Princess Iman and Princess Raiyah: News and Pictures Part 2

[Lindy80]

No, they'd have to deal with being wife number two, or three, or four though.

[houri]

Originally Posted by Lindy80

No, they'd have to deal with being wife number two, or three, or four though.

This not the case with every an arab prince :)
and prince or not prince an arab or not an arab muslim or not muslim when a man want to have a relation with other women no thing will stop him

[Lords]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

I'd love Iman and Raiyah to marry 2 Royal Princes, but the Royal Princes are all from Europe and they are christians.... I wonder if the 2 sis are religious......could they get married to a Christian Prince and so not be Muslims anymore, what would it happen '

Originally Posted by rollin_keef

Good question Emily

I have tried to answer the question in post #3 but since my English is poor and my knowledge of Islam is week, am hoping that someone with better knowledge of Islam would answer.

Originally Posted by elizahawthorne

see post #3 of this thread for an answer to that question

Thank you for referring to my post, obviously here at TRF am "babbling" and asking so many questions that members skip my post immediately!

[Lords]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

I wonder if the 2 sis are religious...... '

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing when I talked about her wardrobe, she wears the same black paints in most of the pictures, since she was 16, and I thought she dresses like this just in Jordan to follow the traditions, not to get criticized over her inappropriate wardrobe but she isn't like that in the US. I think her wardrobe is different than what is expected from a girl in her age, or is it because she is religious? Though I strongly believe appearance has nothing to do with the level of how religious the person is.

Also, are they allowed to have bfs? Sorry if this post is offensive.

[Lords]

One more thing to clear about Iman's marriage. Since members here talk about the tensed relationship between KA and QN, I was wondering how things will be when Iman is getting married since she can't marry without KA's approval. After her father's death, KA is her "Wali", the person she is under his custody to get married. A Wali is the usually the older brother so in Iman's case, it's KA. Neither of Hamzah or Hashim could be her Wali as long as KA is alive, the custody moves to the next older brother and so on. The case of a moving custody is by the death of a Wali or the decision of the Wali himself to let go his custody to the next older and this should be made in a court in a legal document.

So if Hamzah would be Iman's Wali, the custody should move from KA to Faisal to Ali then Hamzah.

Hope things will be alright when Iman is getting married, am afraid of a disagreement between KA and QA over who is good enough and qualified to be Iman's husband.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by Lords

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing when I talked about her wardrobe, she wears the same black paints in most of the pictures, since she was 16, and I thought she dresses like this just in Jordan to follow the traditions, not to get criticized over her inappropriate wardrobe but she isn't like that in the US. I think her wardrobe is different than what is expected from a girl in her age, or is it because she is religious? Though I strongly believe appearance has nothing to do with the level of how religious the person is.

Also, are they allowed to have bfs? Sorry if this post is offensive.

I do believe Iman is very terrified some1 in Jordan could criticize her, she's aware her mum , herself and her sis plus her 2 bros are not so loved in Jordan and that KA and qR would strongly see them in exile, so she is just very careful, she can't wear a mini- skirt or short pants, in jordan, ppl would soon criticize her and her family, that would advantage KA and QR.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by Lords

The issue is complicated, the short answer would be that she will get a death penalty; this is what Islam punishes Muslims who convert from Islam to another religion. Islam doesn't force people to embrace the religion, yet it had rules and regulations prohibiting a person from converting. However, the death penalty is not the first choice, a person is given a time to think it over and Imams try to talk the person out of it, after being fully assured he is willing to convert.

In Iman's case it would really be complicated, she is from a royal family that is a descent of the prophet (PBUH), and it would be a disaster if she ever considered converting to another religion. I don't think she would receive the death penalty if, God forbids, she decided to convert to Islam. I really hope she won't be in such situation where she has to convert to get married to a non Muslim; the acceptable solution is the male converting to Islam.


I believe she should marry a half Arab, half American guy, a mixture of two cultures just like her.

can she marry a Christian guy and stay a Muslim, so none of them, herself and her groom have to convert?

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by Lords

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing when I talked about her wardrobe, she wears the same black paints in most of the pictures, since she was 16, and I thought she dresses like this just in Jordan to follow the traditions, not to get criticized over her inappropriate wardrobe but she isn't like that in the US. I think her wardrobe is different than what is expected from a girl in her age, or is it because she is religious? Though I strongly believe appearance has nothing to do with the level of how religious the person is.

Also, are they allowed to have bfs? Sorry if this post is offensive.

I don't think she wears like this because of tradition,she probably wears trendy cloths and is into fashion,but she likes to look simple and classical like Queen Noor,which we respect.
In jordan,most of the girls who are between the age of 12 and 30, are trendy (like really trendy,low waist jeans,backless,low cut tops....etc) and can find so many good places here to shop from and most of them are branches and chains for the best places in the world in terms of fashion and trendiness

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by Lords

One more thing to clear about Iman's marriage. Since members here talk about the tensed relationship between KA and QN, I was wondering how things will be when Iman is getting married since she can't marry without KA's approval. After her father's death, KA is her "Wali", the person she is under his custody to get married. A Wali is the usually the older brother so in Iman's case, it's KA. Neither of Hamzah or Hashim could be her Wali as long as KA is alive, the custody moves to the next older brother and so on. The case of a moving custody is by the death of a Wali or the decision of the Wali himself to let go his custody to the next older and this should be made in a court in a legal document.

So if Hamzah would be Iman's Wali, the custody should move from KA to Faisal to Ali then Hamzah.

Hope things will be alright when Iman is getting married, am afraid of a disagreement between KA and QA over who is good enough and qualified to be Iman's husband.

I don't think KA (her Wali as u mentioned) will stand against her well,and I also don't think their relationship is this tense,he's still responsible for all of them,whether married or not .

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

I do believe Iman is very terrified some1 in Jordan could criticize her, she's aware her mum , herself and her sis plus her 2 bros are not so loved in Jordan and that KA and qR would strongly see them in exile, so she is just very careful, she can't wear a mini- skirt or short pants, in jordan, ppl would soon criticize her and her family, that would advantage KA and QR.

Of course they will criticize her, but not because as u said QN, her sons, and daughters are aware Jordanians don't like them, this is so UNTRUE! one of the major reasons that was behind what happened to Hamzah , is him becoming very popular among the people of Jordan and the Army....



WE do wear trendy clothes here in Jordan, but we don't have to wear mini skirts and a bra to look trendy, each country has it's culture. don't forget were an Islamic country after all, and if the descendents of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) were bad examples (God Forbids) then u can't blame all Muslims if they wore inappropriate clothes or got involved in inappropriate manners.

The Royal family has to be aware of the fact that people do take them as examples, they should be good examples, and I think Queen Noor and her children are VERY AWARE of this fact elhamdullah. They have been very good examples.

[rollin_keef]

This may be a stupid question so i apolagise, but could P Iman or other female family members become say prime minister of Jordan?

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by rollin_keef

This may be a stupid question so i apolagise, but could P Iman or other female family members become say prime minister of Jordan?

it's not a stupid question,don't worry,cuz in the gulf, Emirs and shiekhs can become ministers and PM's,but here in Jordan I don't think any member of the Royal family can take a post in Gov. sectors ,they can't become ministers or PM whether female or male (anyone correct me if I'm wrong).

[Zara04]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

can she marry a Christian guy and stay a Muslim, so none of them, herself and her groom have to convert?

In a Muslim home the husband is the head of the household. Chlldren are raised to be Muslim. It is very hard to do this if the wife is Muslim and the husband is not. Therefore, a Muslim woman really is required to marry a Muslim man. A Muslim man may marry a Chiristian or Jewish woman as long as it is agreed that the children will be raised Muslim. (However, I never understood this b/c children from a Jewish woman are always considered Jewish)....I'm not saying this always happens. I've read about children chosing to be Muslim even if their mother is Muslim and their father is Christian or Jewish orof another faith.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by lil Monkey

Of course they will criticize her, but not because as u said QN, her sons, and daughters are aware Jordanians don't like them, this is so UNTRUE! one of the major reasons that was behind what happened to Hamzah , is him becoming very popular among the people of Jordan and the Army....



WE do wear trendy clothes here in Jordan, but we don't have to wear mini skirts and a bra to look trendy, each country has it's culture. don't forget were an Islamic country after all, and if the descendents of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) were bad examples (God Forbids) then u can't blame all Muslims if they wore inappropriate clothes or got involved in inappropriate manners.

The Royal family has to be aware of the fact that people do take them as examples, they should be good examples, and I think Queen Noor and her children are VERY AWARE of this fact elhamdullah. They have been very good examples.

in fact, I was simply saying Iman is surely aware of being a Muslim Princess, and when in Jordan she wears in a different way, surely she wears diff clothes when in US- f.i. any veil who covers the face was forbidden in my country to Muslim female pupils, when in school, and some politicians want to forbid Muslim women to wear a veil in the streets as they can't be easily identified- as for QN, she only wears Jordanian clothes when in Jordan, so Hamzah, at least I think so, as we never c any pix of him when in US, I heard he's in Qatar, what's he doing there ?

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by Zara04

In a Muslim home the husband is the head of the household. Chlldren are raised to be Muslim. It is very hard to do this if the wife is Muslim and the husband is not. Therefore, a Muslim woman really is required to marry a Muslim man. A Muslim man may marry a Chiristian or Jewish woman as long as it is agreed that the children will be raised Muslim. (However, I never understood this b/c children from a Jewish woman are always considered Jewish)....I'm not saying this always happens. I've read about children chosing to be Muslim even if their mother is Muslim and their father is Christian or Jewish orof another faith.

I think a Jewish is always a Jewish though he can become a Christian or a muslim.

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

I think a Jewish is always a Jewish though he can become a Christian or a muslim.

yes - thats right.cause jewish doesnt mean only the religion.

[Lindy80]

Jewish does mean only the religion. However, if Jews "convert" we still consider them Jewish--as does a lot of the world (witness the "Jewish cardinal" in France, or is he in Austria? Lustiger I think is his name).

[Alexandria]

Please get back on topic ...

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

in fact, I was simply saying Iman is surely aware of being a Muslim Princess, and when in Jordan she wears in a different way, surely she wears diff clothes when in US- f.i. any veil who covers the face was forbidden in my country to Muslim female pupils, when in school, and some politicians want to forbid Muslim women to wear a veil in the streets as they can't be easily identified- as for QN, she only wears Jordanian clothes when in Jordan, so Hamzah, at least I think so, as we never c any pix of him when in US, I heard he's in Qatar, what's he doing there ?

Qatar?? Who told u that?ummmm

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alexandria

Please get back on topic ...

Thanks you