Prince Hamzah & Princess Noor News & Photos, Part V

[Lyonnaise]

Here's the new thread for Hamzah and Noor. Happy posting. You can find the old thread by following this link P. Hamzah & P. Noor- News & Picture Thread, Part IV

[kinneret5764]

Well let's get things started. Time Magazine's take on P. Hamzah's dismissal:

Notebook | Jordan Long Live The King
Palace intrigue in Jordan

By SCOTT MACLEOD AND HASSAN FATTAH


Sunday, Dec. 05, 2004
Succession plots are brewing inside Jordan's Hashemite dynasty. Reversing a deathbed wish of the late King Hussein, King Abdullah II stunned his subjects last week by summoning Crown Prince Hamzah — his half brother — from a holiday and abruptly sacking him as heir to the throne. "It was a complete surprise," said Mustafa Hamarneh, a prominent Jordanian political analyst.

Hamzah, eldest son of the late King Hussein and American-born Queen Noor, nearly succeeded Hussein in 1999 when the monarch, dying of cancer, dismissed his brother, longtime Crown Prince Hassan. So close was Hamzah to his father that even Abdullah, then a 36-year-old military officer, assumed that his younger half brother, then 18, would get the royal nod. But roughly two weeks before his death, Hussein opted for Abdullah's maturity and experience — but made it clear that he should in turn make Hamzah his crown prince and "critical partner." Abdullah acceded, but never truly accepted Hamzah. Abdullah, for example, never gave Hamzah important tasks — or even a ranking seat at the official dining table.

Though Jordan's royals have publicly united around the latest switch, tongues are still wagging about this new burst of palace infighting. In his dismissal letter, Abdullah said he had decided to "free" the Sandhurst graduate of his "symbolic" post in order to let him undertake unspecified responsibilities and missions. Hamzah's terse reply quoted a Koranic verse, saying simply, "Obey ... those charged with authority."

Abdullah said he would now give the Hashemite vacancy his "sincere attention." Many assume that he always wanted his own bloodline to succeed him. Until he formally announces a new crown prince, 10-year-old Hussein, the eldest of Abdullah's three children with Queen Rania, will be the Kingdom's de facto No. 2.

[Reina]

Urrrrrr...this makes me soooooooooooooooo mad! I sometimes wish that KH would have just name Hamzah as king, but he was too young. It is just fate that KH had to die so early. But still KA did not honor his father's wishes at all!!!! WHat a shame.

[Humera]

I think that King Abdullah should officially name his son Hussein Crown Prince.
There's not point in pretending anymore. And I dont think age should matter.
Morocco's crown prince is not even two years old. Once Moulay Hassan was born, he automatically replaced his uncle as crown prince. That's how straightforward these things should be. Then there would be no nonsense about favourites.
The Sultan of Brunei has 10 kids, one less than the late King Hussein, and from two different wives. But there was no question of who would succeed him, his eldest son.
Why should the Jordanian monarchy be any different from the rest of the monarchies around the world?

[Moon]

"Why should the Jordanian monarchy be any different from the rest of the monarchies around the world?"

because Men listen too much to women in that family:p

[maryshawn]

I had to chuckle! Where does she talk about THIS? Seems out of character......OK, I didn't listen to interview but hopefully she is talking about others experiencing it due to health conditions?????? I heard enough about Jemima Khan's intestinal issues and her life living on pomegranate juice and cadbury chocolates in Pakistan!!!!!!!

[maryshawn]

You'd asked why Muna was allowed to stay in Jordan while Dina was virtually exiled to Cairo for six years. I think it may have to do with the fact KH grew up and realized his treatment of Dina was not right and proper OR he was so focused on Alia he didn't care where she lived...... I do know Muna had a lovely home in the DC area, I believe, so she could keep her eye on their children while attending school there. I think there was one in London too.....so was she really around or did she quietly make herself scarce? I don't know; these are theories.

[Candy_Princess]

Originally Posted by maryshawn

I had to chuckle! Where does she talk about THIS? Seems out of character......OK, I didn't listen to interview but hopefully she is talking about others experiencing it due to health conditions?????? I heard enough about Jemima Khan's intestinal issues and her life living on pomegranate juice and cadbury chocolates in Pakistan!!!!!!!

LMFRAO!!
r -as royal
anyway no,she was talking about kids suffering from d.infections,so i remembered a Tom Green show i watched few days ago on MTV and he had e.d.
so i just thought it wouldn't be surprising if Hamzah ends up with one too due too all that stress ha has to deal with lately.:o
yuck

[Humera]

Originally Posted by Moon

"Why should the Jordanian monarchy be any different from the rest of the monarchies around the world?"

because Men listen too much to women in that family:p

well that seems to be one explanation.
While women have caused enough problems by meddling in the succession of various thrones throughout history, I just dont expect that sort of thing to happen in the 20th and 21st centuries.

[tipper]

Originally Posted by maryshawn

You'd asked why Muna was allowed to stay in Jordan while Dina was virtually exiled to Cairo for six years. I think it may have to do with the fact KH grew up and realized his treatment of Dina was not right and proper OR he was so focused on Alia he didn't care where she lived...... I do know Muna had a lovely home in the DC area, I believe, so she could keep her eye on their children while attending school there. I think there was one in London too.....so was she really around or did she quietly make herself scarce? I don't know; these are theories.

She and her father got back to Jordan when all her kids had grown up and chose to live there, I wonder if she wanted to be by her kids, or she'd rather be there to be a burden and a bother to Queen Noor and to KH.PS- have u noticed that she's been quoted in petra news every day since Hamzah's dismissal? Even everyday pix on the site.

[tipper]

Originally Posted by kinneret5764

Well let's get things started. Time Magazine's take on P. Hamzah's dismissal:

Notebook | Jordan Long Live The King
Palace intrigue in Jordan

By SCOTT MACLEOD AND HASSAN FATTAH


Sunday, Dec. 05, 2004
Succession plots are brewing inside Jordan's Hashemite dynasty. Reversing a deathbed wish of the late King Hussein, King Abdullah II stunned his subjects last week by summoning Crown Prince Hamzah — his half brother — from a holiday and abruptly sacking him as heir to the throne. "It was a complete surprise," said Mustafa Hamarneh, a prominent Jordanian political analyst.

Hamzah, eldest son of the late King Hussein and American-born Queen Noor, nearly succeeded Hussein in 1999 when the monarch, dying of cancer, dismissed his brother, longtime Crown Prince Hassan. So close was Hamzah to his father that even Abdullah, then a 36-year-old military officer, assumed that his younger half brother, then 18, would get the royal nod. But roughly two weeks before his death, Hussein opted for Abdullah's maturity and experience — but made it clear that he should in turn make Hamzah his crown prince and "critical partner." Abdullah acceded, but never truly accepted Hamzah. Abdullah, for example, never gave Hamzah important tasks — or even a ranking seat at the official dining table.

Though Jordan's royals have publicly united around the latest switch, tongues are still wagging about this new burst of palace infighting. In his dismissal letter, Abdullah said he had decided to "free" the Sandhurst graduate of his "symbolic" post in order to let him undertake unspecified responsibilities and missions. Hamzah's terse reply quoted a Koranic verse, saying simply, "Obey ... those charged with authority."

Abdullah said he would now give the Hashemite vacancy his "sincere attention." Many assume that he always wanted his own bloodline to succeed him. Until he formally announces a new crown prince, 10-year-old Hussein, the eldest of Abdullah's three children with Queen Rania, will be the Kingdom's de facto No. 2.

I've been reading lots of newspapers about Hamzah's dismissal- 1 went on- KA feared of being upstaged- so, Hamzah did not even have a ranking seat at the official dining table, well, I can remember that in the 1st year, til the end of 2000, Hamzah was always sitting by KA- all newspapers state that Hamzah has always have been sidelined by his brother.

[tipper]

Originally Posted by Reina

Urrrrrr...this makes me soooooooooooooooo mad! I sometimes wish that KH would have just name Hamzah as king, but he was too young. It is just fate that KH had to die so early. But still KA did not honor his father's wishes at all!!!! WHat a shame.

Reina, KH was King when he was only 20, Hamzah was not too young, he was almost 19, I bet he would have been able to be the country leader, KH was too cautious, and too trusty, maybe he did not know his son Abdullah so well, as he had always been abroad til the age of about 23 or 24,or was he older when he got back to Jordan ?, he assumed Abdullah would have never overridden a promise to his father-

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by tipper

She and her father got back to Jordan when all her kids had grown up and chose to live there, I wonder if she wanted to be by her kids, or she'd rather be there to be a burden and a bother to Queen Noor and to KH.PS- have u noticed that she's been quoted in petra news every day since Hamzah's dismissal? Even everyday pix on the site.

I am appalled at the way some people view Princess Muna. This lady was married at the tender age of 19 (quite a common thing in the early 60's mind you) and eleven yrs later at age 30 she was divorced. She never remarried and now that she can she is quietly dedicating her time and energy to various organizations and charities in Jordan. What's the big deal? To say she would have been a burden on KH and QN back in the day is to me quite terrible. Why?

[Humera]

Originally Posted by tipper

She and her father got back to Jordan when all her kids had grown up and chose to live there, I wonder if she wanted to be by her kids, or she'd rather be there to be a burden and a bother to Queen Noor and to KH.PS- have u noticed that she's been quoted in petra news every day since Hamzah's dismissal? Even everyday pix on the site.

Princess Muna's pictures have always appeared on Petra. She has been carrying out various official duties in Jordan for a while now. It has nothing to do with Prince Hamzah's dismissal. She was at the opening of Parliament last year as well. Its one thing to be partial but another to twist everything out of context and systematically slander every member of King Abdullah's family.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by julial

shrewd Rania
I can not believe how bitchy this woman is. She is so canning as to get rid of both Noor and Hamza. Abdullah seems to listen to everything Rania says-is Rania so smart? Or does she have some brain assistant(just like Bush having all the support from the cabinet.- ) can someone tell me why Rania can outdo everyone, including her husband?

I just saw this post at the Hamzah and Noor thread part IV. Since it's now closed I will reply to it here:

Firstly, I do not understand how you got away with calling someone "bitchy" on this forum. Perhaps you haven't read your forum guidelines yet?

Secondly, Queen Rania is plainly human given the criticism she regularly receives here. As for outdoing her husband in the brains department, that's open for debate. King Abdullah is very smart. Have you ever seen him on Meet the Press or Capitol Report?

[Humera]

Originally Posted by Balqis

I just saw this post at the Hamzah and Noor thread part IV. Since it's now closed I will reply to it here:

Firstly, I do not understand how you got away with calling someone "bitchy" on this forum. Perhaps you haven't read your forum guidelines yet?

Secondly, Queen Rania is plainly human given the criticism she regularly receives here. As for outdoing her husband in the brains department, that's open for debate. King Abdullah is very smart. Have you ever seen him on Meet the Press or Capitol Report?

I think there are a lot of ticked off people on this board ever since King Abdullah stripped Prince Hamzah of his title. They've got to take it out on some one. And Rania seems to be the easiest and most obvious target. Although I dont understand why everybody seems to think that she's the only woman in the Jordanian royal family who has promoted the interests of her own son. Go figure.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Balqis

I just saw this post at the Hamzah and Noor thread part IV. Since it's now closed I will reply to it here:

Firstly, I do not understand how you got away with calling someone "bitchy" on this forum. Perhaps you haven't read your forum guidelines yet?

Secondly, Queen Rania is plainly human given the criticism she regularly receives here. As for outdoing her husband in the brains department, that's open for debate. King Abdullah is very smart. Have you ever seen him on Meet the Press or Capitol Report?

Balquis not everyone reads the guidelines! Most of us just skip them and get to the good stuff.

Just because King Abdullah appears in Meet the press and Capitol Report, It doesn't make him a very smart person.

[Banadoora]

Is this P. Noor Hamzah or one of her sisters?

It's Princess Noor.

[cut1me]

Originally Posted by tipper