Crown Prince Hamzah & Princess Noor Of Jordan

[bluetortuga]

Hamzah was 6 weeks shy of his 19th birthday when K. Hussein died. He was of age of majority to rule, but I think K. Hussein wanted him to complete his education and gain more diplomatic experience before becoming king; so he passed the crown to Abdullah. K. Hussein always regretted that he never got the opportunity to complete his education; and that at 17 he felt unprepared to rule.

[Banadoora]

Originally posted by alia_musallam@Jan 12th, 2004 - 1:33 pm
... acts like a khaleeji prince...

Aaahahahaha.....

I'm sorry but I couldn't stop laughing when I read that!

[Banadoora]

Originally posted by wymanda@Jan 12th, 2004 - 6:51 am
I think that we may see the Jordanian throne passed around in the next few generations. I think Hamzah will become king but will make Hussein his heir. Fron there I think it may pass to Hamzah's sons and then, possibly, back to Hussein's offspring.

That makes sense.

[trish79nl]

I was absolutly shocked when I read stuff about the kind abdullah and wife rania that people say that they're corrupt!!!!!
Yoe should be a shamed of you're sefl. Those peolple do a lot fot the jordanian people en they are absolutly nog corrupt!!!

If youhave feelings towards this family what on earth are you doing on THIS forum!!!!!!!!!!!!


A jordanian royalhouse lover!!!!!

[alia_musallam]

You were right about Ali being removed as deputy crown prince for personal reasons, at that time he apparently got caught up in a very bad crowd and was doing all sorts of things (he is still known as the wild prince) adn then KH found out and sent him to dry out. I feel very sorry for him, as it must have been very hard for him growing up as a previous poster send... i was told that he was sent off to live with one of the king's ex-wives after QN married KH and had her first child as she did not want her children to have to share the limelight with Ali, Haya and Abeer... evil stepmother syndrome? Maybe!

[bluetortuga]

The royal family of Jordan is not above criticism or compliment. If they do well, then they will be well-spoken of. If they do wrong, then they will be criticized for it. Just remember, rulers are only in place because the people allow them to be. If the people can tolerate a system, they will keep that system; if they cannot stand the system anymore, they will make changes. I think some of us on this board bring truth to light. The royals do some good; but they do bad too. Both sides need to be addressed. And if there are far more bad comments than good, then obviously, the royals are doing something very wrong.

Besides, this is what makes this board so exciting at times. I don't think there is an open forum in Jordan where people can openly voice their opinions without fear of retribution. If the Jordanian Royal Family wants to know how they are really doing they need to check this website.

[Sean.~]

I was absolutly shocked when I read stuff about the kind abdullah and wife rania that people say that they're corrupt!!!!!
Yoe should be a shamed of you're sefl. Those peolple do a lot fot the jordanian people en they are absolutly nog corrupt!!!

We'll you can be shocked all you want, but that does not mean the comments were inaccurate in any way. People have a right to express their views. What's more, in this instance, for the most part, it was done in an academic and analytical way. Indeed, if you have a problem with the substantive points made, why not refute them with your own facts and analysis, rather than criticizing those presented by others? As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing to be 'ashamed' of, as rulers leaders should always be held to account, otherwise things will never get done or change for the better. To insinuate that they are above reproach because they do good for Jordan is ludicrous, as far as I'm concerned. Despots come in all variations. Some are benevolent, while others are not.

If youhave feelings towards this family what on earth are you doing on THIS forum!!!!!!!!!!!!

The last time I checked this forum was not called 'Adulation of Royalty'. Rather, as far as I know, it is a forum to discuss royalty in all its aspects -- the good and the bad. In my view, it is very unwise to blindly follow anyone (royals or non-royal) and not ask critical questions. Complacency only leads to misery.

Regards,

S

[shannen26]

Sean, let's discuss the good, now......

[shannen26]

Ali, Hayah and Abeer lived with their father and QN- though they were raised by Q Zein.

[Sean.~]

Originally posted by shannen26@Jan 14th, 2004 - 3:08 am
Sean, let's discuss the good, now......

Well, if it has to do with the Hashemites, I can not. But that's just me. Why don't you tell us something nice about Ali? Or maybe Hamzah?

[alia_musallam]

How come they weren't just raised with the rest of Nour's kids? And what does that mean "lived with their father but raised by QZein"? I mean how does that work? She still lived in Zahran didn't she up till her death?

[wymanda]

I understood from her book that Queen Noor took on the upbringing of Queen Alia's three children from the time of her marriage. Perhaps they spent a lot of time with their grandmother whilst KH & QN were overseas?

[mya]

Ali is not king material, he has too many girlfriends, takes drugs and acts like a khaleeji prince...

lol how does a khaleeji prince acts?????????

[alia_musallam]

how does a khaleeji prince act? Okay maybe saudi was the word i was looking for but you must know what i mean: the fast cars, the dancing girls, the orgies, the drugs, the hedonism that doesn't correspond to ones position as a descendant of religious dynasty, the blatant wasting of money in a poor country, the fast and furious lifestyle...

[mya]

heck dancing girls.......... i can dance.............he didnt invite me...dang that prince ali.lol.................

[Asma2]

The Hashemites are not religious dynasty.

[Sean.~]

Originally posted by Asma2@Jan 14th, 2004 - 4:55 pm
The Hashemites are not religious dynasty.

No, but they claim dircect descendancy from the Prophet Mohamed and were Sharifs of Mecca.

[lynn]

If Hamzah is to succeed King Abdullah, is there any law or stipulations made by King Hussein that states that the King can abdicate at any time he feels Hamzah is ready or does Hamzah succeed when King Abdullah dies?

[Sean.~]

Originally posted by lynn@Jan 14th, 2004 - 7:06 pm
If Hamzah is to succeed King Abdullah, is there any law or stipulations made by King Hussein that states that the King can abdicate at any time he feels Hamzah is ready or does Hamzah succeed when King Abdullah dies?

King can abdicate whenever he wants. According to the Jordanian constitution, it is the eldest son who succeeds, unless the King stipulates otherwise.

S

[shannen26]

Sean, I can tell u that Ali , from what friends who have met him tell me, is a nice guy, not at all as ppl here are describing him, he does care for J ppl, -as for the girls, whenever he goes , even to a restaurant or a shop, girls do throw themselves at him, he's always nice at them, what could he do, friends of him say he's loyal, caring, tolerant, I read what 1 of them wrote him in a thanx note- he thanked Ali for being such a good friend, as for Hamzah, I know that even Jppl who wrote in the old forum thought he was ok, - anyway, I saw Ali in person ,in London, he looked so ordinary, down to earth. I think u all consider the Hashemites as a kind of King Louis XIV and his Family.