Prince Hashem- News and Pictures III

[Reina]

Sorry, I only saw that pic from AL Ra'i

[Humera]

Originally Posted by madonna23

i remember reading that imran khan - a pakistani politician - started wearing traditional clothing and he quickly established legitamacy...

it's a very smart politcal move...either that or he just finds the clothes more comfortable!! :)

it also might have a lot to do with Imran's spiritual awakening, which is what made him go into politics in the first place, as he has recently claimed in an interview. He met a sufi mystic in Lahore, a meeting which he says led to deep introspection, a reconnection with his faith and a desire to work for others. Something Im not surprised at given the fact that he comes across as an idealist, a strange quality for a politician to have to say the least. And besides, Pakistani politics isnt simple enough for someone to establish legitimacy merely by wearing the shalwar kameez. Trust me. President Musharraf wears his uniform most of the time and most people still love him. Honestly, I sometimes wonder at the minds of the people who write such articles. They need to get out more.

If Hashem prefers to wear traditional garb I wouldnt automatically attribute it to some sort of hidden motive (my words, you didnt say that I know:))
He is more arab than anything else and it would be natural for him to have an attachement to his roots. It reminds me of someone else in the JRF who wears traditional clothing a lot...Prince Talal I believe.

[jordan_frist]

[quote=~*~Humera~*~Prince Talal I believe.[/QUOTE]

Ghazi is the one you mean. I think that P. Hashem has grown to find his identity and finds what he is comfortable in. So i guess that is my assesment. I haven't seen him recently in other clothes. i'll keep an eye and see.

[madonna23]

it also might have a lot to do with Imran's spiritual awakening, which is what made him go into politics in the first place, as he has recently claimed in an interview. He met a sufi mystic in Lahore, a meeting which he says led to deep introspection, a reconnection with his faith and a desire to work for others. Something Im not surprised at given the fact that he comes across as an idealist, a strange quality for a politician to have to say the least. And besides, Pakistani politics isnt simple enough for someone to establish legitimacy merely by wearing the shalwar kameez. Trust me. President Musharraf wears his uniform most of the time and most people still love him. Honestly, I sometimes wonder at the minds of the people who write such articles. They need to get out more.

If Hashem prefers to wear traditional garb I wouldnt automatically attribute it to some sort of hidden motive (my words, you didnt say that I know:))
He is more arab than anything else and it would be natural for him to have an attachement to his roots. It reminds me of someone else in the JRF who wears traditional clothing a lot...Prince Talal I believe

Hi Humera...i know this is kind of a tangent but yes, while clothing is certainly not enough to establish legitamacy by itself, it certainly plays a large part of it. imran khan - unlike president musharraf, i think, needs to establish legitmacy because he's considered very westernized...maybe due to his british wife...so it think wearing traditional clothes is a way to reject that stereotype and say - even if i have - or did have - a british wife, i'm still pakistani...

i think a better example would be president karzai of afghanistan. there's a reason why he - and maybe not other political leaders - needs to wear tradtional dress all the time...if afghans consider him a u.s. puppet, then wearing afghan clothing is a way to subtley challenge that portrayal and establish legitamacy with the local poplulation...it's a way to say: I'm with you, the Afghans, not with the Americans.

coming back to hashem, i don't think that he has a hidden agenda when he's wearing traditional robes...i mean, people aren't going to say let's make hashem king because he wears jordanian clothing more often than King Abdullah...i think it's just a way he personally feels he can better connect with the jordaniain population than say, if he was in a western suit. i think it has political and social benefits...plus it's a way to reaffirm his identity both to himself and others.

[Aingeal]

Originally Posted by madonna23

Coming back to hashem, i don't think that he has a hidden agenda when he's wearing traditional robes...i mean, people aren't going to say let's make hashem king because he wears jordanian clothing more often than King Abdullah...i think it's just a way he personally feels he can better connect with the jordaniain population than say, if he was in a western suit. i think it has political and social benefits...plus it's a way to reaffirm his identity both to himself and others.

I agree with you Madonna23

[Humera]

Originally Posted by madonna23

Hi Humera...i know this is kind of a tangent but yes, while clothing is certainly not enough to establish legitamacy by itself, it certainly plays a large part of it. imran khan - unlike president musharraf, i think, needs to establish legitmacy because he's considered very westernized...maybe due to his british wife...so it think wearing traditional clothes is a way to reject that stereotype and say - even if i have - or did have - a british wife, i'm still pakistani...

i think a better example would be president karzai of afghanistan. there's a reason why he - and maybe not other political leaders - needs to wear tradtional dress all the time...if afghans consider him a u.s. puppet, then wearing afghan clothing is a way to subtley challenge that portrayal and establish legitamacy with the local poplulation...it's a way to say: I'm with you, the Afghans, not with the Americans.

coming back to hashem, i don't think that he has a hidden agenda when he's wearing traditional robes...i mean, people aren't going to say let's make hashem king because he wears jordanian clothing more often than King Abdullah...i think it's just a way he personally feels he can better connect with the jordaniain population than say, if he was in a western suit. i think it has political and social benefits...plus it's a way to reaffirm his identity both to himself and others.

yes I see what you're saying. I wouldnt say he was considered as much westernized as a playboy. It wasn't just western actresses and artocratic women he was connected with but also asian. And people still loved him then. While clothing may play a small part I wouldnt give it as much of an importance. Maybe I cant explain it properly but I know it isnt the case because I grew up in the culture and know how most people think and perceive politicians. Anyway, like I said, his change had more to do with his spiritual rebirth so to speak which is, as I said, what led to politics in the first place. So the change didnt come after politics but before it. Besides, In Pakistan everyone wears traditional clothing.
But I guess we should be talking about this as this thread's about Prince Hashem.
I dont think the discussion about Hashem wearing traditional clothing is so complicated. Many people who come from two cultures, like myself (born in one and living in another) incorporate elements from both in their lives. I dress one way at home and another outside. To me its completely natural. Im not doing it to be closer to one culture or my "roots," but, like many south asians, I have an attachment to that aspect of my upbringing which is considered second-nature and there's no question that one will wear traditional clothing.
But perhaps Im looking at it from my point of view. Hashem's situation might be considered different because most people in the ME have given up their traditional clothing in favour of western wear, a transition that has been taking place for decades now. So I can see why some people would perceive Hashem's choice of dress differently. Maybe it is his way of distinguishing himself or perhaps its just personal preference, who knows.

[ShksprNLov]

All of you had really intelligent ideas that I agree with. To add in my two cents, I think he is tapping into his heritage and all that, but sometimes, I think he just looks in the mirror and says, I look good in this and thus I shall wear it. But that's just a simplified reason and to add in some humor. :)

[Reina]

YEa! Finalmente! You can see him in the background. WHy did they not show him in the other newspapers? I had to fish aorund alghad for this

[Aingeal]

Could someone tell me who theis is pictured with PH? I found the picture in thread #1 for PH. Thanks!

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...chmentid=89515

[Reina]

I believe that is PGhazi. (they both look like Jesus to me!)

[Aingeal]

Thank you Reina! I wasn't sure...

They are both very handsome!

[madonna23]

Does anyone know if Hashem have a closer relationship with the king than Hamzah? It certainly seems that way doesn't it?

[marmarina]

i didnt read queen noor book iam trying 2 find it in egypt but i cant find it
so i want 2 know if queen noor said anything about prince hashim in her book

[Cresk]

I've read the book of Queen Noor,( Leap of Faith) Biography and she really didn't talk much about her children especially Prince Hashim, only about the time when she had a state visit to England and meet with Duchess of York ( Sarah Furgieson) and the Iman and Hashim were surpose to go but had to go to hospitial for their Tonsils to be taken out. She did mention about her and the older kids didnt get along well and there was alot of competition between the kids when they were teenages, but I think thats in the past now. I believe now there older enough to understand that their father treated them as equals and not just favoured one child and compared them with others.

I think it was hard for the kids to get along because they had different mothers and it must be hard to except a different step mother and still maintain your real mother. However I believe their done well to keep all together and once they got older they excepted alot more of each and become alot closer to.

[Reina]

SInce this thread does not generate alot of discussion I am goin gto start one by asking a controversial question:

Does PHashim really have a unibrow?

[jordan_frist]

Originally Posted by Reina

SInce this thread does not generate alot of discussion I am goin gto start one by asking a controversial question:

Does PHashim really have a unibrow?

why is this a controversial question?

if you want to know...look at his pics

[Reina]

Well if someone else were asking the questions I would get mad cuz I like him so. But I have thought about it and I have come to terms that he may have a unibrow. But he is still the cutest!

[Bluebelle]

Originally Posted by ShksprNLov

Salaam jordan_frist! Does anyone have any ideas on why Hashim is so into the traditional dress besides the fact that he looks so good in it?

it makes him look more Jordanian !!
i like his ensembles!

[Bluebelle]

Originally Posted by Reina

I believe that is PGhazi. (they both look like Jesus to me!)

that's exactly what i think when i see them,they look similar and both have that Jesus look goin on.

[Alicky]

Jesus look lol! :)

Does anyone know how tall Prince Hashem is? I know he's taller than Queen Noor, and she tends to tower over people herself. I've seen pics of him looking taller than Prince Faisal too.