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Old 02-21-2016, 03:08 PM
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I found ORIGINAL Old Royal Photos, HELP!!!

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I have no idea where else to ask for help with this, so I figure you are all experts here and might give me some advice.

I was helping a distant relative clear out an estate and was given a bunch of stuff, one of which was an old photo album. Inside it I was surprised to discover a page of original photographs of King George VI, Queen Elizabeth (later to become the Queen Mother), Princess Elizabeth, etc.

I have very limited knowledge of royal artifacts but was able to find out that these photos were taken in 1951 at the Braemar Highland Gathering in Aberdeenshire.

The photos I have are similar (same vantage point) but definitely not the same as the press photos that are owned by Getty Images from the same event. I would venture to say that they were taken by the same photographer and that they were perhaps not chosen by Getty to be the chosen images to publish.

I have a total of 8 different photographs that I cannot find on any other site after an exhaustive search. They are all very good close up shots, the most interesting one to me is the close up of the then Princess Elizabeth's face through the car window alongside her parents.

I have attached the photos in this post.

Could anyone help or guide me where to go from here, to see if these have any value or if you have any other information? Many thanks
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:41 PM
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Well, there is a market for photos of royals but before you offer them on eBay or anything perhaps you should check to see if they still are the photographer's property or the property of Getty Images!

Having ascertained that, if they aren't then I suppose you can always contact somewhere like Antiques Road Show to find out if they are worth anything and include a photo of the photographs concerned. Is there an Antiques Road Show (or something similar) in Canada? If not then the British one helps with enquiries I believe.
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:48 PM
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Thank you, yes I will check with Antiques Road Show as well as Getty Images!
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Old 02-21-2016, 04:16 PM
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I don't know about Canada, but here in New Zealand copyright lasts for 50 years AFTER the death of the copyright holder, who in this case would be the photographer.

Great pics, but i would think the one of the princess in the car with her parents is Princess Margaret.
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Old 02-21-2016, 04:30 PM
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I do believe you are correct about i being Princess Margaret, shows how much I know! I contacted Getty to see if they are copyright holders for these. Antiques Roadshow didn't have a forum and they don't do online appraisals/advice.

If Getty doesn't own them, then I don't have a clue how to go about finding the photographer? There is no indication of who it is. Still, could I not sell them on ebay or somewhere even if they are still the copyright of the photographer? I
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:16 PM
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I do believe you are correct about i being Princess Margaret, shows how much I know! I contacted Getty to see if they are copyright holders for these. Antiques Roadshow didn't have a forum and they don't do online appraisals/advice.

If Getty doesn't own them, then I don't have a clue how to go about finding the photographer? There is no indication of who it is. Still, could I not sell them on ebay or somewhere even if they are still the copyright of the photographer? I
In the US, for sure, if you own the print (and you do), you may sell it. Why do you not assume a family member or friend took these? Looking at them, that would be my guess.

I know members of the forums would liked to see a scanned version of these (even if only one or two). Hint, hint. You could restrict sharing as you hold the copy rite to the copy of the photos.
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I guess a family member could have taken these but they would have been on the "inside" to get photos this close. The vantage point of these pics isn't a regular far away tourist in the crowd type photo. I will have to see if I can find any more info within the family. I will try to get clearer pics of each to share.
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:00 PM
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Looks like the Braemar Games in Scotland. 1951? Nice find!
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:09 PM
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Have a look at this YouTube



Shows the party arriving in the same car, with Margaret sitting in front of the King and Queen.
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:27 PM
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Yes, definitely from the Braemar 1951 gathering - that's all I could find about them. Now I just wish I knew who took them and if they are unpublished and if there is still a copyright (and of course some idea of value would be nice!!)
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:35 PM
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I would argue that those are private, family snaps. I believe one could get much closer to nearly all public figures in those days. Especially at such an informal event. A clue to ownership would be if you came across the negatives. Then you would know they were owned by the estate.
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I hope they are private family pics! Unfortunately all other albums and any envelopes that would have contained negatives were thrown away :-(
In one photo - the one on the second row on left - you can see a large crowd gathered and held back away from the royal family. That's why I think these were taken by some official inside photographer. The style and vantage point of the photos are also very similar to the Getty photos taken at the same event. Here is a Getty copyrighted photo that I found. Looks so similar to the third photo I posted above.
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:48 PM
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how exciting! i always liked 'treasure' stories and detective stories, so it's always fun to read about nice rare finds :)
i hope you can get to know who took them. maybe the person owning the state was someone who was originally from around braemar and was there as part of the public and took the pictures? in those days, a visiting royal event would have been a once in a lifetime opportunity, so i guess people took pictures of it which they treasured forever.
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:53 PM
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Just to show the comparison between the Getty photo and my photo.

The first one is my photo (it is actually clear and crisp, just a bad "photo of the photo"!)
The second one is the Getty copyright photo.
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Thank you for sharing these! I don't have advice but I enjoyed looking at them


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Old 02-21-2016, 10:20 PM
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I also haven't got any advice to offer, but wanted to thank you for sharing them w/us. :)

In two of the pictures, you can see a little boy. In the one, it's a full on clear picture of his face and looks to me to be the late Prince William of Gloucester. The second photo though...Combine distance and the angle he's standing at, I can't tell if it's him or someone else.

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Old 02-22-2016, 12:36 AM
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It looks like the boy is standing next to the Duke of Edinburgh so I would think he would be Prince Charles
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:02 AM
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I wouldn't sell them on eBay, If your set on selling them I would go through the right people and company so your not cheated and the pictures go to someone who will care about them and take care of them. You found a rare treasure, If your planning on keeping them it's a good idea to insure them.
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I don't know whether you live near a large city but there are antique dealers that specialise in postcards, photographs and other ephemera. If you could get in to see one they would give you some idea of what the photos are worth. (Telephone book/online sites)

Sorry that you didn't have any luck with Antique Road Show. I have known someone years ago who got good advice from them but he wrote to them enclosing a photo and that might be a long process
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Old 02-26-2016, 08:14 PM
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It looks like the boy is standing next to the Duke of Edinburgh so I would think he would be Prince Charles
Prince Charles turned three years of age in November 1951, so it's not him in that photo.
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