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Old 10-29-2005, 11:13 PM
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Yes, this is a fairly frank thread, but it is an adult discussion, and the Forums are broad enough to accommodate it. An alternative to Charlotte Casiraghi's favourite handbag (if you know what I mean). If a member who is likely to be offended by the content investigates this thread, it is easy enough for them to click on the 'Back' or 'Home' buttons and get out fast.
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Old 10-29-2005, 11:35 PM
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Unsubstantiated gossip. With a mother like Princess Michael and a grandfather like Prince George, I'm not suprised that Freddie is gay.
Is He??????
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Old 10-30-2005, 01:39 AM
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I Think ive heard the rumor about Lord Frederick Windsor
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Old 10-30-2005, 01:49 AM
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I Think ive heard the rumor about Lord Frederick Windsor
Yes, it's RUMOUR only, and follows in the long line of "if he's cute he must be gay" tittletattle. Before Prince Michael of Kent married, the same was "rumoured" about him. Prince Edward ditto. This tendency to claim and label people is one of the more negative and pointless aspects of Gay Gossip.
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Old 10-30-2005, 02:02 AM
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Yes, it's RUMOUR only, and follows in the long line of "if he's cute he must be gay" tittletattle. Before Prince Michael of Kent married, the same was "rumoured" about him. Prince Edward ditto. This tendency to claim and label people is one of the more negative and pointless aspects of Gay Gossip.
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Very true. I (like everyone else) does not know if infact Lord Freddie is gay or indeed any other person suspected of being gay, but by the look of his profile picture in Wikipedia I think one can safely say he is quite the "indavidual" aristocrat.lol.

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Old 10-30-2005, 02:29 AM
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And unless there is 100% proof, and I mean Lord Freddie coming out and saying it himself, which I sincerely doubt is the case, given his track record with the ladies, we should not speculate.

Warren hit an excellent point....if you are well-groomed, handsome, in shape, and dress well..people just like to assume and makeup stories for their own satisfaction.
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Old 10-30-2005, 02:31 AM
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Yes, this is a fairly frank thread, but it is an adult discussion, and the Forums are broad enough to accommodate it. An alternative to Charlotte Casiraghi's favourite handbag (if you know what I mean). If a member who is likely to be offended by the content investigates this thread, it is easy enough for them to click on the 'Back' or 'Home' buttons and get out fast.
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You do have an intriguing way with words, Warren...I love it...thank you for the laugh. :)

I can handle it though. I do like the honesty on here..helps people keep things in perspective.
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Old 10-30-2005, 03:43 AM
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I Think ive heard the rumor about Lord Frederick Windsor
i think we all have at one point or another.
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Old 10-30-2005, 07:04 PM
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Re:

Wikipedia has Frederick down as 'out' and it seemed he was, posing for a gay magazine etc. I suppose that, added to his position on the board of G-A-Y confirmed it in the opinion of those who wrote the article.
Speculation: I think its taken that he is but that he's going to officially remain in the closet.
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:31 PM
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Unless he proclaims it himself, it is not in the best interest to speculate. If he is gay friendly, then more power to him. There are many men comfortable in their sexuality to pose on the cover of gay magazines and I think that is wonderful. It does not mean one is gay or not gay. It can show that anyone's sexuality is acceptable, which is a great way to go.
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:49 PM
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What do we know about
Ernst of Hesse
Grand Duke Sergei of Russia
any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:09 PM
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Unless he proclaims it himself, it is not in the best interest to speculate. If he is gay friendly, then more power to him. There are many men comfortable in their sexuality to pose on the cover of gay magazines and I think that is wonderful. It does not mean one is gay or not gay. It can show that anyone's sexuality is acceptable, which is a great way to go.
Indeed lady M,

I know many gay friendly guys, and some are very good friends of mine. If he is or if he is'nt, who cares. As long as his comfortable with being who he is thats all that matters.

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Old 10-30-2005, 11:19 PM
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What do we know about
Ernst of Hesse
Grand Duke Sergei of Russia
any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York
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This is ridiculous
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Old 10-31-2005, 12:27 AM
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See...one is mentioned as a possibility and then everyone is drawn in the fold...Prince Andrew is not gay...
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Old 10-31-2005, 11:27 AM
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any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York
So what do he do with all those ladies who go in and out his home? Do they spend the night discussing the latest fashion week?
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A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.
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Old 10-31-2005, 11:51 AM
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WOW Thats interesting about Sergei
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:37 PM
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So what do he do with all those ladies who go in and out his home? Do they spend the night discussing the latest fashion week? A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.
I read a biography on Sergei's wife Ella and the book basically said that Ella waited for her wedding night that never came. He never mistreated her but he certainly never touched her. It also spoke of some cruelty that Sergei endured from family members as a child and how Ella had managed to reach out to him in a tender moment at a very young age. This seems to be one of the reasons why he asked for her hand in marraige. There were several attempts on his part throughout the marraige where he was looking for something emotional from her but never anything sexual. I think he had a challenging emotional upbrining, the impression that I recieved was that he was never very loved by his immediate family. Poor Ella, she was deceived. She came into the marraige believing that she would love and be loved, eventually have her own family and children but none of that came to pass. In this day and age you could get an anullment on those grounds but back then I guess that would have been scandolous. After he died Ella became a nun so she may have never had sexual relations.
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:26 PM
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Now this is one risky and slanderous thread. And to think I got a post removed for being too crude on Camilla.
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:53 PM
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Queen Christina of Sweeden was known to be a cross dresser and had a taste for Females if I remember correctly
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Old 10-31-2005, 09:13 PM
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She ate them? :p

I think gayness is a word that does not carry back with the same effect prior to gay rights in the 60's. In olden times men and women would get together and moved on with their other lives as husbands or wives. I remember reading that the Sultan of the Ottomans, Suleiman used to have his partner around always and that did not prevent him from reproducing with the Harem.

And in this century, the ambiguity in taste was normal before the Mae West scandals that prompted censorship and were the basis for the 1950's extremes of the McCarthy era. It was common knowledge that Garbo liked men and women, that her main rival was Dietrich who competed with her for the same women, and so on.

So, there were not exactly gay by today's standards and labels, just people who loved a varied menu.
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