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Old 05-29-2008, 05:50 PM
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As posted by Joris on the Benelux Royals MB:

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Dutch RTL News demands by means of legal summary proceedings full clearity on the real expenses made from public funds on HM's yacht De Groene Draeck which they have asked for a long time ago from the Minister of Defense Van Middelkoop, this in connection with of the Dutch Governance Tranparancy Act (Wet openbaarheid van bestuur). There is still an amount of EUR 120,000 unaccounted for in the audit's report of the Ministry of Justice which was published a while ago and about which Parliament was informed wrongly. RTL News is sick and tired of the relucting attitude from the authorities to provide a specific report accounting for all costs. "Citizens have the right to know what happens with public financial means." The Complaints Commission of the Ministry of Defence agreed with RTL News regarding RTL's demands to give further transparancy.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:59 AM
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It's a lovely sail boat and I agree that it is entirely appropriate for HM Queen Beatrix to use it both for pleasure and on official engagements. I do not believe that the cost of maintaining such a craft would be so high. Here in Britain, we lost the Royal Yacht Britannia because of maintenance costs which were in the millions. It's ashame though because like the Netherlands we are a seafaring nation too.
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:25 AM
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Well, HM's boat is hardly on the same level as the life-saving boats of the Britannia, let alone the Britannia itself. It is just a leisure sailing boat, like many others (who are well-off) have in this country. At the moment the discussion is absent, since everybody is waiting for the PM to come with the promissed financial report. But the PM takes his time, presumably because there are difficulties in getting all the departments to show/find out the exact costs etc.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:53 AM
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Queen beatrix has decided to pay herself for the extra maintanence costs of her sail boat, the 'Groene Draeck', the next two years It is estimated that that will be E. 326.000,- . The ministery of Defence will still pay for the regular upkeep of the boat, which will be E. 47.000,-. Queen Beatrix received the boat as a present for her 18th birthdya, and part of the present was that the state would pay for the upkeep too. However, in 2007 controvercy arose when the costs of the upkeep were published.

A wise decision of HM, another discussion about the costs, especiaslly in a time of economic crisis and budget costs, is the last thing the monarchy needs. Still, I am puzzled why it costs so much money to paint/ clean a boat like this. Many people have simular boats. The upkeep seems almost as expensive as the boat itself would be, if it was on sale.

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Old 07-16-2010, 10:30 AM
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Queen beatrix has decided to pay herself for the extra maintanence costs of her sail boat, the 'Groene Draeck', the next two years It is estimated that that will be E. 326.000,- . The ministery of Defence will still pay for the regular upkeep of the boat, which will be E. 47.000,-. Queen Beatrix received the boat as a present for her 18th birthdya, and part of the present was that the state would pay for the upkeep too. However, in 2007 controvercy arose when the costs of the upkeep were published.

A wise decision of HM, another discussion about the costs, especiaslly in a time of economic crisis and budget costs, is the last thing the monarchy needs. Still, I am puzzled why it costs so much money to paint/ clean a boat like this. Many people have simular boats. The upkeep seems almost as expensive as the boat itself would be, if it was on sale.

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Old 07-16-2010, 03:04 PM
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Along with the British monarch, Queen Beatrix is one of the richest women in the world. When it comes to generosity, perhaps the Dutch sovereign could honour her people by paying for her yacht (the Dutch people are proud their sovereign has a royal yacht, but they have many demands on their own purses) and keeping royal status. I do not know, but is the yacht used for disadvantaged Dutch youngsters when not in use by the royal family? As the clansmen of the great chief McNeil of Bara boasted, "McNeil has his own boat!"
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I don't see why it's sad
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:29 PM
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Just what I was thinking.

The yacht is used for both royal and private events?
Beatrix has decided to pay for some of the costs and the government will pay the other half? Have I got that right.
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In this day and age, when someone who has a great deal, expects people who have far less, to chip in for an extravagance, the sad part is the other way round. If you want a boat, pay for it. Elizabeth could buy multiple yachts and pay for them, she choose not to. It is ridiculous to ask others to pay for your luxury.
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A royal yacht is transport with a lot of prestige. It's exciting to see a Royal Yacht arriving with the flags flying. They can be used for other things besides carrying royal families on vacation. They can be used during Royal tours as meeting spaces for guests and diplomatic events. They're convenient when there are Royal visits to areas with a lot of coast. Britannia was able to be used as a hospital ship if need be.


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It still shoud be paid for by the people who use it. Who buys your car?
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Old 07-17-2010, 02:41 PM
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It still shoud be paid for by the people who use it. Who buys your car?
Yes, but if you use it for work purposes? Wouldn't you want some kind of payment for having to use it for work rather than just personal use?
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Old 07-17-2010, 03:09 PM
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But when it costs more to repair than to buy a new one, imo it's just a whim. And if it is only going to be used for personal activities the royals should pay for it.
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Is it only going to be used for personal activities? Or is it used for royal events as well?
But this one has sentimental value to Queen Beatrix, replacing it for money reasons is a bit mean.
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The boat is mostly used for private trips and only - occasionally - used by the Queen or the Prince of Orange in their official capacity, like when they are viewing 'Sailing Amsterdam' for example.
I can understand that it has a sentimental value, but there must be an equilibrium between real needs and whims. Imo if it's so costly and the queen wants to maintain the boat she should pay it herself.
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When businesses supply cars, they can ONLY be used for business and if they are used for personal use, you have to pay them a hefty sum. It is very easy to say this is sentimental or that and they use it here or there, but the realistic conclusion is very wealthy people want very expensive toys to be paid for by those who have a lot less. All of these families can welll aford a yacht, if they really want one.
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It is always nice when you don't have to pay...I think that while we love reading about the royals, in this day and age, the royals are outdated. People have to pay for their status and the wellbeing of their children (royal children). I think that if they are healthy, then they should work like any of us. My mother in law who is Dutch disagrees. She loves her queen and believes strongly that she deserves all she gets...however, she does not live in Holland anylonger and does not have to pay for any of that. I have mixed feelings about this...I think it is taking advantage of her people in a way.
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I like Beatrix very much, too. Wonderful lady, but in todays' day and age, everyone who can, takes care of themselves and those who have the most should, certainly, take care of themselves and their luxuries.
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100,000 isn't a lot to maintain that boat considering how much yachts cost large yachts cost upwards of a million dollars to maintain a year . Since the country give it to her as a gift they should continue to pay for it.
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I like Beatrix very much, too. Wonderful lady, but in todays' day and age, everyone who can, takes care of themselves and those who have the most should, certainly, take care of themselves and their luxuries.
That's not the point.She was given the ship on her 18th by the Dutch people,WITH the maintainance included for the rest of her life.That was the gift.Left wing non entities and what not should hush and care about what really matters in this country in the first place,but having said that,the extreme cost of this dinky toy of a ship are not and were not due to HM.

The Ministry of Defence takes care of maintainance and decided apparently to hire all sorts of folks for all sorts of prices and all took the opportunity to fill their pockets big time.The ship looked spic and span last time I saw it,three weeks ago in Muiden,yes,but I question the folks at the ministry who are in charge for the money sqandering.Not blaming HM for anything in this matter.At all.
And she,sick as she is of these brussels sprouts here decided wholeheartedly to take up the costs herself.And for a lot less I'm sure
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