The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #541  
Old 05-07-2012, 05:53 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,283
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenora View Post
Sorry, but I don't find Chelsy " too smart" for BRF, nor very successfull lawyer to be. The only material that I've read about her on papers was about her rich background and wild parties, and actually no concrete career or other achievements, like running a charity project etc.
To study law at the University of Leeds, you have to be smart. She's interned at two of the biggest firms in the country, for that you also have to be smart. Albeit I don't think IluvBertie was referring to the fact that Chelsy is extremely book smart. She's savvy, knows what she wants in life and won't let anyone stop her having it. Unlike Catherine who's the complete opposite, she was at William's beck and call for the years prior to their engagement and gave up all notion of her own life to marry him. Chelsy knows what she'll have to give up and realises she doesn't want to, that's smart.

Also, why does Chelsy have to run a charity project? What's that got to do with being a lawyer? Or even a future royal?
__________________

__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #542  
Old 05-07-2012, 09:39 AM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,420
I agree with Lumutqueen; Chelsy got a Master's Degree that cannot be considered light by any criteria, and is an intern at Allen & Overy - one of the Magic Circle law firms. That sounds pretty smart to me. I also understand her misgivings; however wonderful young man Harry may be, marrying him will essentially mean burying all chances of having a career, and becoming something a ribbon-cutting trophy wife. I would feel very hesitant in Chelsy's shoes as well.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #543  
Old 05-07-2012, 11:02 AM
Dierna23's Avatar
Heir Apparent
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: -, Germany
Posts: 3,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenora View Post
...actually no concrete career or other achievements...
No concrete career or other achievements? She studied law at one of the best universities of England and she is now working for one of the best law firms in England. Also, Chelsy indeed supports several charities, her brother does as well. Has Kate ever done such things pre-engagement? Apart from that roller disco thing of course. What career did she have, what achievements and which charity projects did she run? Yes, Chelsy and Harry have been partying quite a bit as have William and Kate. I'm sorry for the comparisions, but it often seems to me, that, now that Kate is a Duchess, all the criticism is forgotten (and brushed under the carpet by the press) and Kate and Will are the golden couple while Harry and Chelsy are the wild & lazy party bunch (which is absolutely NOT true).

I think Chelsy would be a wonderful addition to the BRF as she clearly has a work ethic and seems to be easy at interacting with people etc. I just don't think she would enjoy the nonstop attention which is understandable.

I don't believe Harry and Chelsy are back together, but I wouldn't be unhappy if they were.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #544  
Old 05-07-2012, 11:05 AM
miche's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: N/A, United States
Posts: 572
I am so sick of this comparison. But anyway what charities was that?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #545  
Old 05-07-2012, 11:15 AM
cepe's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,840
A couple of points: There is an assumption that Harry will become a full-time working royal. I think there's a v good chance he won't but stay in the military. So Chelsy won't have to do royal duties, maybe (here's a first) she could work (sorry mods).

2nd point - isn't this thread for ex-partners?
__________________

This precious stone set in the silver sea,......
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
Reply With Quote
  #546  
Old 05-07-2012, 11:55 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 2,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyger View Post
Perhaps Harry and Chelsey - if they marry - will forgo a title, as someone mentioned. Since the generation after Charles seems to have a rather unique anti-royal-lifestyle bias - all that emphasis on wanting to be 'normal' (whatever that is suppose to mean) - may mean that the monarchy seriously undergoes an alteration with the ascent of William to the throne a few decades down the line. Harry and his wife, and what they do or do not do, may hardly be of consequence.

But they mean rich and titled
Quote:
normal
.

Not ordinary normal!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #547  
Old 05-07-2012, 12:01 PM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,420
Quote:
Originally Posted by cepe View Post
A couple of points: There is an assumption that Harry will become a full-time working royal. I think there's a v good chance he won't but stay in the military. So Chelsy won't have to do royal duties, maybe (here's a first) she could work (sorry mods).
I think the chances Harry will not be a full-time working royal are very slim. Once Prince Charles ascends to the Throne, it is virtually inevitable Harry will have to leave his Army career and focus on Royal duties. Most of the current hardest-working royals are pretty advanced in years; it will be up to William, Kate, Harry and his future wife to gradually take the burden of duties from them.
Reply With Quote
  #548  
Old 05-07-2012, 12:26 PM
cepe's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,840
Not if the monarchy changes - less events; less countries to visit (ie not monarch of countries such as Australia). The patronages carried out by some of the older royals will cease when they do. It's not affordable.
This is the wrong thread for this discussion
__________________

This precious stone set in the silver sea,......
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
Reply With Quote
  #549  
Old 05-07-2012, 12:29 PM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,420
I suppose major chances might mean a situation similar to Sweden: the heir (Victoria in Sweden, William in the UK) is a full-time working royals, while the spares (Carl Philip and Madeleine in Sweden, Harry and Beatrice in the UK) are working royals but with more flexibility and less engagements.
This is indeed a topic for a different thread; I do tend to go off topic sometimes.
Reply With Quote
  #550  
Old 05-07-2012, 01:24 PM
soapstar's Avatar
Super Moderator
Picture of the Week Coordinator
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Hermosa Beach (CA), United States
Posts: 1,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
I think Harry would marry her tomorrow but she knows what she would have to give up - career, privacy, a life etc and isn't prepared to give up the right to make choices about her own life - to have things organised for her months in advance - to lose the spontaneity she has now.

Chelsy is way too smart for Harry and for the BRF - they wouldn't now how to deal with her.
If (and that's a big if) Chelsy and Harry are dating again, then she's obviously coming to terms with the fact that she will have to give up her career/life if she wants to marry him. I mean, what's the point of constantly getting back together if you don't see some type of future with that person?

Quote:
Originally Posted by miche View Post
I am so sick of this comparison. But anyway what charities was that?
I agree. I don't know why Kate and Chelsy are constantly compared. This desire to prove one woman is better than the other is really sad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dierna23 View Post
Has Kate ever done such things pre-engagement? Apart from that roller disco thing of course. What career did she have, what achievements and which charity projects did she run?
Besides the roller disco, Kate was involved with a quite few charities before the marriage.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #551  
Old 05-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,283
Quote:
Originally Posted by cepe View Post
2nd point - isn't this thread for ex-partners?
It is, and Chelsy is an ex partner.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #552  
Old 05-07-2012, 02:30 PM
EIIR's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Somewhere, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,621
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dierna23 View Post
Has Kate ever done such things pre-engagement? Apart from that roller disco thing of course. What career did she have, what achievements and which charity projects did she run?
Kate took a gap year after school during which she was involved with helping disadvantaged children in Chile. She also taught English in some of the local schools. While working for her family's company she was responsible for their charity tie ups, and was instrumental in building the firm's relationship with the Children's Starlight Foundation which involved putting on parties for children in hospices. We saw many pictures over the years of Kate attending charity fundraisers, the charity boxing matches come to mind. She took part in a fashion show for charity at university, even going so far as to wear a see through dress to pull in the paying punters! She was a member of The Sisterhood and did a lot of training to row across the Channel with them, but had to pull out due to the intrusive media attention. No, she wasn't running the NSPCC, but to say she did nothing for charity other that a roller disco is very unfair.

In terms of career, Kate got a good degree at a very good university. She then worked for her parents' business. From my experience in business banking I can tell you lots and lots of people work in family firms, in fact both Kate's siblings still do! No one has produced any evidence to suggest that she wasn't genuinely working for Party Pieces, it probably offered her a bit more flexibility in being able to see the man she loves who was away for long stretches training in the Army, but the fact that she chose to work for the family business isn't something to be ashamed of in my opinion. Although there are lots of people who look down on her for it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #553  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:00 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 3,110
Yep, Kate's degree is from the 85th most revered uni in the world.(Not being harpy, just adding to information.) However, St. Andrews is #1 in Scotland and #5 in the UK.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #554  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:24 PM
EIIR's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Somewhere, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,621
According to the most recent league tables, St. Andrews is number 6 on the list of best universities in the UK. It's below only Cambridge, London School of Economics, Oxford, Imperial College London and Durham. Those are all world-class universities. I think it's also a Russell Group university, which would be the UK equivalent to the Ivy League in the US.

By way of comparison, Leeds University where Chelsy did her conversion course, ranks at number 34 in the UK.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #555  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:28 PM
Al_bina's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: City, Kazakhstan
Posts: 5,992
The university ranking is somewhat irrelevant, if Ms. Davy landed the internship in the prestigious law firm. It would be fair to say that Russell Group universities have got a fair share of students, who were admitted because of bribes and/or society status.
__________________
"I never did mind about the little things"
Amanda, "Point of No Return"
Reply With Quote
  #556  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:38 PM
EIIR's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Somewhere, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,621
It's not irrelevant. St. Andrews is more difficult to get into than Leeds. At my grammar school St.Andrews was one of the most popular universities for applications because of its reputation as an excellent uni. I don't think anyone at my school applied for Leeds.

Ms Davy did get her internship, the first of which was with Farrer & Co, well known in the UK as the lawyers to the Royal Family. You can make your own mind up as to whether that was a coincidence. She doesn't appear to have been offered a permanent contract with Farrer & Co so she took another year off and then got Allen & Overy who, interestingly enough, have also been used by the royals occasionally.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #557  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:41 PM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,283
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al_bina View Post
It would be fair to say that Russell Group universities have got a fair share of students, who were admitted because of bribes and/or society status.
It would not be fair to say. Universities pride themselves on scores, someone who doesn't make the grade isn't going to enter a Russell Group university. The Russell Group contains 24 universities as of this August, Leeds is a member and St Andrews is not.

Leeds ranked 85th in 2010, in 2011 it ranks 93rd out of 700 universities worldwide.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #558  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:46 PM
Al_bina's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: City, Kazakhstan
Posts: 5,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by EIIR View Post
It's not irrelevant. St. Andrews is more difficult to get into than Leeds. At my grammar school St.Andrews was one of the most popular universities for applications because of its reputation as an excellent uni. I don't think anyone at my school applied for Leeds.

Ms Davy did get her internship, the first of which was with Farrer & Co, well known in the UK as the lawyers to the Royal Family. You can make your own mind up as to whether that was a coincidence. She doesn't appear to have been offered a permanent contract with Farrer & Co so she took another year off and then got Allen & Overy who, interestingly enough, have also been used by the royals occasionally.
Are you trying to say that the law firms in question were strongly urged to give a preference to Ms.Davy from a cheap university? Who urged the law firms to do so?
__________________
"I never did mind about the little things"
Amanda, "Point of No Return"
Reply With Quote
  #559  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:47 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 3,110
I think it is fair to say that Ivy League/Russel schools have a fair amount of "legacy" students. However, legacies still have to make the grade for entrance, and those who do make the grade are enrolled before general applicants.

There are some very fine universities out there who have excellent faculty. Quality education does not = money spent. I have heard many times how smart Chelsy is, and big law firms visit not only high-powered schools, but also those schools who may have an excellent Law program, even though the rest of the majors seem lacking.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #560  
Old 05-07-2012, 03:51 PM
EIIR's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Somewhere, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,621
It's weird that St. Andrews hasn't chosen to join the Russell Group. My old university is a member and it's not as high in the rankings as St. Andrews.

In the UK the application system is pretty fair. You apply before you sit your final exams, the universities will either reject you or offer you a place with the proviso that you have to achieve certain grades in your exams. So I had to get AAB in my A Levels to get into my uni; had I got ABB I would not have got in, no matter who I was.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Andrea Casiraghi - Astrology montecarlo Princess Caroline and Family 10 10-20-2011 02:32 PM




Popular Tags
belgium brussels carl philip charlene crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events death duchess of cambridge fashion grand duchess maria teresa hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jordan king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander letizia luxembourg nobility official visit ottoman poland president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince daniel prince floris prince henrik prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess ariane princess astrid princess beatrix princess charlene princess claire princess haya princess margriet princess mary princess of asturias queen fabiola queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia queen sonja royal royal fashion sofia hellqvist spain state visit stockholm sweden the hague visit wedding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:04 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2015
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]