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Old 01-11-2020, 04:22 PM
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Old 01-11-2020, 04:39 PM
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Good thing this topic was created, so we have a place to discuss the future of the Norwegian monarchy. I think the future of this monarchy is secured with Prince Haakon and Peincesa Ingrid Alexandra, who I am sure must already be prepared to assume royal duties as soon as necessary.
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Old 01-11-2020, 05:23 PM
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Good thing this topic was created, so we have a place to discuss the future of the Norwegian monarchy. I think the future of this monarchy is secured with Prince Haakon and Peincesa Ingrid Alexandra, who I am sure must already be prepared to assume royal duties as soon as necessary.

It will be hard on Ingrid Alexandra because she will probably have to become a full-time royal at a very young age when she should be focusing on her education . She won't be the first royal to go through that situation , but she will have to learn very quickly and "on the job".
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Old 01-11-2020, 05:29 PM
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And on a personal level it leaves her much less time to simply being young. - Dating, having fun, travel abroad and all the other things young royals have the opportunity to do.

Perhaps out resident Norwegians can answer this question: Is it expected of Ingrid to become an officer or at least become a conscript and do a stint of national service?
That I think will be a period where she will be surrounded by people her own age, most of the time and have few other obligations.
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Old 01-11-2020, 06:46 PM
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On a different comment, I also hope that Haakon eventually decides to draft his younger son as a working royal when he is old enough. It never made sense to me that he is not an HRH and, with such a small royal family, his help would be much appreciated.
Putting the decision in context, Prince Sverre Magnus was born three years after Princess Märtha Louise voluntarily resigned her royal position in favor of working as a businesswoman. It was thus to be expected that when Magnus was of an age to take on royal duties, the Norwegian public would have become accustomed over the past 20-25 years to having only one couple per generation performing royal duties full time.

Furthermore, the right to choose his future career was considered a "freedom" by the Royal Family, rather than a limitation. To quote Royal Norway's translation of the statement at that time:

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The King's reason for not giving the new prince the title Royal Highness is because the Norwegian Royal House, since 1905, has traditionally consisted of few members, and the King wishes to continue this tradition.

"The King believes that this will also give the new prince greater freedom to choose his own future, e.g. by career choice," says information manager Astrid Versto of NTB.
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/...ke-tradisjoner
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Old 01-12-2020, 02:37 AM
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Norweigian monarchy is surely secured when it is quiet popular currently. But Ingrid Alexandra will have not easy on future. She is going get more duties already during this decade. Sverre Magnus of course has too some duties but IA will be quiet loaded with duties and surely some other things too. Hopefully it doesn't cause her such problems as what CP Victoria had.
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Yes Ingrid will definitely assume some significant duties much earlier than her equals but i think that is according to the plan too. I’m sure there is a plan already made in the family for her education.
Sverre Magnus has never been an H.R.H and has never been planned to become a full time working royal (though it wouldn’t hurt if he choosed to become one down the road) so the plan is clearly to have a much smaller Royal Family in the future.

There will undoubtly be a few years when the NRF can’t take on as many engagements as of today but that will be the case in Sweden, UK, Spain and Japan too.

The Queen of UK and The King of Sweden both came to the throne in their 20:s and they have both shown that it is possible to ”learning by doing”. Though QEII never recived a university education and Carl XVI Gustaf has said many times that he felt his higher education was rushed and incomplete due to the risk of his old grandfather becoming frail, and he would have to take over immediately.
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Alas, it won't be just a few years.

2025.
The worst case (but far from unlikely) scenario is this:
King Harald and Queen Sonia are either dead or too old and frail to be active royals.
Mette-Marit is either dead or unable to work.

That leaves Haakon - who apart from his extensive work, has two distraught children to comfort and look after, guide and tutor. Not to mention a seriously ill wife.

Ingrid is twenty, and already an experienced working royal. But she is about to start her higher education and for most of her twenties she can only work part time. But she also needs to live, to have a life and to date and fall in love and learn to have a relationship with all the ups and downs that entails. Or she would have to be extremely lucky with the one she eventually marry.

Sverre Magnus will be in his teens and whether he likes it or not, by the age of eighteen he will be drafted as a working royal. There will be no pursuing a career of his own away from the NRF for him. It's matter of necessity.
If anything happens to Haakon or Ingrid, he is all that is left!

So until Ingrid eventually marry someone, who can take some of the burden the NRF will be down to one full time working royal (Haakon) and two part time (Ingrid and Sverre) for perhaps another fifteen years.

What about Märtha Louise?
She is IMO the big joker. The death or Ari Behn and the added responsibility of taking care of their grieving children full time may change her. Mature her. Perhaps make her return to the NRF as a serious working royal - who is also acknowledged by the Norwegians as being serious.
Or she could join up with Durek and settle in USA.
Or just remain who she is now.
In both of the latter cases, she will be of no use to the NRF.

But her children? The oldest perhaps? She displayed a good deal of maturity at the funeral of her father. Could she be persuaded to take on jobs for the NRF in say ten years from now? Would she? Can she?
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But wasn't that similar to when King Olav became King? During his first years Priocness Astrid acted as fiorst Laday but then after she married she cscaled down. Did King Harald then already fuilltime duties at the age of 24 or was he still in his studies?. Only after he and Sonjky married it became again 3 fulltime working Royals. And in the first 10 years of King Harald's reign it was only the King and Queen who did fulltime duties as CP Haakon and Princess Märtha Louise was completting the studies etc. Only since the ma´rriage of Haakon and Metzte-.Marit there are 4 people doing royal dutries in Norway so many they never had before.
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Sverre Magnus has never been an H.R.H and has never been planned to become a full time working royal (though it wouldn’t hurt if he choosed to become one down the road) so the plan is clearly to have a much smaller Royal Family in the future.
The size of the working Royal Family won't be smaller.

The siblings of King Haakon VII belonged to the Royal House of Denmark, having no role in Norway.

King Olav V was an only child.

Of the siblings of the current King, Princess Ragnhild emigrated permanently to Brazil upon marrying, and Princess Astrid only took on a public role in order to replace Crown Princess Märtha after her premature death.

Princess Märtha Louise has been chiefly occupied with her professional career throughout most of her adult life.

As Astrid Versto said, a Royal House consisting of few members is the tradition.
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The size of the working Royal Family won't be smaller.

The siblings of King Haakon VII belonged to the Royal House of Denmark, having no role in Norway.

King Olav V was an only child.

Of the siblings of the current King, Princess Ragnhild emigrated permanently to Brazil upon marrying, and Princess Astrid only took on a public role in order to replace Crown Princess Märtha after her premature death.

Princess Märtha Louise has been chiefly occupied with her professional career throughout most of her adult life.

As Astrid Versto said, a Royal House consisting of few members is the tradition.
And a few members is all a Monarchy needs!
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