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Old 05-14-2016, 12:04 PM
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It has nothing to do with trends. In the UK we have the Guardian and until recently the Independent who for years have wanted a Republic. In Denmark they have Ekstra Bladet.

And there is a myth that most of the media in Sweden wants a Republic, but thats not true, because I don't think they are critical at all. And the King has gotten away with most of his scandals.

When it comes to Norway: we is that country out of these 4 who have most debate on the monarchy.

There were TV-debates about the monarchy constantly from 1998 until they were taken off the air due to financial problems in the media in 2010.

It flared up again in 2013 (this time in the newspapers) because of the so-called scandals surrounding Haakon and Mette-Marit and the fact that the experts started accusing them of interfering in politics. They are also criticized for being snobbish and that they should be more like the King and Queen.

But as I've said in my above post: Scandals around Haakon and Mette-Marit in the past 3 years have weakened the monarchy's position in the Labour Party and the media, but as several experts says: There will never be any referendum as long as the King lives because that would mean political suicide, and probably not under Haakon's reign either. Because if Haakon and Mette-Marit stays away from trouble/scandals, then the monarchy will win by a large margin (propably by 70 to 80%) in a possible referendum.

I can't speak for the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain, because I don't follow these monarchies, and I don't speak the languages. And that should be discussed in their respective threads and not here.


You are wrong. We've had record high support for the UK and Danish monarchies in many polls for the last 4 years and some of the best polls for the monarchy in Norway (with the exception of a VG poll in 2014) for the last 10 years.

And most people will never replace a constitutional monarchy with an divisive president who will cost as much if not even more.

And please don't reply to my post, because I will never agree with you. But can I ask - are you from a country with a monarchy? Because everything of what you have written does not match with the facts.

And when it comes to Duc_et_Pair's comment:

You don't speak Danish, Norwegian or Swedish or do you? And as I and other have told you several times: If the Royals had lived as they did in the 50s and married each other, then the monarchies had been abolished long ago. And as most experts say, and as I am 110% sure of: The UK, Denmark and Norway (if Haakon and Mette-Marit stays away of trouble) will still be monarchies in 2100.

The same with Sweden (although the Swedish monarchy is not as strong as the monarchies mentioned above) and as I also have told you several times before: If the Spanish monarchy should be abolished, it will have notting to say for the UK, Denmark, Norway or Sweden.

And when it comes to me: I have a British Mother who live in the UK wit her family and a Norwegian father who live in Norway with his family. I'm the opposite of conservative and supports the Labour Party both in the UK and Norway, and I was born in 1988.

I am big fan of my two monarch Queen (Elizabeth II) and some of her family members, and King Harald and some of his family members. But I also suports the constitutional monarchy as an institution.


Experts disagree about that too, but the only party that wants a republic (the very small party SV which can be voted out of parliament in the election next year) agree with the other few politicians who support a republic that it should only be done with a referendum, but one expert who supports republic believes that the only way for Norway to become a republic is if the royal family go voluntarily because they can't bear the pressure any longer.

SV has campaigned for a republic since being formed in 1975. They even took it up for vote in Parliament on the day King Olav suffered a stroke in 1990.

They wants a committee who shall come up with how a republic/president should work and then have a referendum.

And to others posters here, it's only the Norwegian monarchy who shall be discussed in this thread.

If there are bad writing in my post, this is because I have difficulty reading what I writes due to dyslexia.
Monarchy lives by the support of the people
In times of crises there will always be more criticism, due to costs

The weakest point about monarchy for me personally is heredity.
And yes, I live in a monarchy and I am a believer in a united Europe (the only way to survive our future problems is to be united) and I don't think that that will be under a european monarch
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Old 05-14-2016, 12:40 PM
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We will wait and see if the existing monarchies have made the right choices indeed to ensure popular support needed to continue their existence ( I dare not to say "reign" as this means nothing at all).

Calling someone "pompous" because of the expressed regret about the disappearance of standards, values and norms which once shaped today's royal and aristocratic families is hmmm... weak.
It is pompous to denounce someone for the sins of their fathers, as in the case of Queen Maxima, a woman who has done nothing to deserve derogatory remarks from anyone. It is pompous to demand that royalty only marry equal to deserve support and a continued position of trust in a society. The Norwegian Crown Princess has worked hard to overcome her start in life, and most Norwegians admire that. I am quite sure the Norwegian monarchy would be neither more or less safe if the Crown Prince had found a royal or serene Princess to marry.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say it might had been a bigger risk to the monarchy, adding to the criticism that it is an elitist and detailed form of government, not belonging to our time.

Whether or not one is regal, is more predicated on personal qualities, abilities and hard work than it is on being born to a certain station in life. One can be more than regal, dignified and hard-working enough to be a valued member of a RF, without being born into one, and in the end, if you're in a position to reign from a RF, you're born into it. The ones who join a RF from the outside, become consorts at the most, and just like born royalty, some of them carry themselves well and a few don't.

You'll find that in any family. Even inter-married, deep blue ones. C'est la vie, non?
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Old 05-14-2016, 12:57 PM
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These remaining European monarchies survived these revolutions, uproars, World Wars with royalborn spouses anyway. In Norway it were Princess Maud of Wales and Princess Märtha of Sweden. In Sweden it were Princess Viktoria von Baden, Princess Margaret of Counnaught, Princess Sibylla von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. Apparently their darkblue-blooded descent was no hindrance for the survival of the monarchies in Norway and Sweden.

Well, that prooves that it is totally irrelevant of what origin spouses are, but if they manage to be popular in their countries.
I don´t hope you favour a "solution" like having been made by the Prince of Wales and his former mistress back in the 1970s for other Royals - we all know how this ended....! Or are you really that naive, that a person being in love simply forgetting his/ her partner just like a press of a button after gotten married a "fitting" partner?!
But I don´t want to go into THAT discussion with you again - there´s just no point.... This is the monarchy vs republic thread!
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This thread isn't about Queen Maxima, Queen Letizia or Prince Daniel. Let's stick to discussing the Norwegian monarchy.
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