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Although not English, It was said that Her Majesty the Queen Consort Marie - Atoinette of France conducted a passionate love affair with her close friend and confidante, Madame de Polignac. So, history dictates that such rumours are not uncommon umongst the aristocratic circles of Europe and have been around for many centuries.
There is no doubt that Antoinette loved Madame and Madame her, but the likeliness of the two conducting an active lesbian relationship is most unlikely. Such a shame that Polignac's influence over "the Austrian" proved to be most catastrophic..... "MII" |
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Rex fuit Elizabeth: nunc est regina Jacobus. (Elizabeth was King; now James is Queen.) It's wonderful to know that people lived their lives as they wished before stuffy Victorian moral codes shaped the way we look at history. |
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One thing I have been wondering about is if conception by artificial means would be permitted for the British Royal family? I mean in all it's forms-test tube babies, surrogate mothers as long as the egg, and sperm come from the Royal parents etc. The Roman Catholic Church forbids it. It is a 'natural' conception or adoption. That's it. Edited to add this past summer I read about (I think) an Austrian Empress who was gay and desparately in love with a woman. Her letters survive and they are quite passionate. I'll try to find the link.
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Happy New Year-Here's to Peace On Earth Last edited by Queen Mary I; 11-12-2005 at 07:15 AM. |
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According to a biography of Princess Marina, she had a long-term lover during her widowhood, but nothing was said about marital infidelity on her part. Mind you, she was only married for eight years and had three children in that time, so she didn't have a lot of time for dalliances.
I remember reading that Queen Victoria, when asked why an act of Parliament outlawing male homosexual activities didn't also include female homosexual activities, saying that it wasn't necessary because women didn't do that sort of thing. Apparently when she did her history lessons, the friendship between Queen Anne and Duchess of Marlborough was presented in a very platonic light! I wonder if she was told about "Mrs Freeman" and "Mrs Morley." |
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About Kent. I believe homosexuality was the least of his "issues" (not that I suggest homosexuality is an issue, I have my gayfriendly member-card
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Luckily they rethought themselves and with the passing of the Duke at such a young age leaving young children it was definitely all for the best.
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I have a cousin the army (currently in Iraq) who has said that it isn't unususal for someone to be raped in the barracks and it's generally written off as 'very hot, lack of contact with the opposite sex and a lack of sleep' - I wonder if any of the young Princes who attended naval school etc were subjected to the 'ritual'.
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It is an unmitigated shame that homosexuals and lesbians are still treated unfairly today. I don't see why everyone gets so upset. They are just like heterosexuals except for one difference.
One of my best friends is gay and when he told his grandfather, OH MY GOD!! The grandfather went crazy and told him he would go hell (the whole Bible thing run amok). Personally, I think many gays and lesbians are born with this sexual orientation. Most know at a preschool age in some shape or form that they like the same sex not the opposite. I am hoping that someday there will be scientific evidence to prove this and I know it is being worked on. |
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think frederik the great of prussia and ludwig of bavaria too.
Went with a group of arthistorians to Neuschwanstein and was walking next to one male arthistorian with visibly plucked eyebrows and a long cape and a certain way about him. We passed two bavarian young men in lederhosen who looked visibly disgusted at him and I thought they probably do not know about ludwig |
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Wow...this has to be the most...umm..frank forum on the entire site..very interesting to read your posts..:)
The Duchess of Windsor was never HRH...she was few other things I will not type on here, but never an HRH.I read in a few books and magazines that same sex intercourse and play has a very high rate in the upper class schools of the British aristocracy. Prince Philip himself has even alluded to such practices... |
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Yes, this is a fairly frank thread, but it is an adult discussion, and the Forums are broad enough to accommodate it. An alternative to Charlotte Casiraghi's favourite handbag (if you know what I mean). If a member who is likely to be offended by the content investigates this thread, it is easy enough for them to click on the 'Back' or 'Home' buttons and get out fast.
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I can handle it though. I do like the honesty on here..helps people keep things in perspective. |
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Unsubstantiated gossip
I Think ive heard the rumor about Lord Frederick Windsor Last edited by Warren; 11-04-2005 at 09:06 AM. Reason: Noted as unsubstantiated gossip |
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"MII" Last edited by Margrethe II; 10-30-2005 at 02:04 AM. |
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" I do what I please, and I do it with ease." - Martha Stewart Last edited by Warren; 11-04-2005 at 09:08 AM. Reason: emphasised 'rumour' |
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Wikipedia has Frederick down as 'out' and it seemed he was, posing for a gay magazine etc. I suppose that, added to his position on the board of G-A-Y confirmed it in the opinion of those who wrote the article.
Speculation: I think its taken that he is but that he's going to officially remain in the closet.
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Lovely stuff. Last edited by Warren; 11-04-2005 at 09:09 AM. Reason: noted as speculation |
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