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Old 12-21-2008, 12:04 PM
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But Warren, it goes without saying that only biographies published within the last four decades or so will approach the subject of a Royal being gay without prejudice, without rewriting history out of ill-advised reference, and without embarrassing 'beating around the bush', especially regarding modern time Royals...
...as sad as it is, because it led to nothing but omissions and false portrayals in many old biographies, which succeeded in doing justice to the taboos at the time of their writing rather than doing justice to their subjects.
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Old 12-21-2008, 07:22 PM
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When it comes to homosexuality some authors tend to be absolutely unreliable; I read a book on Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria (Harper and Brothers -London) which states that Archduke Ludwig Viktor, a well known gay, was a tremendous womanizer.

Same occurred to me when I read the biography of Italy's former king Umberto II, the author totally avoided the issue of the king's sexuality. Once overthrown, Umberto II and his wife separated; then the king made no secret of his bisexuality and had widely known affairs with Luchino Visconti and handsome French actor Jean Marais amongst other many men.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:53 AM
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King consort Francis of Borbon (husband of Spanish Queen Isabella II) was totally gay (he was known in the Spanish court as "Paquita"); it is an accepted fact that Isabella's children were from other men as she had many lovers along her life in Madrid and Paris. Actually, King Juan Carlos' great great grandfather was not Francis of Borbon but Captain Enrique Puig-Molto; that is something we all know.
This is widely overlooked today, but correct and undisputed by any genealogist or historian. Queen Isabella II of Spain’s husband was gay and not the biological father to her children.
Of course a mention of the fact would have made the discussion among certain people about Prince Felipe’s choice of Letizia for his wife as "ruining the bloodline" totally pointless.
As the line of succession here was through Isabella, it doesn’t make a difference in legal terms, but of course it does biologically.
The history of biographies on Royals avoiding the subject is long and tiresome, just like the list of adjectives used in them to NOT describe the simple fact of being gay.
From ‘eccentric’ and ‘artistic’ to ‘troubled’ or ‘unstable’, it’s frequently frustrating to bear the toe-curling hypocrisy in writing and suffer through mostly derogatory terms used to substitute 'homosexual'. This is especially true when a biography provides interesting information on other levels but remains ignorant when it comes to this central point in their subject’s lives.
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Old 12-22-2008, 01:56 PM
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The case of Spain during the reign of Queen Isabella II demostrates to which extent can the monarch's sexual behavoir affect the fate of the Country.

Queen Isabella was forced to marry his double first cousin Francis of Borbon-Two Sicilies, an openly gay and a very feminine man. Isabella was 16, a very innocent young woman who developed a tremendous libido (later transmitted to her son Alfonso XII). Given her husband's "condition" of homosexual, Isabella had a parade of lovers to the total discredit of the Spanish monarchy. The Queen who during her early reign was much loved by her people ended up being called "la reina puta" (the whore queen) and names like that. Eventually, the Queen was overthrown and moved to Paris where the parade of lovers continued (her husband moved out and mostly had stable relationships with other men); finally her son Alfonso XII returned to reign as King of Spain at a very young age.

A candidate to marry Isabella was the handsome and masculine (but pennyless) prince Leopold of Saxe Coburg Kohary; this option was heavily opposed by Europe's dominant nations under the argument that "there were too many Saxe Coburg princes in reigning houses in Europe" stating the UK, Portugal and Belgium. Spain's history would have been completely different had Isabella married Prince Leopold. The leader of the intrigue to marry Isabella to an unfit prince was ambitious French King Louis Philip of Orleans who expected one of his future grandsons to become King of Spain (as result of the marriage of his son Antoine of Orleans to Infanta Luisa Fernanda -Isabella's sister); his plan, however, only produced frustration for Isabella and Louis Philip himself as the Spanish Queen gave birth to 12 children, 5 of which reached adulthood. Eventually, Louis Philip's plan would work out in the long run as actual King Juan Carlos is one of his descendants through the marriage of Antoine and Luisa Fernanda.

As you pointed Boris, the central point in Isabella's case is that she was the monarch and her children were in any case "children of the Queen" no matter who the biological father was; the Queen was very frivolous but a nice woman with good feelings with a lot of simpathy to the poor. Unfortunately, her sexual appetite dominated her, producing much scandal not only in Spain but all over Europe, where the model of a serious and modest Queen impossed by Queen Victoria was much admired.

Queen Isabella eventually told her children who their respective fathers were (maybe not to her son Alfonso); her daughter Maria Paz who married one of the Royals in Bavaria provided a good living and a nice place to her biological father, writer and politician Mr. Miguel Tenorio de Castilla (who was also the father of Infantas Maria del Pilar and Eulalia), who lived at Nyphemburg Palace for around 20 years until his death in 1916 at the age of 98.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:31 PM
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...needless to say, the particular conduct of Queen Isabella was hardly caused by the homosexuality of her husband (NOT his 'condition', by the way - offensive wording, because in English 'condition' always refers to an illness of some kind).
Her penchant of entering into a never-ending whirl of affairs was certainly just as much personality-based as her husband's preference for more committed relationships with men.
In the end it's almost ironic that in this case, it was rather Isabella's outrageous heterosexual conduct that endangered the arranged marriage and the monarchy, and not her husband's more discreet homosexual conduct.
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:57 PM
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I am really sorry I used the wrong word, but English is not my first language. In my opinion homosexuality in not a sickness at all but a sexual preference.

In this particular case Isabella's behavoir was caused by her unsatisfied sexual drive. Maybe if her husband would have been able to perform in bed she would have been happy enough to avoid sexual encounters/relationships with all these other men. Francis abhorred any kind of sexual contact with women. Unlike other royals like Kings Ferdinand I of Bulgaria, Umberto II of Italy and Gustav V of Sweden, Francis was unable to have sex with woman and Isabella was very frustrated by this fact. Historians state that Isabella, heavily criticised by both her mother and sister, went through a painful transition until she decided to have sex with other men.

What is outrageous to me is the strong disregard of the Queen's mother (very common in those days) who did not care at all about her daughter's well being. Queenmother Christina very well knew about Francis sexual preference and still agreed and forced her daughter into that marriage, only for political reasons.

Both Isabella's scandalous heterosexual behavoir and Francis sexual preference were subject of outrage and both contributed to the total discredit of the Spanish monarchy which eventually led to the coup d'etat. Isabella did not care much about Francis' sexual orientation but she witnessed Luisa Fernanda's happy sexual life and wanted sex with handsome and sexy men. In those days Spanish "macho culture", Kings were allowed and even encouraged to have mistresses and illegitimate children; on the other hand Queens were expected to have an extremely virtuous behavoir. Unlike other more tolerant Countries such as France, England and Italy there were no male brothels in Spain (during the Franco regime homosexuality was a criminal offense which would mean a straightforward ticket to jail).

Isabella and Luisa Fernanda were raised under a very strict catholic regime and both were expected to be devoted catholic wives. Luisa Fernanda had a happy and loving marriage with intrigant Antoine of Orleans and never had a lover, not even after Antoine passed away (the same behavoir was observed by widow Spanish Queens Chistina of Austria and Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg).

By that time homosexuality was perceived in Spain as an "abominable atrocity against nature". Fortunately, in our days Spain (one of the very few Countries) allows gay marriage and gay rights are fully protected by the State.
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Old 12-28-2008, 11:36 AM
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Perhaps the most flagrantly gay European monarch has gone unmentioned so far. This was Gian Gastone, last Medici Grand Duke of Tuscany. He succeeded his tyrannical and overbearingly pious father Cosimo III in 1723, and was immediately popular just for not being his father, who had reigned for 53 years of unrelieved gloom. He earned further popularity by, in a brief burst of energy, enacting modest liberal reforms. It was only brief, though, he soon returned to the spectacularly debauched and indolent lifestyle he had enjoyed before succeeding, and absolutely refused to have anything further to do with the business of government.

Immensely corpulent, he rarely left his bedchamber, or indeed his bed. There he was served vast meals and plied with wine until he passed out. In the meantime, youths picked and paid off the streets would cavort naked or cross-dressed for his entertainment. On the rare occasions when he was persuaded to leave his quarters he would invariably disgrace himself, either being publicly sick or talking loudly and inappropriately. Withal, he remained popular with the people of Tuscany. Why? No ruler could possibly have bothered them less.

He died after a reign of 14 years, and being (obviously) childless was succeeded by the Duke of Lorraine, later Emperor Francis I, who had no conceivable hereditary claim despite some remote Medici blood, but was the beneficiary of a Great Powers stitch-up. His sister Anna Maria Luisa survived another seven years, last of the Medici and revered by all in Florence, and when she died left the entire Medici art collection, of incalculable value and worth, to the people of Tuscany in perpetuity, on condition that it should never be removed from there.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:06 PM
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What an interesting thread - and I was really hoping I would find someone living and of interest... sadly not! I did get quite excited by the Freddie Windsor rumours, but of course it's the normal gay gossip... Just because he is young, attractive, unmarried, and of course the son of Princess Michael, you'd think that would be enough to make anyone gay!!

I think I do find it hard to believe there are no out and proud young gay royals however, the laws of average dictate there must be some gay people amongst their enormous numbers. It seems to be one of the last things the royal families have not been able to embrace, which is a shame. Unless all that attention to breeding has outbred the gay gene! (That is not an attempt to start a nature/nurture debate before someone jumps on it...)

It's got to be a matter of time surely...
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:36 PM
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It's not that there are no gay royals around presently - trust me.
It's just that this thread is supposed to exclude what counts as rumors or speculation.
Since we currently don't have any gay Royal who came out / is coming out, we don't have anyone 'out' in the public eye and can't proclaim any of them as proud to be (officially) gay. That's indeed a shame, but only a matter of time until it changes. But that doesn't mean that they're not proud to be (privately) gay in their inner and royal circle.
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Do you think Louis XVI was gay? He didn't consummate his marriage with Marie Antoinette for several years, he never took mistresses as far as I know. Some historians say he had a medical problem, or was just lazy. Does anyone really think that was the case?
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Do you think Louis XVI was gay? He didn't consummate his marriage with Marie Antoinette for several years, he never took mistresses as far as I know. Some historians say he had a medical problem, or was just lazy. Does anyone really think that was the case?
Louis XVI was not gay at all, he was a very shy and simple man, even naive. He could not have sex with Marie Antoinette because he had "phimosis" (a condition where the male foreskin cannot be fully retracted from the head of the penis) this condition turns erections painful and orgasm is very difficult or impossible to achieve. A very simple operation is enough to correct this problem, but Louis was afraid even to speak about it; a serious conversation with his brother in law, Emperor Joseph II of Austria, convinced him to allow the operation. Regarding the mistresses, there is a long list of kings who never had them (the Georges III, V and VI of Great Britain) and nothing suggests they were gay.

Russia's empress Catherine II's husband (future Tsar Peter III) also had phimosis and neded the operation too; Peter did get mistresses after the operation.
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One of the Princes of Serbia (Dimitri?) has publicly proclaimed that he is gay.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:12 AM
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Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia is mentioned in posts #263, 264 and 265.
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And that's it isn't it Sonjapearl... that there are bound to be royal gayers, but they haven't been able to be out about it. Which is a huge shame. And a terrible waste seeing as there are so many commoner gayers who would love to get their hands on all those rocks. Sigh... que la vie est cruelle!
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:41 AM
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Ayone know anything about Prince dimitri he is very handsome X
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Ayone know anything about Prince dimitri he is very handsome X

You must have missed Warren's message two posts up.

17 Pages of facts,fiction and "wish they were....",hilarious....
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especially not in Royal lala-land,there are more queens than Monarchies,even within the Houses...
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There must be some current gay royals I would imagine...at least a few. I wonder if they will ever come out.

I think it would be cool to see a gay royal get married (if the country they live in allows it). There's a first time for everything and I'm sure it will happen someday. But when is the question.
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I'd imagine that if it were to ever happen, that the partner of that particular royal would be accorded the conservative acknowledgement observed by the husband of a Princess by where he does not share her style or titles, thus retaining his actual name in an official capacity; or is possibly granted a life peerage by the sovereign if infact the marriage takes place within the immediate royal family (yet another reason why I believe church and state should be disbanded, but that is my personal opinion).

Though I myself have a Christian faith, I don't believe anyone inherits the throne at god's will. It is the accident of birth or by way of abdication, imo.
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Old 08-01-2009, 07:01 AM
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If there are a few the royals must be good at keeping it hidden. As most royal things we seem to find out.
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There are a few that are "known" but as they haven't publicly confirmed it we can't discuss it on thsi thread I guess.
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