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Old 02-09-2005, 06:38 AM
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this is from angelfire site

You might see Prince Ali smiling & laughing a lot, but if you look carefully into his beautiful eyes, you'll always find a sadness within them! He is probably the most sensitive one among his brothers and sisters. You'll surely see that when you read the following poem he wrote after the death of his father…

"Someone once told me that; "...The most important thing in life is to work your hardest, to try your very best, regardless of all the setbacks or difficulties that may occur, Only then can you live with yourself and with God." Now there does not pass a moment night or day, when I do not think of God and hear those words beating with every pulse of my heart and the melodious voice of the person who shared them with me, as his forefathers shared them with him, ringing in my ears... And there does not come a moment when I do not look into the sky or indeed at anything beautiful and am not reminded of him whom I loved most in life and find a joy in the knowledge that he is finally reunited with Her whom I loved most and all the others whom I've loved and lost... And a settling peace reigns where confusion often lays.... A solemn vow to try and live up to a legacy and in every action continue what has already been started so that he will never have really died... And when my time comes I will have at least have tried my best and my brothers and family will at least have tried their best. God Bless".
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In that poem he wrote, Ali made a slight reference to his father loving Alia the most. I think.
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Old 02-08-2006, 05:23 AM
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Prince Ali's poem about his parents

yesterday was KHussein 7th death anniversary

this is PA's poem to his father , he loved him the most , poor Ali tomorrow is his mother death anniversary too , its a hard time for him :(

he is so sensitive when i read his poem i can't not to cry :(



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Here is the poem that Prince Ali wrote on the Death of his father King Hussein. Isn't it sad????

http://www.angelfire.com/in2/thewindsors5/alipoem.html
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yesterday was KHussein 7th death anniversary

this is PA's poem to his father , he loved him the most , poor Ali tomorrow is his mother death anniversary too , its a hard time for him :(

http://www.angelfire.com/in2/thewindsors5/alipoem.html
*reunited with her whom i loved most*

thats sorry... im losing my words.for sure he loved his mother - but he was too young... i cannot understand how he can write such things.he was a baby when she died and even if hes smart - he couldnt remember her that much.
nice words - empty phrases.hes really very political.
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*reunited with her whom i loved most*

thats sorry... im losing my words.for sure he loved his mother - but he was too young... i cannot understand how he can write such things.he was a baby when she died and even if hes smart - he couldnt remember her that much.
nice words - empty phrases.hes really very political.

really he is so warm person , i think he is living on his mother legacy , maybe he keeps her photos and tapes , if he loves his mother he must love what he hear about her from his grandmother and her family from what he has about her , for sure he doesn't know her , and maybe this is the hardest part not even knowing his mother touch or voice.

he is the most sensitive one among his brother , i don't anyone can say such words, because he lost a huge thing and this words came out from sad person.

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Old 02-08-2006, 09:11 AM
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really he is so warm person , i think he is living on his mother legacy , maybe he keeps her photos and tapes , if he loves his mother he must love what he hear about her from his grandmother and her family from what he has about her , for sure he doesn't know her , and maybe this is the hardest part not even knowing his mother touch or voice.

he is the most sensitive one among his brother , i don't anyone can say such words, because he lost a huge thing and this words came out from sad person.
its not that i dun feel sorry for him but i cannot say he is the most sensitive.i dun really believe in.theres much show behind.
how can he write such things with reunit... his father had a new wife he really loved and spent about 20 years with her.
...so many things... to me it doesnt seem sensitve.to me it seems like show.
how can he talk about his father this way.there was a woman who grew him up... and then he writes such words.
thats simply provocation to write such a poem and then make it public.that is not connected to intimicy and private thoughts.
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Old 02-08-2006, 12:14 PM
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its not that i dun feel sorry for him but i cannot say he is the most sensitive.i dun really believe in.theres much show behind.
how can he write such things with reunit... his father had a new wife he really loved and spent about 20 years with her.
...so many things... to me it doesnt seem sensitve.to me it seems like show.
how can he talk about his father this way.there was a woman who grew him up... and then he writes such words.
thats simply provocation to write such a poem and then make it public.that is not connected to intimicy and private thoughts.
my opinion about!
Prince Ali likes to show he only has one interview , if he is honest this doesn't mean that he makes a show Suria just posted how he is hiding from the Camera , I spent more than you believe on TV trying to see him or find him , we see a whole speech for KA and we can’t find Ali and suddenly from pictures we know that he was there .if you said PHaya QRania Abdullah QN i would say yes but ALI its not me who said he is the most sensitive guy among his brothers , the Author of angle fire said that and write it on his site , just looking to him I know how sensitive he is , when KA visits poor people look to him. even he mentioned his brother while the question was for him . HE IS SO SIMPLE AND SENSITIVE AND HIS POPULARITY CAME FROM HIS CHARACTER. He is so natural person and sometimes he is blamed because of this. In his CV they said that he writes poems its good that only one was published what if he publish his works. And I bet that its not PA who ordered to publish it . and you say he likes to show we will dye to see Jalilah if he likes to show I think all of us now know her.

so he shouldn't express his feelings , he should love his stepmother and write poem for her and forget his own mother , it is too much for PA to write his wishes to join his mother to his father to imagine that once he has a family ,am sure if he meant QN he would be sensitive for you , i think what Suria said about QN is right , i don't think QN grown up Ali or even cared about him , this is why he forget her if QN had any favor on PA i think we should see something or hear anything except the bad rumors. Haya talked about her mother in many interviews and never said what QN did for them why we shouldn’t believe Haya and believe QN how do you know that KH loved QN the most , from books interviews why should i believe that , or its wrong to say how much he loves his father. i can't believe it Ali like to show

anyway this is your opinion and i respect that
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Old 02-08-2006, 12:26 PM
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Prince Ali likes to show he only has one interview , if he is honest this doesn't mean that he makes a show Suria just posted how he is hiding from the Camera , I spent more than you believe on TV trying to see him or find him , we see a whole speech for KA and we can’t find Ali and suddenly from pictures we know that he was there .if you said PHaya QRania Abdullah QN i would say yes but ALI its not me who said he is the most sensitive guy among his brothers , the Author of angle fire said that and write it on his site , just looking to him I know how sensitive he is , when KA visits poor people look to him. even he mentioned his brother while the question was for him . HE IS SO SIMPLE AND SENSITIVE AND HIS POPULARITY CAME FROM HIS CHARACTER. He is so natural person and sometimes he is blamed because of this. In his CV they said that he writes poems its good that only one was published what if he publish his works. And I bet that its not PA who ordered to publish it . and you say he likes to show we will dye to see Jalilah if he likes to show I think all of us now know her.

so he shouldn't express his feelings , he should love his stepmother and write poem for her and forget his own mother , it is too much for PA to write his wishes to join his mother to his father to imagine that once he has a family ,am sure if he meant QN he would be sensitive for you , i think what Suria said about QN is right , i don't think QN grown up Ali or even cared about him , this is why he forget her if QN had any favor on PA i think we should see something or hear anything except the bad rumors. Haya talked about her mother in many interviews and never said what QN did for them why we shouldn’t believe Haya and believe QN how do you know that KH loved QN the most , from books interviews why should i believe that , or its wrong to say how much he loves his father. i can't believe it Ali like to show

anyway this is your opinion and i respect that
you dont need TV to make a show!why writing such a poem and make it public?...whats that?thats another kind of public appearance...

and I never said that he loved QN the most!
i said that she was the wife - he lived with and loved much and thats it!and he decided to live with her until he died!
and she has grown up his children too.... what do you think - KH would live together with a woman who doesnt care for his other children who live in the same house and are still small?
the question is - if she did it as a mother or as the wife of king hussein!
but look at prince ali and princess haya... they never accepted her.QN got her own children and they got jealous - thats why QA is the best and everything mother.
i understand them - that the belong to their mother and so on and i could understand when it is like that because its not that easy to accept when one parent finds a new partner!every child fears that and its that often that they do everything against the new partner.


KH could have married so many other women - and both (haya and ali) of them would never accept another one than QA.and it doesnt matter if it is QN or any other women!
and prince ali and princess haya are normal human beings like everyone.
so i think for sure both sides made mistakes... but ya - i think you cannot see that there are always two sides for such trouble.


and i never said he isnt sensitive - but he is not the most sensitive in my eyes.because in my eyes - it is prince faisal - by far!:)
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Old 02-08-2006, 01:27 PM
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its not that i dun feel sorry for him but i cannot say he is the most sensitive.i dun really believe in.theres much show behind.
how can he write such things with reunit... his father had a new wife he really loved and spent about 20 years with her.
...so many things... to me it doesnt seem sensitve.to me it seems like show.
how can he talk about his father this way.there was a woman who grew him up... and then he writes such words.
thats simply provocation to write such a poem and then make it public.that is not connected to intimicy and private thoughts.
my opinion about!
Any daughter or son would love to see their parents together no matter what...so it's just a simple wish/dream of a son who lost his mother when he was soo young,that he can hardly remember anything about her...
I know it from my mum ,uncles and aunts,My grandma has been dead for 20 years and they still can't get over the fact that she not there for them anymore! :(

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Prince Ali likes to show he only has one interview , if he is honest this doesn't mean that he makes a show Suria just posted how he is hiding from the Camera , I spent more than you believe on TV trying to see him or find him , we see a whole speech for KA and we can’t find Ali and suddenly from pictures we know that he was there .if you said PHaya QRania Abdullah QN i would say yes but ALI its not me who said he is the most sensitive guy among his brothers , the Author of angle fire said that and write it on his site , just looking to him I know how sensitive he is , when KA visits poor people look to him. even he mentioned his brother while the question was for him . HE IS SO SIMPLE AND SENSITIVE AND HIS POPULARITY CAME FROM HIS CHARACTER. He is so natural person and sometimes he is blamed because of this. In his CV they said that he writes poems its good that only one was published what if he publish his works. And I bet that its not PA who ordered to publish it . and you say he likes to show we will dye to see Jalilah if he likes to show I think all of us now know her.

so he shouldn't express his feelings , he should love his stepmother and write poem for her and forget his own mother , it is too much for PA to write his wishes to join his mother to his father to imagine that once he has a family ,am sure if he meant QN he would be sensitive for you , i think what Suria said about QN is right , i don't think QN grown up Ali or even cared about him , this is why he forget her if QN had any favor on PA i think we should see something or hear anything except the bad rumors. Haya talked about her mother in many interviews and never said what QN did for them why we shouldn’t believe Haya and believe QN how do you know that KH loved QN the most , from books interviews why should i believe that , or its wrong to say how much he loves his father. i can't believe it Ali like to show

anyway this is your opinion and i respect that
Don't be too upset Suria,opinions differ,what's more important is what u believe :)
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Any daughter or son would love to see their parents together no matter what...so it's just a simple wish/dream of a son who lost his mother when he was soo young,that he can hardly remember anything about her...
I know it from my mum ,uncles and aunts,My grandma has been dead for 20 years and they still can't get over the fact that she not there for them anymore! :(
oh ya for sure I agree!
but its show to make it public... there are always so many contradictions with prince ali!he says he want his father to be happy and so on.....
i cannot believe that KH is happy about the situation at the moment then!


i said it more than one time that it is so bad what happened to them - to lose the parents.
i dunno why it is so hard to understand what i mean...
you always take everything I say like *prince ali is bad*
and i never say such things...


but in fact i dun really believe that he spends so much time in thinking about his mother like we do here :)
i hope he has a more healthy relationship to his mother.
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:10 PM
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oh ya for sure I agree!
but its show to make it public... there are always so many contradictions with prince ali!he says he want his father to be happy and so on.....
i cannot believe that KH is happy about the situation at the moment then!


i said it more than one time that it is so bad what happened to them - to lose the parents.
i dunno why it is so hard to understand what i mean...
you always take everything I say like *prince ali is bad*
and i never say such things...

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but in fact i dun really believe that he spends so much time in thinking about his mother like we do here :)
i hope he has a more healthy relationship to his mother.
lol I never said U make Ali sound bad.
But I think I can understand how he feels,it's hard not to remember anything about ur mother,that's the case with Ali.
Anyway,it's all about emotions,I guess. I find that he has every right to think the way he thinks,and I think if he didn't think this way,smthing is seriously wrong,IMO.
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lol I never said U make Ali sound bad.
But I think I can understand how he feels,it's hard not to remember anything about ur mother,that's the case with Ali.
Anyway,it's all about emotions,I guess. I find that he has every right to think the way he thinks,and I think if he didn't think this way,smthing is seriously wrong,IMO.
i have the same with my father like ali with his mother and i think i understand him very well and i never say he doesnt suffer from.for sure he does.
but to make him the poorest person ever - thats a thing i dun understand here.
and i wanna understand why...
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i have the same with my father like ali with his mother and i think i understand him very well and i never say he doesnt suffer from.for sure he does.
but to make him the poorest person ever - thats a thing i dun understand here.
and i wanna understand why...
oh ok,now I get what u mean. but I still dun agree with you,I dun see it the way u do.
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really he is so warm person , i think he is living on his mother legacy , maybe he keeps her photos and tapes , if he loves his mother he must love what he hear about her from his grandmother and her family from what he has about her , for sure he doesn't know her , and maybe this is the hardest part not even knowing his mother touch or voice.

he is the most sensitive one among his brother , i don't anyone can say such words, because he lost a huge thing and this words came out from sad person.

Exactly. Of course PA knows that he was too young to even remotely remember Alia. However, I'm sure there were relatives who told him about Alia. I know KH himself probably talked alot about Alia to both Haya and Ali. Never mind Alia's own family surely told the children all about the person their mother was. So yeah, he is living on her legacy. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure he has photos, recordings, etc. anything that will allow him to know who Alia was, and continue to allow him to make some connection to her.

Who knows how much Ali actually thinks about Alia. However with pictures in his home, I'm sure it's like everyday. Maybe there are days where he longs for her more than others. Who knows. I can't see what is wrong with a poem being made public? No one exactly knows the relationship between Noor and Alia's children. Everyone has their opinion of what we think may/could have happened, but no one knows for sure. There is nothing wrong with Ali writing or speaking about his biological mother. I can't see how it would be a diservice to QN? Yes, she helped raised them, but she isn't their mother.
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Who knows how much Ali actually thinks about Alia. However with pictures in his home, I'm sure it's like everyday. Maybe there are days where he longs for her more than others. Who knows. I can't see what is wrong with a poem being made public? No one exactly knows the relationship between Noor and Alia's children. Everyone has their opinion of what we think may/could have happened, but no one knows for sure. There is nothing wrong with Ali writing or speaking about his biological mother. I can't see how it would be a diservice to QN? Yes, she helped raised them, but she isn't their mother.
I completely agree with you.
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Who knows how much Ali actually thinks about Alia. However with pictures in his home, I'm sure it's like everyday. Maybe there are days where he longs for her more than others. Who knows. I can't see what is wrong with a poem being made public? No one exactly knows the relationship between Noor and Alia's children. Everyone has their opinion of what we think may/could have happened, but no one knows for sure. There is nothing wrong with Ali writing or speaking about his biological mother. I can't see how it would be a diservice to QN? Yes, she helped raised them, but she isn't their mother.
i never said that there is something wrong to talk about his biological mother.
you can adore your biological mother and at the same time - give a chance to the fathers new wife.
and when i reat this poem... that shows that he never accepted that.and then i aks myself: how can he write that he makes everything to make his father proud and being a good human being - when he isnt able to have peace in the own family.
they shouldnt always talk this senstive stuff - when they arent able to make peace in the own family - and the own family - it doesnt matter if stepmother or siblings or aunts or something else - are the people in your life.
and maybe they never learned to forgive or something else i dunno.
but it makes me a bit confused to write such things - and then...

maybe you dun think this way - but i think its important to have trouble - for sure - but to forgive and to forget - too.

and it seems to me - that KH children - or some of them - have a big problem with forgive and forget.

i hope i am not right - but - thats what people talk about ... here in this forum.
but ya opinions differ - and they will always do.
nobody will be happy - when theres always trouble anywhere.
so i am happy he married princess rym she really seems to be a good woman.
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Did prince Ali write this poem in arabic or english and if it was written in arabic does anyone have it?
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i never said that there is something wrong to talk about his biological mother.
you can adore your biological mother and at the same time - give a chance to the fathers new wife.
and when i reat this poem... that shows that he never accepted that.and then i aks myself: how can he write that he makes everything to make his father proud and being a good human being - when he isnt able to have peace in the own family.
they shouldnt always talk this senstive stuff - when they arent able to make peace in the own family - and the own family - it doesnt matter if stepmother or siblings or aunts or something else - are the people in your life.
and maybe they never learned to forgive or something else i dunno.
but it makes me a bit confused to write such things - and then...

maybe you dun think this way - but i think its important to have trouble - for sure - but to forgive and to forget - too.

and it seems to me - that KH children - or some of them - have a big problem with forgive and forget.

i hope i am not right - but - thats what people talk about ... here in this forum.
but ya opinions differ - and they will always do.
nobody will be happy - when theres always trouble anywhere.
so i am happy he married princess rym she really seems to be a good woman.

But see this is what I'm saying...No one knows what happened in the relationship between Noor and Alia's kids. How do you know they didn't give Noor a chance? We don't exactly know what went down in that family during the time KH and QN were married. I'm sure when you marry into a family with children, there are going to be issues. They aren't any different from anyone else because they were children of a King. Don't know how true this is, but I read where Haya and Ali were suppose to have been shuffled at one point from Princess Basma's house, Hassan and his wife, and to their grandmother, Queen Zein. My question is why were they shuffled around in the first place? I can't fathom why they were living with everyone except for their father and his wife? I'm sure that was hard to be away from the only living parent you have left, despite the one's you are living with being family.

I remember I use to carry a grudge against Noor because of her supposed treatment of Ali and Haya, but then I got to thinking....I don't know what went on in that family, so I can't make judgements about Noor when I simply don't have the information to make that kind of call. So, I change my mind, and my tone when it came to Noor. Maybe there was tension on both sides, not just one. I'm going to go back and reread that poem, but I thought it was written for or about KH.

I was right. It was. It mentioned him reuniting with Alia. I understand now when it was stated that children would still want their parents together no matter who else they are married to. I have to say, I agree with this. It has been stated that Alia was the love of KH's life. Ali may have just been pointing that out. So maybe they did give Noor a chance, and it just didn't work out. Some blended families do, many don't.
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no one disgree with the fact that both prince Ali and his sister princess Haya in one side and Queen Noor in the other side , they don't have a good relation , I don't remamber seeing a picture for Queen Noor in Ali wedding or in Haya wedding , I am thinking if the family (KA and his sisters and brothers ) had to chose a side ?! , it seems that Queen Noor don't live in Jordan any more .
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But see this is what I'm saying...No one knows what happened in the relationship between Noor and Alia's kids. How do you know they didn't give Noor a chance? We don't exactly know what went down in that family during the time KH and QN were married. I'm sure when you marry into a family with children, there are going to be issues. They aren't any different from anyone else because they were children of a King. Don't know how true this is, but I read where Haya and Ali were suppose to have been shuffled at one point from Princess Basma's house, Hassan and his wife, and to their grandmother, Queen Zein. My question is why were they shuffled around in the first place? I can't fathom why they were living with everyone except for their father and his wife? I'm sure that was hard to be away from the only living parent you have left, despite the one's you are living with being family.

I remember I use to carry a grudge against Noor because of her supposed treatment of Ali and Haya, but then I got to thinking....I don't know what went on in that family, so I can't make judgements about Noor when I simply don't have the information to make that kind of call. So, I change my mind, and my tone when it came to Noor. Maybe there was tension on both sides, not just one. I'm going to go back and reread that poem, but I thought it was written for or about KH.
okay i agree with many things you write.but i have a question.
they adore his father - so why?when you write this...
*i can't fathom why they were living with everyone except for their fahter and his wife*

where was king hussein?
why do they talk about him this way - and queen noor is the bad.
I dunno - its really hard to understand for me - cause it was king husseins job to care for his children - at first - it was his job.so how can they talk about him like the great father - when he treated them like this?

thats a good example for when i mean there are so many contradictions.
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