Gay Royalty

[Lady Marmalade]

And unless there is 100% proof, and I mean Lord Freddie coming out and saying it himself, which I sincerely doubt is the case, given his track record with the ladies, we should not speculate.

Warren hit an excellent point....if you are well-groomed, handsome, in shape, and dress well..people just like to assume and makeup stories for their own satisfaction.

[Lady Marmalade]

Unless he proclaims it himself, it is not in the best interest to speculate. If he is gay friendly, then more power to him. There are many men comfortable in their sexuality to pose on the cover of gay magazines and I think that is wonderful. It does not mean one is gay or not gay. It can show that anyone's sexuality is acceptable, which is a great way to go.

[Margrethe II]

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

Unless he proclaims it himself, it is not in the best interest to speculate. If he is gay friendly, then more power to him. There are many men comfortable in their sexuality to pose on the cover of gay magazines and I think that is wonderful. It does not mean one is gay or not gay. It can show that anyone's sexuality is acceptable, which is a great way to go.

Indeed lady M,

I know many gay friendly guys, and some are very good friends of mine. If he is or if he is'nt, who cares. As long as his comfortable with being who he is thats all that matters.

"MII"

[Royal Fan]

What do we know about
Ernst of Hesse
Grand Duke Sergei of Russia
any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Royal Fan

What do we know about
Ernst of Hesse
Grand Duke Sergei of Russia
any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York

Yes
Yes
This is ridiculous

[Idriel]

Originally Posted by Royal Fan

any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York

So what do he do with all those ladies who go in and out his home? Do they spend the night discussing the latest fashion week?

Grand Duke Sergei of Russia

A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.

[lashinka2002]

Originally Posted by Idriel

So what do he do with all those ladies who go in and out his home? Do they spend the night discussing the latest fashion week? A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.

I read a biography on Sergei's wife Ella and the book basically said that Ella waited for her wedding night that never came. He never mistreated her but he certainly never touched her. It also spoke of some cruelty that Sergei endured from family members as a child and how Ella had managed to reach out to him in a tender moment at a very young age. This seems to be one of the reasons why he asked for her hand in marraige. There were several attempts on his part throughout the marraige where he was looking for something emotional from her but never anything sexual. I think he had a challenging emotional upbrining, the impression that I recieved was that he was never very loved by his immediate family. Poor Ella, she was deceived. She came into the marraige believing that she would love and be loved, eventually have her own family and children but none of that came to pass. In this day and age you could get an anullment on those grounds but back then I guess that would have been scandolous. After he died Ella became a nun so she may have never had sexual relations.

[Toledo]

Now this is one risky and slanderous thread. And to think I got a post removed for being too crude on Camilla.

[Queen Astrid]

Queen Christina of Sweeden was known to be a cross dresser and had a taste for Females if I remember correctly

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by lashinka2002

In this day and age you could get an anullment on those grounds but back then I guess that would have been scandolous. After he died Ella became a nun so she may have never had sexual relations.

It didn't stop Ducky from divorcing Ernst-Ludwig of Hessen-Darmtadt (although they had intercourse, he still was gay).

What about present day royalty? Isn't one of Alexander of Yougoslavia and Maria-Pia (who is now married to Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma) sons gay, the one who is a jeweller? But these rumours stay rumours of course, an Austrian Archduke (brother of Sophie of Windisch-Graetz and grandson of Helena of Toerring-Jettenbach, sister of Marina of Kent and Olga of Greece) was supposed to be gay but recently married an Iraqi woman. It is interesting to note how the 3 greek sisters all 'produced' one or more (supposedly) gay grandson(s), with the gene theory etc.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Isn't one of Alexander of Yougoslavia and Maria-Pia (who is now married to Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma) sons' gay?

So it's said.

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As a general note to this thread, the "gayness" or otherwise of historical figures has been established either through what was known at the time, or through later research into private correspondence.

In regard to current Royal figures, no-one has been "outed" who hasn't already "outed" themselves.

Speculation and gossip has been noted as such.

Warren
Royal Forums superModerator

[lashinka2002]

Originally Posted by Marengo

It didn't stop Ducky from divorcing Ernst-Ludwig of Hessen-Darmtadt (although they had intercourse, he still was gay).

What about present day royalty? Isn't one of Alexander of Yougoslavia and Maria-Pia (who is now married to Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma) sons gay, the one who is a jeweller? But these rumours stay rumours of course, an Austrian Archduke (brother of Sophie of Windisch-Graetz and grandson of Helena of Toerring-Jettenbach, sister of Marina of Kent and Olga of Greece) was supposed to be gay but recently married an Iraqi woman. It is interesting to note how the 3 greek sisters all 'produced' one or more (supposedly) gay grandson(s), with the gene theory etc.

Right, but Ducky had to divorce wheras Ella would have probably been able to obtain an anullment because the marraige was not consumated and for other reasons etc...
Ducky caught Ernst in the act whereas Ella was virtually ignorant of Sergei's sexual orientation. This played a very large role in Ducky's decision to divorce. These were two very different women of character, Ella was a very quiet devout and religious woman and Ducky was more liberal for the times.
Following Ducky's divorce and subsequent marraige the 2 suffered from scandal were shunned socially, the actually had to leave Russia at the Tsar's request, this is why they survived the revolution....


Grand Duchess Olga Alexandovna (Tsar Nicholas' sister) married Prince Peter of Oldenburg. He was a known gambler and was "not interested in the ladies" They were married for 15 years and never had any sexual relations. Prince Peter only wanted to be married to the Tsar's sister. She eventually met Captain Kulikovsky and the 2 became lovers. Prince Peter knew but didn't care so long as nobody else found out. Olga eventually anulled her marraige with Prince Peter saying that the marraige was never consumated. She married her Captain in 1916. They had 2 children.


Marengo, your gene theroy is interesting. I always thought it was something to do with the hormones, I don't know if that can be genetic...

[Mapple]

Originally Posted by Idriel

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A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.

Yes, it was common for homosexual people then. However, Grand Duke Sergey probably had several same-sex liaisons with young Army officers; such things were rumoured back then in Moscow.

[Lady Marmalade]

See...one is mentioned as a possibility and then everyone is drawn in the fold...Prince Andrew is not gay...

[Royal Fan]

WOW Thats interesting about Sergei

[Skydragon]

What an interesting thread.:)
I have gay friends, 'straight' friends and some I don't know and have never asked their preference but, we all agree that the UK, at the moment would not accept William if he was openly gay.
This country is finding it hard to accept gay men and women at all, if you think about it, they are struggling to accept the idea of 2 divorcees on the throne.

[norwegianne]

Ahem, can we get back to the Royals, please?

[acid_rain3075]

Originally Posted by norwegianne

Ahem, can we get back to the Royals, please?

I agree even though I was one of the people who got off suject. Sorry about that!

Right, well, I was wondering, Why is it that every time a Prince goes unmarried for a long time (or something like that) people (the press especially) think that their gay? People did that with Prince Albert and Prince Edward. But I just don't see why!

[BeatrixFan]

With Prince Edward the rumour really started because he was an actor and he failed the marines bit and he took a long time get married

It was seen that because he hadn't made it in the Forces, he was a nancy-boy who preferred the theatre. Totally unfair. Doing 'It's a Royal Knockout' didn't help.

[acid_rain3075]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

It was seen that because he hadn't made it in the Forces, he was a nancy-boy who preferred the theatre. Totally unfair. Doing 'It's a Royal Knockout' didn't help.

Yeah, but that doesn't explain why Prince Albert was thought of as being gay. He was after all in the French Army.