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Old 05-18-2018, 04:29 PM
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Has that time of year passed already?! Great to see the family at the celebrations; and I always like how the four legged relatives are included too! Their Norwegian flag bows are super cute.
Ingrid Alexandra looks a lot more like MM now; I love her curls. Sverre Magnus seems to favour Haakon more.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:20 PM
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Well, Princess Astrid and the late Princess Ragnhild stopped being members of the Royal House when they married ''non-royal'' men.
The media didn't want this to happen to Märtha when she married in 2002, but the King meant it would have been unfair to his sisters if she had retained her position, while they had to let go of theirs.

It was the same with Sverre. The King and Haakon meant it would have been unfair to Raghnild, Astrid and Märtha if he was to retain his position after he marries. So, therefore, Haakon and MM thought it was best that he was born without being a member of the Royal House, because then he don't have to go through the same process as the princesses had to do, when they lost their positions.

But to your question: I think the King decided that Sverre (despite not being a member of the Royal House) was to appear on the balcony until he marries. - Why? Because that has been the case for all other unmarried children of the monarch/heir, and the King didn't want to change that (at least, that's what some commentators have said about it).

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Apart from that I think it would be quite difficult to explain to a 8, 10 or 12 year old lad why his elder sister is allowed with their family to celebrate this important day on the Palace balcony while he is not...!
And I think one cannot say these days "Well, Magnus, your sister is, as you know, the heiress to the throne while you are not; that´s why Ingrid is with us on the balcony and you can´t be!"

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Has that time of year passed already?! Great to see the family at the celebrations; and I always like how the four legged relatives are included too! Their Norwegian flag bows are super cute.
Ingrid Alexandra looks a lot more like MM now; I love her curls. Sverre Magnus seems to favour Haakon more.

I quite agree with you on your first part. But I think Ingrid was and still is the spitting image of her father (and paternal grandmother!). Just look at her eyes and mouth! Magnus, on the other hand, looks like the chubby, smaller version of MM´s brothers.
But, if you look at older photographs of Haakon from the mid 1980s, he had his "chubby-period", too, when he was about 12-15. So, in that regard there might be a similarity between father and son.

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/391909787952_/PRINZESSIN-M%C3%84RTHA-LOUISE-PRINZ-
HAAKON-Adel-Royal-ORIGINAL-PODSTCARD-OSLO.jpg

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Old 05-19-2018, 01:27 AM
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I quite agree with you on your first part. But I think Ingrid was and still is the spitting image of her father (and paternal grandmother!). Just look at her eyes and mouth! Magnus, on the other hand, looks like the chubby, smaller version of MM´s brothers.
But, if you look at older photographs of Haakon from the mid 1980s, he had his "chubby-period", too, when he was about 12-15. So, in that regard there might be a similarity between father and son.

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/391909787952_/PRINZESSIN-M%C3%84RTHA-LOUISE-PRINZ-
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https://78.media.tumblr.com/17b7b4ef...v0who1_500.jpg

http://www.skiensantikvariat.no/imag...4-1024x768.jpg
Haha, very good comparison!
Chubby times during 12-14 will "grow out" soon!
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Old 05-19-2018, 01:41 AM
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Apart from that I think it would be quite difficult to explain to a 8, 10 or 12 year old lad why his elder sister is allowed with their family to celebrate this important day on the Palace balcony while he is not...!
And I think one cannot say these days "Well, Magnus, your sister is, as you know, the heiress to the throne while you are not; that´s why Ingrid is with us on the balcony and you can´t be!"
Yes, of course. - But according to Haakon, Sverre isn't that keen on being on the balcony, anyway.
So, if he had the opportunity to decide himself, he probably wouldn't have stood there.
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Old 05-19-2018, 02:04 AM
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Well, Princess Astrid and the late Princess Ragnhild stopped being members of the Royal House when they married ''non-royal'' men.
The media didn't want this to happen to Märtha when she married in 2002, but the King meant it would have been unfair to his sisters if she had retained her position, while they had to let go of theirs.

That means:
They are no longer Royal Highnesses.
Their birthdays are not an official flag day anymore.
They are no longer on the balcony on May 17th.
They are not required to perform royal duties.
They does not receive money from the state.
They have to pay taxes.

It was the same with Sverre. The King and Haakon meant it would have been unfair to Raghnild, Astrid and Märtha if he was to retain his position after he marries. So, therefore, Haakon and MM thought it was best that he was born without being a member of the Royal House, because then he don't have to go through the same process as the princesses had to do, when they lost their positions.

But the difference is that Pricness Märtha Louise and Pricne Sverre Magnus are in the line of succession which the King's sisters never where.
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Old 05-19-2018, 03:44 PM
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I quite agree with you on your first part. But I think Ingrid was and still is the spitting image of her father (and paternal grandmother!). Just look at her eyes and mouth! Magnus, on the other hand, looks like the chubby, smaller version of MM´s brothers.
But, if you look at older photographs of Haakon from the mid 1980s, he had his "chubby-period", too, when he was about 12-15. So, in that regard there might be a similarity between father and son.

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/391909787952_/PRINZESSIN-M%C3%84RTHA-LOUISE-PRINZ-
HAAKON-Adel-Royal-ORIGINAL-PODSTCARD-OSLO.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/17b7b4ef...v0who1_500.jpg

http://www.skiensantikvariat.no/imag...4-1024x768.jpg
I used to think Ingrid Alexandra strongly resembled Haakon; but as she's gotten older she's favoured MM more to me. It's interesting how different eyes see different resemblances!
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Well, Princess Astrid and the late Princess Ragnhild stopped being members of the Royal House when they married ''non-royal'' men.
The media didn't want this to happen to Märtha when she married in 2002, but the King meant it would have been unfair to his sisters if she had retained her position, while they had to let go of theirs.

That means:
They are no longer Royal Highnesses.
Their birthdays are not an official flag day anymore.
They are no longer on the balcony on May 17th.
They are not required to perform royal duties.
They does not receive money from the state.
They have to pay taxes.

It was the same with Sverre. The King and Haakon meant it would have been unfair to Raghnild, Astrid and Märtha if he was to retain his position after he marries. So, therefore, Haakon and MM thought it was best that he was born without being a member of the Royal House, because then he don't have to go through the same process as the princesses had to do, when they lost their positions.

But to your question: I think the King decided that Sverre (despite not being a member of the Royal House) was to appear on the balcony until he marries. - Why? Because that has been the case for all other unmarried children of the monarch/heir, and the King didn't want to change that (at least, that's what some commentators have said about it).

Thank you, Royal Norway. If the commentators can be believed, it is a bit inconsistent to decide that Prince Sverre Magnus should be born without membership of the Royal House, the title Royal Highness, or a flag day to avoid the process of losing his position upon marriage, and afterwards decide that he should lose his position in the national day celebrations only when he marries. It would be interesting to know if he will receive state funding or perform more royal duties than Princess Märtha Louise when he becomes an adult.

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VG has counted which royal who waved the most during the 3 hours on the balcony (yes, I know, that is VG for you):
Hvilken kongelig vinker mest på 17. mai? - VG video

The King: 338 times.

The Queen: 520 times.

CP Haakon: 482 times.

CP MM: 554 times.

P Ingrid: 296 times.

P Sverre 111 times.
I have to extend my compliments to VG and the royal family.
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Old 05-21-2018, 02:18 PM
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Yes, of course. - But according to Haakon, Sverre isn't that keen on being on the balcony, anyway.
So, if he had the opportunity to decide himself, he probably wouldn't have stood there.

Well, deciding for yourself and being told you are not allowed are 2 different matters...!
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Old 05-29-2018, 02:09 PM
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But the difference is that Pricness Märtha Louise and Pricne Sverre Magnus are in the line of succession which the King's sisters never where.
Well, with the exception of a small possibility of being monarchs, this has nothing to say for their roles.
Märtha (since 2002) and Sverre (since his birth) are as I wrote, not members of the Royal House, and will never have a prominent role.

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Thank you, Royal Norway.
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If the commentators can be believed, it is a bit inconsistent to decide that Prince Sverre Magnus should be born without membership of the Royal House, the title Royal Highness, or a flag day to avoid the process of losing his position upon marriage, and afterwards decide that he should lose his position in the national day celebrations only when he marries.
Well, let's go through what I wrote in post 579:
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Well, Princess Astrid and the late Princess Ragnhild stopped being members of the Royal House when they married ''non-royal'' men.
The media didn't want this to happen to Märtha when she married in 2002, but the King meant it would have been unfair to his sisters if she had retained her position, while they had to let go of theirs.
It was Märtha herself who said this in an interview (I don't remember exactly when).


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It was the same with Sverre. The King and Haakon meant it would have been unfair to Raghnild, Astrid and Märtha if he was to retain his position after he marries. So, therefore, Haakon and MM thought it was best that he was born without being a member of the Royal House, because then he don't have to go through the same process as the princesses had to do, when they lost their positions.
It was Haakon who said this in an interview (I don't remember exactly when).


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But to your question: I think the King decided that Sverre (despite not being a member of the Royal House) was to appear on the balcony until he marries. - Why? Because that has been the case for all other unmarried children of the monarch/heir, and the King didn't want to change that (at least, that's what some commentators have said about it).
As you can see in the quote, this is the part from the commentators.
To be more specific, I think it was the royal author Tor Bomann-Larsen who said it in a TV-interview (very serious guy BTW).
Wibecke Lie, former royal reporter at NTB (Norwegian News Agency) said something similar, if I remember correctly.

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Why did the King (in consultation with Haakon) decide that Sverre should not be a member of the Royal House? Well, in addition to the stuff mentioned above, the King also had another thing in mind:

VG article from 2005: Kongen bryter norske tradisjoner - VG
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The King's reason for not giving the new prince the title Royal Highness is because the Norwegian Royal House, since 1905, has traditionally consisted of few members, and the King wishes to continue this tradition.

"The King believes that this will also give the new prince greater freedom to choose his own future, e.g. by career choice," says information manager Astrid Versto of NTB.
With ''few members,'' they mean the monarch/consort, the heir/wife, and the eldest child of the heir.

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It would be interesting to know if he will receive state funding or perform more royal duties than Princess Märtha Louise when he becomes an adult.
1. To receive state funding (apanage), he has to be a member of the Royal House. - So no, he won't.
2. Well, I think we must assume that he won't perform any royal duties at all. - Why?

Märtha: She carries out some few public duties on behalf of the King in areas concerning persons with disabilities. She is also active as patron of eight organisations, and as Chair of Princess Märtha Louise's Fund. - But as I wrote in post 579, she is (since her marriage) not a Royal Highness, her birthday are not an official flag day, she's not longer on the balcony on May 17th, she does not receive any apanage from the state, and she pays taxes.

Sverre: Unlike Märtha, he has never been a member of the Royal House, and is not likely to accept any patronages when he turns 18 (age of legal majority in Norway).

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The only non-Royal House member with a prominent role is Princess Astrid.

Why is she more prominent? Because from the death of CP Märtha (her mother) in 1954 until the wedding between CP Harald and Sonja Haraldsen in 1968, Princess Astrid was Norway's First lady (despite not being a member of the Royal House after her wedding in 1961).
If Princess Ragnhild (Astrid's older sister) had continued to live in Norway after her wedding in 1953, she would have taken that role instead her younger sister.

In which way are she more prominent? Well, in her years as First lady, she was in many ways, her grandfather and father's consort, while representing Norway and the Royal Family at home and abroad.

After she ceased to be First lady in 1968, she continued to represent her father and brother, and performed several royal duties in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s until her health began to decline early in the 2000s.
But she is still (despite her frailness) quite active for her 12 patronages, and continues to represent the King each year.
And unlike Märtha (who only participates in gala dinners for foreign royals), Princess Astrid attends all gala dinners.

In 2002 (when she turned 70) the Government granted the Princess an honorary pension (which she has to pay income tax on) in recognition of all her efforts on behalf of Norway both during and following her years as First Lady.
She was registered with an income of over one million (NOK), and a fortune worth over 40 million (NOK) in 2015 and 2016.
She also has a lady-in-waiting and a secretary (paid for by the court), and disposes a chauffeur-driven car.

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Well, deciding for yourself and being told you are not allowed are 2 different matters...!
Well, they would never have told him that he's not allowed out on the balcony.

They only had two choices:
1. Tell him that he has to stand there (they did).
2. Tell him that he could decide himself.

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The VG stuff, I don't know which one is more tired, to wave several hundred times in 3 hours or count it.
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I have to extend my compliments to VG and the royal family.
Not bad, is it? 3 hours with all that waving from the balcony at the Regent couple's age (although they do sit on chairs during most of their time out there now).
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