Princess Marianne (1810-1883)

[sara1981]

thanks for pictures and story but she very beautiful as Princess and more wealthy as woman

[Zonk]

Marengo...this is great!

Until I read your piece, I had never heard of Princess Marianne. When I hear and learn more about the women who lived during this time, I am always impressed with the lives that they lead. Just goes to show you that no matter what time period you live in...being a Princess is not a bed of roses!

[magnik]

Marengo as always great!

Descendants one more:
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=on&bd=0&color=
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10233.htm#i102324

Probably posted before http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/royal16b.htm

[nicolehraphael]

Hello everyone!
I hope that one of you can perhaps lead me in the right direction in my research.

I am researching Princess Marianne of Prussia. I have some information that in 1873 The Princess of Prussia and her entourage were travelling through The Holy Land and stopped in Sefad (Safed/Tzfat) on her way to Jerusalem. She was dangerously ill and her doctors could not make a diagnosis. A local physician, Dr. Pesach Friedman was consulted, made a diagnosis (malaria) and cured her. The Princess entreated Dr. Friendman to accompany her on the on the rest of her journey to Jerusalem. Dr. Friedman agreed on two conditions: "As a Jew, I must have a miyon (10 men) for daily prayer and kosher food to eat." His conditions were met and Reb Pesach journed with the The Princess and her entourage.

Dr. Pesach Friendman returned To Tzfat and to his family. Some months later, he received a telegram from the Kaiser - Reb Pesach was appointed Prussian Vice Counsel for Tzfat, allowing him to give Prussian passports to Jewish men in Tsfat, freeing them from having to do miltary duty for The Turkish Empire which then controlled the Holy Land.

I received this information from personal family trees and reseach. Dr. Friedman is one of my ancestors.

Can anyone guide me to more detailed information about the Princess Marianne and her travels to The Holy Land?
I would greatly appreciate any help that anyone can offer.

Thank you!

Nicole Raphael

[lucien]

First of all,HRH Princess Marianne of The Netherlands divorced that german infidel,so,she is not to be adressed as Princess of Prussia.

[Marengo]

I only found information about an earlier travel of Princess Marianne (from 1849 to 1851) through the mediterenian. She visited Rome, Sicily, Alexandria and also Jerusalem. During this trip her illegitemate son Johannes was probably born (in Sicily) and she bought a slave on a market too.

I am not sure if Princess Marianne went to Jeruzalem in 1873, she was already fairly old and in April of that year her life-partner Johannes van Rossum died in Voorburg.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I only found information about an earlier travel of Princess Marianne (from 1849 to 1851) through the mediterenian. She visited Rome, Sicily, Alexandria and also Jerusalem. During this trip her illegitemate son Johannes was probably born (in Sicily) and she bought a slave on a market too.

I am not sure if Princess Marianne went to Jeruzalem in 1873, she was already fairly old and in April of that year her life-partner Johannes van Rossum died in Voorburg.

That's correct,she gave birth to her son at Cefalu,Sicily.And as far as I know/recall,she didn't go to Jerusalem in the time period,1873.

[nicolehraphael]

Thanks so much!
Originally, I was researching Empress Frederick (I thought that she was "The Princess of Prussia" mentioned in the Chasidc story based on my ancestor, Dr. Pesach Friedman) - but when I started reseaching her a bit, I could not find any mention of her travels to "The Holy Land". When I saw somewhere that Marianne made the journey, I was sure it was her (I would not be surprised if the dates in the Chasidic tale are off. In any case, do any of you know of any other PRINCESS OF PRUSSIA who might have brought an entourage to "The Holy Land" in 1873. Any help or guidance would be so appreciated. I am trying to begin reseach on the story in order to adapt the piece into a play.
Thanks again!!

[lucien]

Originally Posted by nicolehraphael

Thanks so much!
Originally, I was researching Empress Frederick (I thought that she was "The Princess of Prussia" mentioned in the Chasidc story based on my ancestor, Dr. Pesach Friedman) - but when I started reseaching her a bit, I could not find any mention of her travels to "The Holy Land". When I saw somewhere that Marianne made the journey, I was sure it was her (I would not be surprised if the dates in the Chasidic tale are off. In any case, do any of you know of any other PRINCESS OF PRUSSIA who might have brought an entourage to "The Holy Land" in 1873. Any help or guidance would be so appreciated. I am trying to begin reseach on the story in order to adapt the piece into a play.
Thanks again!!

I've been looking around a little,but can't find anyone.It definitely wasn't our Marianne,then,but if the story is in 1850 - 1853,yes,the discription fits her.

She and her entourage travelled from Sicily to Malta and on to Alexandria.From there she travelled to the pyramids and Cairo,and returned to Alexandria where she "purchased" a black boy who was sold as a slave at the market there.She educated him,and,"the moorish boy",was taken care off for the rest of his life.

She then travelled in Palestine & Syria for a while before returning to Italy where she aquired a villa at the Monte Celio at The Vatican,had it renovated and refurbished and then named it "Celimontana","Heavenly mountain"...

It was then she called for her son,Johannes,who had stayed/remained at Cefalu,Sicily till then,and was a two year old when he saw his mother,again.She left him for her journey when he was only two weeks old.

Ah,lives can be so stange,no,different,and then turn tragic don't you think.