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Old 02-01-2016, 09:42 AM
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If her mother hadn't married 'beneath her station' to a man from the trades who knows the course of history ....I think that probably happened more than people realize even back then.


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Old 02-01-2016, 11:37 AM
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Anne may not have been royalty but she was highly connected, and aristocratic maternally. Her father may have only been made an Earl after Anne hooked up with the king, but his father was a knight of the bath by Richard III and high sheriff, and his grandfather was Lord mayor of London. His mother was Lady Margaret Butler, the daughter of the Earl of Ormond. She was co-heiress to her father's fortune, outside of Ireland where a male cousin inherited, and the land and money Mary Boleyn and her husband William inherited after the death of her parents, came from her. Of course Anne's mother was the daughter of the Duke of Norfolk.

Henry VIII may not have married princesses as was expected, with the exception of Katherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves, but his wives were all well-connected and most at least partially aristocratic (maternal side). Katherine Howard was of course Anne's cousin, and artistocratic on her dad's side. Edmund Howard was very poor (Elizabeth Boleyn's brother) and left her in the care of his stepmother, the dowager duchess of Norfolk. Jane Seymour is actually related to them as well. Her father was gentry, knighted for service to Henry VII an VIII but her mother was first cousins with Elizabeth Boleyn and Edmund Howard. Margery, Elizabeth and Edmund were all the grandchildren of Elizabeth Chenney. Elizabeth was married twice. Her only child from her first husband was a daughter who married the Duke of Norfolk and was mother to Elizabeth and Edmund. Wit her second husband she had 7 kids. It was her daughter Anne from this marriage who was mother to Jane's mother Margery.

Katherine Parr was of the wealthy landed gentry. Her father was a knight and lord of the manor. Her mother Maude was an heiress, and was connected with Catherine of Aragon. After the death of her second husband Baron Latimer, Lady Latimer (Katherine) used her mother's connections to gain a place in the household of Lady Mary, where she caught the king's eye.

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Old 02-09-2016, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pranter View Post
Anne Boleyn was not royal either...that's going way back.
There was also the commoner Anne Hyde, mother of two queens (Mary and Anne). Her father got a title, but it was after her marriage to the future James II.
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Old 07-25-2017, 02:04 PM
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Marriage is about a contract between two persons to be wed. All have their problems but marriage with love and monetary privilege is always a blessing. The key is that the two people work at it so they get what they want out of it. When bloodline is an issue there are ways to get the match you want in most cases. If not children can be planned in advance. The thing most important is financial stability in this unchanging world. Perhaps marriage should be more about compatible monetary policy and work schedules. When in doubt order you spouse with at least as much thought as your dinner or sandwich.
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Old 07-25-2017, 03:10 PM
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Unchanging world? I'm not srue what you mean but this world is very much changing...

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