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Old 03-02-2009, 03:07 PM
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Its curious Leopold's reputation during WWII was not that good; what were Queen Elisabeth's leanings during the two world wars and do you think they influenced her sons at all? She was in a difficult position of her adopted country being at war with her native country. Some queens like Queen Alexandrine of Denmark totally adopted the loyalties of their new country while others retained some loyalties to their native lands.
Queen Elisabeth was a true Queen of Belgium. She organized field hospitals during the First WW. And she was a valiant defender of her son's actions during WWII. She even practically insulted the British government when they accused LIII (unrightfully, because no army could have stopped the Blitzkrieg) of being spineless and giving in too quickly, so many British soldiers couldn't get away in time from the slaughtering.
Of course, the British government wouldn't have minded the numerous Belgian deaths a longer resistance would have caused...

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Was the marriage between the Count of Flanders and Jacqueline Peyrebrune legally valid? I've never understood it...
In the official genealogy of the family, her name isn't mentioned. So I don't think it was valid. Or at least not recognised by the family, which, back then, would have been the same thing, I imagine.
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After reading this, I feel so sorry for him. Betrayed by his family and the people. No wonder he was disappointed.

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Fürstin Taxis,
You are right , books and books were written about him and his relationship with his mother and his brother the King.
Itis the problem of Princes born n°2 , as all is for the heir.
He was en excellent Regent between 1945-1950.
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I´m interested in the family of Duke Carl-Theodor in Bavaria. And of course in Elisabeth. But it make me sad, that Elisabeth prefer Leopold III.
Of course many mothers and fathers have their favourite children. But in this case it was the Queen of Belgium. And in all objectivity, Charles was better as "King". But you can´t change it. Despite of that, Elisabeths is very interesting and was a good Queen.
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I am confused.

Prince Charles was the brother of Leopold...so wasn't he the son of Astrid? Or am I mixing up generations?
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Charles and Leopold are brothers and Leopold was married to Astrid.
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Thats right! Thank you!

I am familiar with Astrid and Leopold thru Astrid. And I know the story of Leopold's second marriage and the results of it. I am mixing up my Leopolds :)
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I am confused.

Prince Charles was the brother of Leopold...so wasn't he the son of Astrid? Or am I mixing up generations?


No. no. prince Charles was the brother of King Leopold III, both sons of King Albert I and his wife Elizabeth of Bavaria (Wittelsbach ). Astrid of Sweden was the wife, and queen, of Leopold III.



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Who is the current Count of Flandern?

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After the death of Prince Charles the title has not been used, and today there isn't a Count of Flanders.
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Thank you!

I thought the second son gets the title, in this case Philipps brother.
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I thought this was the rule as well, but apparently it isn't so. I wonder if it's like the title of Count of Hainaut, that is no longer used due to the linguistic issues in the country.
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Maybe it was bad conscience of the family. I mean Charles was a tragic figure and maybe they realized that, so the title would be never be used again. ??


Count of Hainaut? I didn´t hear of that and looked at wikipedia. It´s quite interesting:

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In the modern Kingdom of Belgium, the title of "Count of Hainaut" was revived by King Albert I of the Belgians as honorific title to be awarded to the eldest son of the heir to the throne (The Duke of Brabant). The only time it was awarded was to Prince Baudouin (later king Baudouin I), the eldest son of Prince Leopold, Duke of Brabant (later king Leopold III). From 1934 onwards the title of Count of Hainaut has no longer been given to the eldest son of a the heir to the throne, and in 2001 King Albert II decided to no longer award courtesy titles such as Count of Flanders, Count of Hainaut and Prince of Liège.

* Baudouin I (1930 - 1934), son of King Leopold III of the Belgians, also King of the Belgians

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Baudouin is not the only one to have carried the title of Count of Hainaut; the title was carried also by Prince Leopold, the only son of King Leopold II, in 1859-1865.
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Philippe and Mathilde , before Princess Elisabeth's birth, announced they will give no tittle to her children. As it was a daughter , the belgian Princesses Marie-Josée, Josephine Charlotte, never got tittles.
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reset of the passwords

During a few days my password was not valid..
Happy now I may log it again without loosing my username and my avatar..
Are they other members having had the same problems ??
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If Prince Charles were married to a woman accepted by the King, so the marriage was not considered morganatic, wold his children have titles of Royal Princes of Belgium and succession rights?
And, after the Prince's death, would the title of Count of Flanders be inherited by his potential son, as the 2nd Count? Was that title given as hereditary?

An one more question...when Charles was the Regent, he was de facto head of state and he could married anyone he wanted, right? Because, as the head of state, he did not need anyone' assent to marry anyone?
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If Prince Charles were married to a woman accepted by the King, so the marriage was not considered morganatic, wold his children have titles of Royal Princes of Belgium and succession rights?
Had he married with the permission of the King, his wifw and children would be Royal Highnesses and Princes(ses) of Belgium, with full succession rights.

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And, after the Prince's death, would the title of Count of Flanders be inherited by his potential son, as the 2nd Count? Was that title given as hereditary?
I'm not sure about this point; just I can tell you that the decree with whom King Albert appinted Charles as Count of Flandres didn't mention the heredity of the title, and when in 1905 the Count of Flandres died, his son (later King Albert I) didn't inherit that title. So I don't think it was an hereditary title.

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An one more question...when Charles was the Regent, he was de facto head of state and he could married anyone he wanted, right? Because, as the head of state, he did not need anyone' assent to marry anyone?
The King doesn't need the consent of anyone for his own marriage; and I guess that this applies also for the regent.
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Titles are given by birth for the King's children. King Baudouin didn't have children and Albert de Liege's children were nephws without any title.
As Philippe and Mathilde knew that their first child was a girl , girls never receive titles , they said they won't give titles to their children ( now girls may be Queens).

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Marie-José wrote in her memories that she was sad to have any tittle she dreamed to be Princess of Congo..
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Titles are given by birth for the King's children. King Baudouin didn't have children and Albert de Liege's children were nephws without any title.
As Philippe and Mathilde knew that their first child was a girl , girls never receive titles , they said they won't give titles to their children ( now girls may be Queens).
Wasn't there also some linguistic issues among the reasons gave by the King when he chose not to give the Count(ess) of Hainaut title to Elisabeth?

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Marie-José wrote in her memories that she was sad to have any tittle she dreamed to be Princess of Congo..
Now I remind this detail, I laughed a lot when I read that passage in the book, the little (4-y-o) princess was so upset because her brothers had their own title and she didn't...
One of my favourite readings!
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