Prince Ali's Trip to KavKaz/Circassia

[DrHH]

Can anyone give me some history/background about this trip? When did it take place? How long did it last? What was the objective? Was it supposed to symbolize the return of the Sharkas to their home land? Are there any video clips other than the one on YouTube?

[sporty]

i remember there was big interview many years ago about it in internet. u can look in internet.i dont remember after trip or before, it was big. but i dont think it matter now becous it was long time ago and now i think PA has his life with his own people, sharkas are not really his people u know what i mean. i havnt seen any youtube clips just some photografy from turkey or jordan. it was long time ago.

[suria]

Originally Posted by DrHH

Can anyone give me some history/background about this trip? When did it take place? How long did it last? What was the objective? Was it supposed to symbolize the return of the Sharkas to their home land? Are there any video clips other than the one on YouTube?

you can find here an execlusive interview with prince Ali about his trip to Kavkaz, it was on November 1998 two months after queen Ali'a father death and three months before king Hussein death.

i think this interview covers all your questions

enjoy

*The Prince and the 'Noble People' of the Caucasus*

[suria]

Originally Posted by sporty

i remember there was big interview many years ago about it in internet. u can look in internet.i dont remember after trip or before, it was big. but i dont think it matter now becous it was long time ago and now i think PA has his life with his own people, sharkas are not really his people u know what i mean. i havnt seen any youtube clips just some photografy from turkey or jordan. it was long time ago.

most of prince Ali's friends are sharkas .. all Jordanian are prince Ali's people whether they were Jordanian Palestinian or Sharkas.

[sporty]

ok i was not lieng. may be i dont know who are friends but you cant know for real too when he didnt tell you, but even look in internet now all pictures with sharkas are old sooooo? i didnt say he descriminate, i know he like everybody,but may be not with them in open anymore like long time ago. soooo?

[suria]

Originally Posted by sporty

ok i was not lieng. may be i dont know who are friends but you cant know for real too when he didnt tell you, but even look in internet now all pictures with sharkas are old sooooo? i didnt say he descriminate, i know he like everybody,but may be not with them in open anymore like long time ago. soooo?

i am not sure of this as at his wedding Rym wore Sharakas dress and this indictaes that he is still very close to them .. from my side i think Ali is getting close to all levels his position at the football federation makes him close to all.

[sporty]

but wedding was long time ago. and i just now type in internet, wedding is may be last sharkas thing. may be there was small news that is not in internet, i dont know but still what i see.

[suria]

Originally Posted by sporty

but wedding was long time ago. and i just now type in internet, wedding is may be last sharkas thing. may be there was small news that is not in internet, i dont know but still what i see.

exactly prince Ali works a lot but not in front of Cameras even when he works with the football team he visits them a lot without photos, i hear a lot that Prince Ali was here or there and did so and so but can't find those actions on the internet so what we find on the internet in not really an accurate indicator of what Prince Ali really does.

[DrHH]

Originally Posted by suria

you can find here an execlusive interview with prince Ali about his trip to Kavkaz, it was on November 1998 two months after queen Ali'a father death and three months before king Hussein death.

i think this interview covers all your questions

enjoy

*The Prince and the 'Noble People' of the Caucasus*

Thank you so much Suria, so it was after all a symbolic return of Circassians to their homeland.

[DrHH]

Originally Posted by sporty

...sharkas are not really his people u know what i mean...

I hope you are not Jordanian by origin Sporty. Because Jordanians don't think like that. Many Jordanians have different origins and even different religions. There are original Jordanians, these are mostly the bedouins, there are Christians in all denominations and there are Moslems, Sunnis and Shiites, there are Assyrians, Turkman, Kurds, Circassians, Armenians. Of course there are also Palestinians, Lebanese, and most recently Iraqis. To me, they represent the many BEAUTIFUL faces of Jordan.

[suria]

Originally Posted by DrHH

Thank you so much Suria, so it was after all a symbolic return of Circassians to their homeland.

yes indeed .. from the interview you can observe how much symbolic it was .. it was a bout delivering an idea to the whole world

[suria]

Originally Posted by DrHH

I hope you are not Jordanian by origin Sporty. Because Jordanians don't think like that. Many Jordanians have different origins and even different religions. There are original Jordanians, these are mostly the bedouins, there are Christians in all denominations and there are Moslems, Sunnis and Shiites, there are Assyrians, Turkman, Kurds, Circassians, Armenians. Of course there are also Palestinians, Lebanese, and most recently Iraqis. To me, they represent the many BEAUTIFUL faces of Jordan.

couldn't say it any better

[sporty]

i dont know if you at all understand what i say.
you say that i descriminate, i dont decriminate!
if as you say all "faces beutiful" why P Ali never helped kurds or palestinians like that? no trip for them? they are also in problem and his mather is palestinian!
so P Ali WAS not equal but now he is! I am glad that he merryed P Rym not that wild local sharkas girl from many years ago. he would descriminate now too. she is wise and international and she learned him that all have to be equal. is it bad?

[Humera]

I'm sure we're all capable of disagreeing with each other in a more civil manner.
Let's refrain from personal insults and get back to the topic of this thread.

Humera
Jordanian Forum Moderator

[eleven]

it is my first post here and maybe last, i am not with royalty but i am very interested in Circassia, and i was very happy to find a link that brought me in this forum because people talk about us even here! thank to Prince Ali.

first, i want to say that sporty, i think you are wrong. of course it is clear that charkes people are special for Prince Ali, but it is not because he thinks they are better then palestinians or kurds. I am sure he has his reasons that maybe we dont know about, but as a prince in Jordan he probably love all his other nations too. I heard that circassian people are most personal for him, not because it is best nation.

also i heard from my friends that they heard that in Jordan Prince Ali and his friends want to start work on a movie about this trip, to make it video-memories and finish in 2008, in 10 year after trip! We think it is right to do because when that trip happen, we were young and we dont remember about it much. Also, in 1998 it was written in many newspapers, but now, they are old newspapers and magazines. we have some in our center, it talks about the trip and the master who made swords and knifes. very interesting, but it is old and many young charkes people dont know about it a lot.

I think that making this documantary Prince Ali and his friends wanted to finish the trip now in 10 years and make it last for many generations, it is romantic too and a symbol. I agree with them, movie is not like a article in newspaper or photo, it is like Titanic than many people will watch like it happened month ago, and learn history lessons, to hope more and remember better, not do some reading in old newspapers that people throw away long time ago. I am sure they have better video materials too, who show people happy, and maybe interview from them or Prince Ali with copying rights. I hope it come soon because I am and my friends also want to know more about this trip and see why it happened, how it started and finish, because until now we only heard about it and saw short youtube and photos. We are glad that what Prince Ali did for us will not dessapears in old newspaper and just memory of some older people who saw it. I hope to see it in DVD or youtube or google video in 2008. it is next year! not long.

also i know there are some talk and clip about this trip in a new film from Kafkaz about history of Charkes people. My bf received it from his kafkaz friends just 2 months ago. it is new. i could not underdtand the language and i dont know what exactly it says about symbol, but it is good movie with some actors and real people. i will ask him to send it in youtube if he can soon. though Prince Ali help Jordan charkes, but we all, in turkey and kafkas love him like our charkes prince.

salam to Prince Ali fans from charkes of Price Ali.

[suria]

Originally Posted by eleven

it is my first post here and maybe last, i am not with royalty but i am very interested in Circassia, and i was very happy to find a link that brought me in this forum because people talk about us even here! thank to Prince Ali.

first, i want to say that sporty, i think you are wrong. of course it is clear that charkes people are special for Prince Ali, but it is not because he thinks they are better then palestinians or kurds. I am sure he has his reasons that maybe we dont know about, but as a prince in Jordan he probably love all his other nations too. I heard that circassian people are most personal for him, not because it is best nation.

also i heard from my friends that they heard that in Jordan Prince Ali and his friends want to start work on a movie about this trip, to make it video-memories and finish in 2008, in 10 year after trip! We think it is right to do because when that trip happen, we were young and we dont remember about it much. Also, in 1998 it was written in many newspapers, but now, they are old newspapers and magazines. we have some in our center, it talks about the trip and the master who made swords and knifes. very interesting, but it is old and many young charkes people dont know about it a lot.

I think that making this documantary Prince Ali and his friends wanted to finish the trip now in 10 years and make it last for many generations, it is romantic too and a symbol. I agree with them, movie is not like a article in newspaper or photo, it is like Titanic than many people will watch like it happened month ago, and learn history lessons, to hope more and remember better, not do some reading in old newspapers that people throw away long time ago. I am sure they have better video materials too, who show people happy, and maybe interview from them or Prince Ali with copying rights. I hope it come soon because I am and my friends also want to know more about this trip and see why it happened, how it started and finish, because until now we only heard about it and saw short youtube and photos. We are glad that what Prince Ali did for us will not dessapears in old newspaper and just memory of some older people who saw it. I hope to see it in DVD or youtube or google video in 2008. it is next year! not long.

also i know there are some talk and clip about this trip in a new film from Kafkaz about history of Charkes people. My bf received it from his kafkaz friends just 2 months ago. it is new. i could not underdtand the language and i dont know what exactly it says about symbol, but it is good movie with some actors and real people. i will ask him to send it in youtube if he can soon. though Prince Ali help Jordan charkes, but we all, in turkey and kafkas love him like our charkes prince.

salam to Prince Ali fans from charkes of Price Ali.

amazing i was really touched.. and hope to see that movie soon .. i am not circassian but so effected of what Prince Ali did and i believe that he can do more and more to his people here in Jordan if they give him the chance, he is not only influencing Charkas but all Jordanian and Palestinian here in Jordan he is the closest one to us to the camps and poor people he is doing a lot and without getting out with Cameras.

[eleven]

hello again
i log again to say for people who are interested in charkes about this film from our Kafkaz and you can find some thing in the end about Prince Ali too

but there is no english. this film tells about our history and what we do now.

salam all

[suria]

Originally Posted by eleven

hello again
i log again to say for people who are interested in charkes about this film from our Kafkaz and you can find some thing in the end about Prince Ali too

but there is no english. this film tells about our history and what we do now.

salam all

i can't open it would you please send it to me as a private message.