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Old 04-05-2016, 05:44 PM
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I was thinking the same thing.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:16 PM
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- More interesting IMO is that the CP couple's staff has increased from 16 in 2003 to 153 in 2016!
In other words the NRF de facto has two full-size courts!

For comparison, (because I don't know the other royal families details off hand) the total number of employees in the DRF is around 130.

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this is very surprising. 153 staff just for the CP family?
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:46 PM
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The Prince of Wales employs the equivalent of 161 full time people, that includes 135 who support Charles, Camilla, William & Kate and Harry and 26 who are personal staff (I guess dressers and valets)

The Royal Household of the UK has a staff of 426 (not including those of the Prince of Wales & his family)

The Swedish Royal Court (all of it including the Crown Couple's staff) totals 203

The cour grand-ducale of Luxembourg has a staff of around 100


I'm just putting these to compare against.


I have to say I'm personally very surprised the the CP family of Norway would have a staff of 153. Whats happened in 13 years to mean their staff have increased over 9 times?

It seems perhaps, that the RF have got away with not having to be as accountable as people thought.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:01 PM
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The newspaper Dagbladet has looked at expenses not listed under NRF. Like the royal yacht (the Ministry of Defence), official trips abroad and expenses regarding the maintenance of quite a few royal properties.
The paper has also estimated the otherwise secret figure for security.
We already knew that there were expenses not listed under NRF - they have been discussed in TV debates several times over the last 20 years and I mentioned it in another thread last year, but we didn't knew the exact sums.
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- More interesting IMO is that the CP couple's staff has increased from 16 in 2003 to 153 in 2016!
In other words the NRF de facto has two full-size courts!

For comparison, (because I don't know the other royal families details off hand) the total number of employees in the DRF is around 130.
This is wrong. The Royal Court increased from 136 to 153 employees between 2002/2014. 20 of these are the CP couple's staff.

This is Dagbladet - Norway's version of the Daily Star, and must be taken with a large pinch of salt. This is just one of their many factual/writing errors.

This is from their article, which you posted in post 17.
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The Crown Prince Couple's staff

The staff consists of approximately 20 people and consists of everything from child care to Crown Princess Mette-Marit's personal adviser Ole Edvard Wold-Reitan. A grant of 18.8 million was given to the staff this year.
From the Royal Court today:
kongehuset.no - Utdypende om kostnadsutviklingen
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Further details about the cost

Dagbladet presents April 3, 2016 figures for the cost of the monarchy. We wants to explain certain aspects of cost.

Dagbladet writes that the salaries of the court have doubled since 2002. This is correct. The overall wage of developments in Norway during the period 2002-2014 has been 61 per cent, while wage growth in the court during the same period has been 70 percent. This is mainly due to two factors:

Firstly, there has been a change of tasks and development of expertise in the court. Secondly, the number of employees in the court increased from 136 to 153. A significant explanation for it is the structure of Crown Prince Couple's staff.

The accumulation of the Crown Prince Couple's staff

Crown Prince Couple were newlyweds 2002, they lived and studied in London. Skaugum was not in use. In 2003, they moved back to Norway. In the following years they built up a professional staff and 11 persons were hired to help them in their official work and with Skaugum as official residence. As a result of this development, the grant to the Crown Prince Couple's staff has doubled.

Developments in appanage

The Crown Prince Couple's appanage has naturally also doubled since 2002. In 2002 the appanage was at NOK 2.5 million and in 2003 it increased to NOK 4.7 million. When they moved into Skaugum in 2003 there was an urgent need to upgrade the building. The two significant measures were replacing piping, and sprinkler systems and fire-doors. The authorities decided to increase the annual appanage of 2 million to interest and principal on a rehabilitation loan on Skaugum, because the state dosen't provides a residence for the heir. The Crown Prince Couple paid for the renovation of the private apartment at Skaugum with private funds. After this the appanage increased roughly with inflation each year. The exceptions are 2007 and 2010 where the appanages of the King/Queen and The Crown Prince Couple was lifted as a result of developments in the management, maintenance and development of property.

We hope this can contribute to greater insight into the question of cost.

04/05/2016
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Old 04-06-2016, 03:17 AM
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Thanks Royal Norway I'm glad someone with a better overall knowledge of the NRF are explaining things.
And thanks Tommy100 as well, that figure makes sense.

And a CP-staff of around 20 sounds a lot more realistic and in line with what similar royals have.

Comparable to Daily Star? That means very left wing, right?

However, what about the calculations Dagbladet made? Unless I got it completely wrong the de facto costs of the NRF are indeed considerably higher than the listed costs.
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Old 04-06-2016, 04:18 AM
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Thanks Royal Norway I'm glad someone with a better overall knowledge of the NRF are explaining things.
And thanks Tommy100 as well, that figure makes sense.

And a CP-staff of around 20 sounds a lot more realistic and in line with what similar royals have.

Comparable to Daily Star? That means very left wing, right?

However, what about the calculations Dagbladet made? Unless I got it completely wrong the de facto costs of the NRF are indeed considerably higher than the listed costs.
I have informed Dagbladet about the error and now they have changed it to another error. They now writes that the staff at the court grew from 16 to 153, which is incorrect. The Court increased from 136 to 153 employees between 2002/2014.

Look at it:
Dagbladet is a gossip newspaper that no one takes seriously here, and they have struggled economically in recent years. They've been after the monarchy for 40 years. They have a story about the royals today too. This time it is the Crown Prince.

And as I said in my above post: We already knew that there were expenses not listed under the NRF - they have been discussed in TV debates several times over the last 20 years and I mentioned it in another thread last year, but we didn't knew the exact sums. I actually thought it was even higher.
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Old 04-06-2016, 04:28 AM
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I see. Thank you.

Considering the prices in Norway and therefore the corresponding salaries that constitutes the largest expense in the NRF household, a cost of only some 230 million kroner did indeed sound very low!
Some 450 million, not counting the lifeguard details is still a fair price IMO.
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I spoke with a friend who works there, and now they have corrected it.
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Dagbladet is a gossip newspaper that no one takes seriously here, and they have struggled economically in recent years. They've been after the monarchy for 40 years. They have a story about the royals today too. This time it is the Crown Prince.
thank you for the extra info Royal Norway.
They are now indeed writing about Haakon and his stock in the company Yara, which he opened in 2004
Kronprins Haakon var d°rňpner for Yara i utlandet. Eier selv ukjente aksjer i selskapet - kultur - Dagbladet.no
Kronprins Haakon informerte ikke om aksjer - hegnar.no

"Dagbladet has also been given Yara's share register. Where is Crown Prince Haakon shareholding of 300 shares.
In 2004, Crown Prince Haakon opener for Yara during an official visit to Thailand, without it has been known that he owns shares in the company.
- This role combination is problematic. Where on one side has interests, and on the other side works to promote Norwegian interests, says Professor Karl Harald S°vig, at the Faculty of Law at the University of Bergen."
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I guess some are still questioning the money for the royal family.
Questions regarding the NRF using taxpayer provided monies for maintenance on the palaces also using this money for their private houses maintenance. ( I used google translate to "read" this so I might have understood it wrong)
Kong Harald og kronprins Haakon bruker hoffets penger p? private hus og hytter - kultur - Dagbladet.no
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I guess some are still questioning the money for the royal family.
Questions regarding the NRF using taxpayer provided monies for maintenance on the palaces also using this money for their private houses maintenance. ( I used google translate to "read" this so I might have understood it wrong)
Kong Harald og kronprins Haakon bruker hoffets penger p? private hus og hytter - kultur - Dagbladet.no
Dagbladet is worse than Ekstra Bladet and Daily Fail combined.

The King/Queen and Haakon/Mette-Marit receives money from the state to cover all their personal expenses including repairs on their private properties.

But now it turns out that they have used the same people as the royal court uses to maintain the state's royal properties to carry out work for them on their own private properties. This is not a problem in itself, but it turns out that these people have been paid by the court for the work they have done on the royal familys private properties.

The government knew about it, and several members of the opposition have now said that they are willing to increase the money that the royal family receives from the state, so this is no biggie.
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thank you Royal Norway
I saw lots of posts on this on twitter but could not quite understand it fully.
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thank you Royal Norway
I saw lots of posts on this on twitter but could not quite understand it fully.
You're very welcome!

Dagbladet is starting to get on my nerves.
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CP Mette-Marit tweeted a photo of Queen Sonja today, June 16:
https://twitter.com/CrownPrincessMM/...86589959720960
"Mother in law explores the book swap cabinet. Bring a book you've read and find you a new in #slottsparken #minbok"

ADD: another photo of Queen Sonja in the park: https://twitter.com/bergastolen/stat...03694922317825
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The NRF has now an account on instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/detnorskekongehus/
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