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Old 10-27-2005, 04:26 PM
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Gay Kings and Queens

In the Prince William forum, we have been discussing what would be the public reaction if William was to declare that he is in fact homosexual. If he said, "Well - Kate's just a friend and we tried to cover up but I don't want to so I'll be your first openly gay King" - what would you say? Would it affect his ability to rule?

This isn't a new thing of course - Prince George, Duke of Kent was well known for his relationship with Noel Coward and there have been many gay Kings over the past.

How would society take it and how would the reign be affected by the revelation?
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:32 PM
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Well if he were openly gay, I think there would be a problem. But as long as he married a nice girl and had a son to inherit the throne, I don't think people would mind if he decided to follow his natural inclinations (of course as long as he conducted himself with discretion) The girl might mind though.

The problem with Edward II is that kings of England had real power, it was the Middle ages, and he did not conduct himself with discretion.
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:32 PM
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Great, beatrixfan!
Thanks for opening this thread; it's an interesting topic.

I read Amanda Foreman's biography of Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, who was a close friend of Marie Antoinette of France. Foreman claims that in the 18th century, there was a highly charged erotic atmosphere among the women at the French court, including kissing and tearful hugs among the queen and her favourites. Foreman says that this atmosphere was not necessarily regarded as "lesbian", but simply as "feminine".
I'll try to dig up some more information.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:04 PM
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I read a book on Royal Scandals and it claimed that Queen Anne had a lesbian affair with Lady Churchill I think it was.
I suppose her husband, Prince George, was only there to help produce an heir - he failed.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:04 PM
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BeatrixFan...you must be reading my mind...I thought about the same question while reading a thread about Princess Christina's son.

In this day and age...I would imagine it would be very hard to be gay and a heir to the throne if for no other reason that how would you provide an heir? In vitro? Are you honest with your wife....I am gay, and I care about you but I need to provide an heir! Also, the ramfications within the church would be a problem.

Also, these are just my general thoughts..not trying to come across as homophobic or anything.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:06 PM
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I don't think an openly gay crown prince or king would be able to marry; it'd be seen as a marriage of convenience like Charles's, and the notion of a wife who acts as a hired uterus and is compensated with a cushy lifestyle and some children while the king goes off with his lover (of whatever sex) is going to be a hard sell in the future. As far as younger brothers, I don't see a problem with an openly gay lifestyle; it's better than secrecy and media speculation.

It'd be interesting to see if the public would accept a gay monarch, knowing that he wouldn't have children to inherit, or if there'd be pressure for the non-gay sibling who was the parent of the heir presumptive to take over.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:07 PM
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The problem with Edward II is that kings of England had real power, it was the Middle ages, and he did not conduct himself with discretion.
If we had a prize for understatement of the month, I think the above would be a clear winner!
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:08 PM
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that how would you provide an heir?
I'm not convinced that this would be THE big problem. Just imagine that Princess Victoria turns out to be infertile or just doesn't get married. Her brother and sister's children would be next in line to the throne, and the problem would be solved neatly. The same could be done in the case of a gay king.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:09 PM
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I think the acceptance of a gay King could be possible in about 30 years.
The public just isn't ready for it yet IMO.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:10 PM
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In the Prince William forum, we have been discussing what would be the public reaction if William was to declare that he is in fact homosexual. If he said, "Well - Kate's just a friend and we tried to cover up but I don't want to so I'll be your first openly gay King" - what would you say? Would it affect his ability to rule?

This isn't a new thing of course - Prince George, Duke of Kent was well known for his relationship with Noel Coward and there have been many gay Kings over the past.

How would society take it and how would the reign be affected by the revelation?
Well, he certainly wouldn't be the first or last major figure to be gay, so I doubt in today's globalized and more sophisticated society, anyone would be shocked to learn of it. However, whether the conservative elements of British society, including devout Anglicians, would accept a Head of the Church of England as a gay man is highly doubtful.

My guess is William would follow the dictates of his world and marry an appropriate woman to produce an heir. If he had something going on the side with a man, that would be OK provided there was no public disclosure about it and his Consort accepted the marriage as part of her duty. Whether this is realistic in a modern society is another matter altogether.

The reign would become clouded under the public disclosure, but he probably could go on eventually.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:11 PM
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I'm not convinced that this would be THE big problem. Just imagine that Princess Victoria turns out to be infertile or just doesn't get married. Her brother and sister's children would be next in line to the throne, and the problem would be solved neatly. The same could be done in the case of a gay king.
True...as long there are other heirs in the line of succession. then providing the heir would not be a big deal. But I guess the bigger question is....would be the public be open to a gay heir. And I don't think they will.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:17 PM
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I once read that King Gutav adolf of Sweden was homosexual but as he was married twice I don't know if that is true. Also, when Norway became independent the throne was to be offered to Prince Waldemar of Denmark (uncle of Prince Carl who was to become King Haakon) but it was discovered that he was in an incestuous relationship with one of his own nephews (a Greek prince).
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It's possible that there is a constitutional clause which prevents an openly gay monarch from taking the throne.
I am not too clear on the 1701 Act of Settlement but did it not declare that the Monarch would have to be protestant? Or was it just anti Catholic? If he or she were openly gay, could the church not reject them stripping them of protestant credentials needed to succeed?
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:20 PM
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It's possible that there is a constitutional clause which prevents an openly gay monarch from taking the throne.
I am not too clear on the 1701 Act of Settlement but did it not declare that the Monarch would have to be protestant? Or was it just anti Catholic? If he or she were openly gay, could the church not reject them stripping them of protestant credentials needed to succeed?
That's an interesting questions. As far as I know, at least the Catholic church hasn't excommunicated anybody for being gay. (Even though they think it's unnatural and an illness). I don't know about protestants.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:26 PM
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I once read that King Gutav adolf of Sweden was homoexual but as he was married twice I don't know if that is true. Also, when Norway became independent the throne was to be offered to Prince Waldemar of Denmark (uncle of Prince Carl who was to become King Haakon) but it was discovered that he was in an incestuous relationship with one of his own nephews (a Greek prince).
Waldemar was in a lifetime relationship with his nephew, HRH Prince George of Greece and Denmark, son of the former Prince Wilhelm of Denmark who became King George I of the Hellenes. George married HIH Princess Marie Bonaparte, a very wealthy heiress who owned a large share of the casino in Monaco. She had affairs throughout their marriage as well.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:29 PM
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It's possible that there is a constitutional clause which prevents an openly gay monarch from taking the throne.
I am not too clear on the 1701 Act of Settlement but did it not declare that the Monarch would have to be protestant? Or was it just anti Catholic? If he or she were openly gay, could the church not reject them stripping them of protestant credentials needed to succeed?
I don't think there is any legal standing to remove someone from the line of succession for being gay. Certainly not in the Act of Settlement. More likely, it would be another Edward VIII situation where the Prime Minister and the Archbishop of Canterbury would advise the King to abdicate for the sake of the nation. However, the Prime Minister would have to be sure the Cabinet and Parliamentary Council would support a resignation of the Government if the King did not accept the advice.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:33 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, there was a recent hate campaign against the Swedish Royals.
The King was accused of being homosexual as was his immediate family. It was the work of a hugely homophobic site connected to some extreme church.

I linked to the site out of interest and it was vulgar. Its hopefully the last time I will come across such an ill minded site.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:39 PM
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Prince Carl-Philip was thought to be gay but it seems he's been adopted as a bit of a hunl by the Swedish Gay Community. Queen Silvia said that he was flattered by the attention.
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In the progressive Scandinavian monarchies, I think the people would accept an openly gay sovereign. Possibly it would be OK in the Netherlands too. I doubt it would be accepted in Spain or Monaco (even though rumors about Prince Albert have been around for years).

Crown Prince Fredrik of Denmark has many gay friends and has always been very supportive of the gay community.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:53 PM
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Crown Prince Fredrik of Denmark has many gay friends and has always been very supportive of the gay community.
So has Haakoon of Norway. And didn't Mette-Marit actually hold a speech about the rights and problems of gay people?
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