of my friends who did go on to become solicitors, they found it very difficult to get a training contract if they didn't have at least some contacts in the profession.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:23 PM
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That does not surprise me. It is the way the British caste society functions. Ms. Davy should be duly lauded for seizing an opportunity.
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Regardless of her "royal connections" they did not get her through law school. That she had to do on her own and is an achievement for anyone.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:35 PM
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Regardless of her "royal connections" they did not get her through law school. That she had to do on her own and is an achievement for anyone.
Nor did they get her either of her internships. She's done very well in her life, and should not be accused of using Harry when she hasn't.

This is a tough world, particularly the job world. If you truly think about it, one way or another, everyone has at least one advantage over an opponent for a job whether it be age, experience, money, knowledge etc. I got my first job because my CV was put to the top of a pile as my brother's best friend worked there. But by no means did he have any say in actually picking me for the job.
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None of us can say for sure she didn't get her training contract as a result of her royal connections. We're never likely to know either way.

I believe Leeds has a reputation as a bit of a party school, although not so much as Newcastle where Eugenie's studying. Both cities have very big club scenes. St. Andrews is such a small town that it couldn't really offer that kind of night life.
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I strongly doubt a highly esteemed law firm such as Allen & Overy would ever consider hiring anyone just because she happens to be the girlfriend of a British Prince. Now, it is possible Chelsy was considered for a position because of her connections: all of us have used all connections from time to time. However, to me it seems certain that she actually got the job because of her brains and qualifications.

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Somehow I don't think a premier law firm can "afford" to employ Chelsy just because she is the ex girlfriend of the 3rd in line for the throne! Just think, if she were not up to the job, the damage she could do to the firm, it's clients and it's reputation.

There is an expectation of the type of person, the type of presentation and the type of execution one would expect from such a firm. "Party Chelsy" would definitely not make the cut, not even as the Tea Lady. So, I'll take a punt and say that she is earning her keep.
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Somehow I don't think a premier law firm can "afford" to employ Chelsy just because she is the ex girlfriend of the 3rd in line for the throne! Just think, if she were not up to the job, the damage she could do to the firm, it's clients and it's reputation.

There is an expectation of the type of person, the type of presentation and the type of execution one would expect from such a firm. "Party Chelsy" would definitely not make the cut, not even as the Tea Lady. So, I'll take a punt and say that she is earning her keep.
You'd be surprised. More and more the role of the solicitor is to 'win business'. To do so you have to get access to the right people and companies. Having an employee with close links to the royal family and their aristocratic friends would certainly help.

I'm sure if she was useless she wouldn't last long. But her connections certainly don't hurt when it comes to getting a position is an extremely competitive job market.
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for goodness sake she is an EX-GIRLFRIEND. Do you think any savvy company, especially a law firm would stake their reputation on a maybe??? Get a grip! You live in a fantasy world which bypasses the real one. You have no idea what you ar talking about - this is pure speculation and it is totally unfair on Chelsy. Give the poor girl some credit!
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I think Harry would marry her tomorrow but she knows what she would have to give up - career, privacy, a life etc and isn't prepared to give up the right to make choices about her own life - to have things organised for her months in advance - to lose the spontaneity she has now.

Chelsy is way too smart for Harry and for the BRF - they wouldn't now how to deal with her.
Totally agree.

I recall seeing the few shots of her at William's and Kate's wedding and she looked seriously discomfited - not pleased at all. Now I'll grant you she may have been the worse for wear from the night before (always a popular theory to explain her total disregard/disdain for the cameras) - but she was watching as much as being watched - and I don't think she was charmed by the experience.

I agree with your last sentence, Iluvbertie - she is just simply too normal for the BRF. How's that for irony. However, she's an opportunity for the BRF, too, were they so inclined to see it - to embrace her, a bona fide career woman, a woman of her times and generation, it would truly modernize the monarchy.

However, she would have to make some effort with the cameras snapping in her direction. She's refreshingly oblivious now but she would have to pay attention at some point - or - maybe not. She is who she is and seems to be not concerned with what the rest of us think. One never knows what's really afoot with someone.

She may wind up being one of those women who never marries - one of Charles' old girlfriends that he was keen to marry but declined - never married. So - maybe here, too. The friendship with Harry will be a deep one and have its own very personal story-line not available to the tabloids.
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Am I the only person who thinks that, if Harry were to propose, Chelsy would jump at it?

If she really wanted to focus exclusively on her career, I think she'd have done her training in South Africa. She is known to prefer the lifestyle there, so why remain in London, if not because she isn't ready to give up on Harry?

But I think Harry is wary, and I suspect the RF is more wary!
There was all that negative publicity about her father, and pictures of her generally show her stumbling out of clubs and parties looking the worse for wear.

If he marries her, get ready for Fergie part 2.
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You'd be surprised. More and more the role of the solicitor is to 'win business'. To do so you have to get access to the right people and companies. Having an employee with close links to the royal family and their aristocratic friends would certainly help.

I'm sure if she was useless she wouldn't last long. But her connections certainly don't hurt when it comes to getting a position is an extremely competitive job market.
Chelsy would not be a "rainmaker" for a law firm. That is the job of the partners. She would be doing legal research for a number of years and depending what type of cases she was assigned, she may never go to trial.

I do agree that her connections MIGHT enhance her possibilities with a firm. However, I don't think being a friend of Harry's or even being an ex-girlfriend, would carry much weight.
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Am I the only person who thinks that, if Harry were to propose, Chelsy would jump at it?

If she really wanted to focus exclusively on her career, I think she'd have done her training in South Africa. She is known to prefer the lifestyle there, so why remain in London, if not because she isn't ready to give up on Harry?

But I think Harry is wary, and I suspect the RF is more wary!
There was all that negative publicity about her father, and pictures of her generally show her stumbling out of clubs and parties looking the worse for wear.

If he marries her, get ready for Fergie part 2.
Being qualified to practice law in England and Wales doesn't necessarily mean that you can't practice elsewhere. Quite often, particularly in the Far East, major multi-nationals choose to conduct their legal transactions using English law as the governing law, so there's strong demand for solicitors qualified in England.

Other common law countries, such as Australia, actually allow English qualified lawyers to work there without requalifying, although if you want to requalify it's pretty easy and straight forward. It wouldn't surprise me if South Africa was the same.

When the big firms take on trainees they're more or less thrown in the deep end from the start. I have an old school friend who started with one of the 'second tier' law firms in London. She started on a high salary but she was working 18 hour days, sleeping in her office, working weekends etc. In her first few months she was working on the multimillion pound acquisition of a medium sized supermarket chain by one of the 3 big British supermarkets. They don't ease you in.
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When the big firms take on trainees they're more or less thrown in the deep end from the start. I have an old school friend who started with one of the 'second tier' law firms in London. She started on a high salary but she was working 18 hour days, sleeping in her office, working weekends etc. In her first few months she was working on the multimillion pound acquisition of a medium sized supermarket chain by one of the 3 big British supermarkets. They don't ease you in.
That doesn't seem to be the case with Chelsy; it seems she has plenty of time to go clubbing, etc.
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How many pictures of Chelsy clubbing have you seen lately? I have seen her out with her friends only handful of times - and any person of her age, no matter what job they hold, can say exactly the same thing. Just because she is a lawyer doesn't mean she cannot have a life.
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Prince Carl Philip's ex-girlfriend Emma Pernald and Tomas Jonson have got engaged. Emma's mother acknowledged the news to Aftonbladet. Emma has shown her ring to her friend and told that Tomas had proposed. The couple will have their first child in the autumn.
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