Gay Royalty

[Odette]

Originally Posted by branchg

Waldemar was in a lifetime relationship with his nephew, HRH Prince George of Greece and Denmark, son of the former Prince Wilhelm of Denmark who became King George I of the Hellenes. George married HIH Princess Marie Bonaparte, a very wealthy heiress who owned a large share of the casino in Monaco. She had affairs throughout their marriage as well.

Prince Michel of Greece wrote a book about Marie Bonaparte. She sounds like she was a very eccentric person.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by Odette

Prince Michel of Greece wrote a book about Marie Bonaparte. She sounds like she was a very eccentric person.

Prince Valdemar of Denmark and Prince George of Greece actually had a long-term love relationship, and were supported (also financially) in this by Princess Marie Bonaparte. She and Prince George led separate lives from early on in their marriage but slowly developed an understanding friendship and never divorced.
Marie Bonaparte was not merely ‘eccentric’ but a most interesting personality. First a client, later a college of Sigmund Freud, she played a crucial part in his escape from the Nazis from Vienna to London and became one of the female pioneers of psychoanalysis herself.
Prince Dimitri of Serbia is indeed openly gay. Reading the whole article, it's regrettable that the NY Observer indulges in sexist and bitchy comments in order to appear what they might consider entertaining.
Prince George of Kent, father of the current Duke and Prince Michael, was predominantly gay, but I guess this was mentioned here before.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by Boris

Prince Valdemar of Denmark and Prince George of Greece actually had a long-term love relationship, and were supported (also financially) in this by Princess Marie Bonaparte. She and Prince George led separate lives from early on in their marriage but slowly developed an understanding friendship and never divorced.
Marie Bonaparte was not merely ‘eccentric’ but a most interesting personality. First a client, later a college of Sigmund Freud, she played a crucial part in his escape from the Nazis from Vienna to London and became one of the female pioneers of psychoanalysis herself.
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Oh Boris, Princess Marie Bonaparte was beyond interesting....
A quick glance at her wikipedia page speaks volumes.....Even if we ignore half of it she was still a very very unusual person.

[branchg]

In the progressive Scandinavian monarchies, I think the people would accept an openly gay sovereign. Possibly it would be OK in the Netherlands too. I doubt it would be accepted in Spain or Monaco (even though rumors about Prince Albert have been around for years).

[Maxie]

Originally Posted by branchg

In the progressive Scandinavian monarchies, I think the people would accept an openly gay sovereign. Possibly it would be OK in the Netherlands too. I doubt it would be accepted in Spain or Monaco (even though rumors about Prince Albert have been around for years).

I think a openly gay king is possible in the Netherlands. But that's just my point of view as a young student with several gay friends. I don't know how other people would react to it.

[branchg]

Crown Prince Fredrik of Denmark has many gay friends and has always been very supportive of the gay community.

[Smilla]

Originally Posted by branchg

Crown Prince Fredrik of Denmark has many gay friends and has always been very supportive of the gay community.

So has Haakoon of Norway. And didn't Mette-Marit actually hold a speech about the rights and problems of gay people?

[Margrethe II]

I just noticed this thread and haaaaad to have a browse!

I think its wonderful how the Scandinavian nations inparticluar have welcomed and embraced the gay communities so warmly. Its also very comforting to see how many royals are actually supportive of, and have many gay friends.

I think the homosexual movement has come a long way in recent years, but has a long, long way to go before it is accepted and respected for what it is, especially in the Roman Catholic nations. And who knows. It may never really be accepted!

Unfortunately, here in Australia the gay community does not share the same rights as that of the heterosexual community and it is (from what I have been exposed to) still finding it rather difficult to make that transition (of course having a homophobic Prime Minister does'nt help much).

Those who hold prejudiced views against us should realise that we ourselves are the result of a heterosexual union, so how are we so different from them?

Contrary to what people think, gay isnt a choice (those who claim to be Bi are just greedy.lol.). I know I had no say in the matter and had known from a very early age (early primary school) that I viewed things differently to the other boys.

So all I can say is that its the personality that makes a person, not their sexuality!

"MII"

[BeatrixFan]

Well said Margrethe II! I think that its a good thing that the Scandinavians seem to have a good attitude to the gay community - but how far does it extend? They may welcome the gay community but would they welcome a gay King or Queen as quickly?

I too knew of my orientation from primary school and so I think that it must be common for people to know from an early age. But the family could be just as big an issue for Royals as it is for commoners. I don't think the Queen would welcome a gay grandson at all - she's well known for being a devoted christian and loves tradition.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

I don't think the Queen would welcome a gay grandson at all - she's well known for being a devoted christian and loves tradition.

I think the Queen is more progressive than people give her credit for. Yes, she takes her role as Monarch and Head of the Church very seriously. But, she is also well-known to have tolerated and accepted gay male servants for years, perhaps not quite to the extent her mother did, but tolerant nonetheless.

I know the Household is not the same as having a gay grandson, but I have to believe she would be supportive of her grandchildren no matter what.

[Bellefleur]

A homosexual King or Queen = BIG PROBLEMS!

[Margrethe II]

Originally Posted by Bellefleur

A homosexual King or Queen = BIG PROBLEMS!

Care to elaborate?

"MII"

[Mippy O]

Since the Church of England has long been associated with British Royalty, it might be a problem there. Other countries, probably not so much of a problem. Let's face it, royals have been and done many things lately, that were formerly unthinkable, that most people wouldn't even care.

[esanfor2]

I was wondering about this the other day, since The United Kingdom recognizes same sex civil unions (not marriage). Does this include a Crown Prince? If the prince decided to take a male as a partner, would he be allowed to center into a civil union? If so, would there be a King and a Prince Consort? Or would a new title be created?

I know there is a question of an heir, but would the idea of adoption or surrogacy be against the constitution?

[Jacknch]

Originally Posted by esanfor2

I was wondering about this the other day, since The United Kingdom recognizes same sex civil unions (not marriage). Does this include a Crown Prince? If the prince decided to take a male as a partner, would he be allowed to center into a civil union? If so, would there be a King and a Prince Consort? Or would a new title be created?

I know there is a question of an heir, but would the idea of adoption or surrogacy be against the constitution?

I often wonder about this question and the various issues this might raise. I see no reason why a member of the royal family should not be accorded the right to enter into a Civil Partnership without losing their rights to the throne (though according to the Act of Settlement they wouldn't be allowed to be Catholic - see how odd British Law is?!)
With regard to a title, my preference is for a monarch's spouse to be called Prince/Princess Consort - I am not in favour of a Queen Regnant's husband being called King although oddly I do not mind a King's spouse being called Queen. Therefore, the King's civil partner would be known as the Prince Consort. However, if a Crown Prince were to enter into a Civil Partnership, we do have the awkward issue of there being the Crown Prince and Crown Prince (or in the case of the British Royal Family The Prince and Prince of Wales - or even the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cornwall.....).
It is more likely that the Civil Partner would not be given a title on the basis that as far as I know it is not customery for one party to be automatically entitled to the other's title.

[magnik]

Originally Posted by esanfor2

I was wondering about this the other day, since The United Kingdom recognizes same sex civil unions (not marriage). Does this include a Crown Prince? If the prince decided to take a male as a partner, would he be allowed to center into a civil union? If so, would there be a King and a Prince Consort? Or would a new title be created?

I know there is a question of an heir, but would the idea of adoption or surrogacy be against the constitution?

The same about the gay Crown Princess?
What about Gay royalty outside Europe?

[esanfor2]

I think it is so strange that someone like Camilla will be styled HM upon Charles' succession and a gay Crown Prince's (or princess') partner's title is so questioned.

Swedish law permits gay marriage, not just civil union-ship. I guess that means the crown prince could marry his lover, and be entitled to every privilege and right that a heterosexual marriage would have (including title and precedence).

It is a very interesting topic...

[SpeedDial]

Originally Posted by esanfor2

Swedish law permits gay marriage, not just civil union-ship. I guess that means the crown prince could marry his lover, and be entitled to every privilege and right that a heterosexual marriage would have (including title and precedence).

It is a very interesting topic...

There's a first time for everything, and if countries like Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands permit gay marriage, then there's no reason that the partner of a gay royal should be treated any differently. I'm just curious as to what kind of title they would have (if it would be the same as their spouses' or not).

Maybe we'll find out one day...

[Royal Fan]

Ive heard of the rumors about Albert of Monaco
have there been rumors about Joachim , Frederik , Felipe ,Willem - Alexander , William or Harry

[grecka]

I once read that Queen Mary II (as in the Mary of William and Mary) was actually in love with another woman when she was forced to marry Prince William of Orange and that she maintained a relationship with that woman for the rest of her life.