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Old 06-03-2006, 03:25 PM
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From his refusal to marry and produce an heir, causing dismay for his late father, Prince Rainier, to his acknowledgement of two illegitimate children to complaints about the type of women he dates, what is your opinion of Prince Albert II of Monaco?
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Old 06-03-2006, 03:33 PM
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- It is the right thing to tell the truth that these are my children.
- It is a kind of embarrasement to Monaco royal family.

For Tamaro and Jazmin, PA said he thought it was over long time ago, but Tamaro comes back with her attorney because he acknowledged Alex (NC's son).

< ed Warren. Speculation based on skin tone. >

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Old 06-03-2006, 04:08 PM
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I thought he´s the only one of Rainier´s children being "normal" in a way. But now I must see that he can easily be compared with his sister Stephanie! Who would ever have thought this...
It´s a pity with this family. Thank God, Gracia doesn´t live any more to see this all.
I don´t care who he marries now. If I were a proper young woman I would never ever marry into such a family!
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How lucky this world is to to have the same blabla being repeated in 67964344 threads ... again and again....

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How lucky this world is to to have the same blabla being repeated in 67964344 threads ... again and again....
The Princely Family of Monaco seems to inspire these discussions.
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Old 06-03-2006, 05:18 PM
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I don't have an opinion of PA anymore.

He confuses me as a royal watcher :sigh:... Basically, at this point, my feelings towards him as the sovereign Prince of Monaco, his royal duties, as well as his personal life off duty are pretty neutral.
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Old 06-03-2006, 05:37 PM
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I think that he is...well, I don't know.

About year ago, I've watched on TV programm about Monaco and Albert (not only him) had explained why he is doing what he is doing - all these parties, peoples and all that. I thought that he is doing a good job for Monaco that he is quite normal and responsible man, without BIG scandals like sisters. Girl-friends it's normal, everyone have them more or less.
But now...these two illegitimate kids which he doesn't want recognize but he do that becouse he must. He should produce a legall heir not an illegitimate children with two women which he almost doesn't know! Sex without protection...
All that make that I think that Albert is an irresponsibility, stupid, no count with conseguences of guy, who is a ruler of Monaco. Shame! Now, I wonder which woman would want to marry him? And I say-maybe some stupid which care about the money and fame. I don't care.

I feel for those two kids and specially for Albert's family - Grace and Rainier for the son like Albert and for the Monaco for the Prince like this one.
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Thank God, Gracia doesn´t live any more to see this all.
I don´t care who he marries now. If I were a proper young woman I would never ever marry into such a family!
I agree with you. I'm sure no aristocratic family in Europe would even consider allowing their daughter to marry him. However, I still think a suitable woman could repair his image. She would have to be a strong no-nonsense woman. She would have to be very secure in herself because I think ultimately the whole family would need to come together--illegitimate and legitimate--to portry PA in a good light.
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I don't know if Albert actually cares about his image in the eyes of other royals, and this latest bastard admission is going to be hard to bounce back from. Although Charlene was at the races (probably a publicity stunt to keep focus off the coming story), I wonder what it's going to cost them to keep her around to help his image?! It's one thing if he was, at least, married to these women and divorced them - but, anyone who truly gets involved with Albert has to contend with his bagage. Are there any others lurking in the background?!

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Old 06-03-2006, 08:17 PM
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The only difference between Kevin Federline and Albert Grimaldi is that Albert was born a prince, and he has money. Otherwise, he would be preceived as the skank that K-Fed is....just "spreading his seeds" wherever they land....I've never liked Albert, and never will. He has always had questionable character to me.
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I think Albert the public figure and Albert the private man are two different characters. He is somewhat similar to Prince Charles, in how badly both managed their private lives and treated the women with them. Even though for centuries, it was the norm for royal families to produce and spread their 'illegitimate children' across the globe, in our modern culture its becoming extremely unfavorable. What is sad about the situation facing both Jazmin and Alex is that their whole life is tangled with the affairs b/w their parents and as a result the scandal and media insanity that will sorround them for years.

Prince Albert seems to be a reckless man, who slept with a married woman after meeting her within few hours, then having a 6 yrs secret affair with a flight attendant, while publically showing off his model girlfriends. I'm just wondering how he avoided STDs and Aids, if this is the kind of sexual liaison he's been leading for yearsLastly, I respect the public prince who's committed to humanitarian causes and works hard for his country, but I abhore the private man and the kind of father he displayed himself to be.
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I feel kind of sorry for him. A lot of potential has been wasted here.:(

What I've read about his life, I get the impression that he had a tough childhood - Caroline biting him, his Dad bullying him, all the press intrusion, etc.

He looked like he grew into a nice, soft-spoken young man, but I see him getting pushed aside all the time in some of the old videos that I've seen on the family. Usually royalty follows protocol when attending functions and they will greet visitors in a certain order. If Albert had already been designated as Rainier's heir, I'd think he'd be the 2nd or 3rd person in a receiving line (after Rainier and Grace). Instead, I've seen him actually be pushed out of the way by the other people in their group. That's got to be tough for a young adult to endure. I could see this type of situation making a person bitter and aloof.

Also, there's an early interview with Rainier and Grace made shortly after their engagement where they are asked who would rule if a girl was born first and a boy second. Rainier actually says that the first born would rule - even if it was a girl. Has anyone else seen this? I would imagine Rainier would know his own laws of rule.

This makes me wonder if it didn't start out with Caroline as the heir, but then she declined (perhaps to marry Junot?), so then it went to Albert instead.

If I was Albert, I'd grow up wanting to do my own thing too. I'd be happy to help my family and do what I could for them (especially in helping to run their billion dollar business ), but I'd want my independence too.

Albert may have gotten to the point where all of his friends were having children and so he wanted them as well - but not marriage.

As far as unprotected sex goes, he must know lots of people who are living with HIV. They probably have loads of money, and can afford the best medical care in the world, so they continue to live close to normal lives.

Paying child support isn't an issue either. He'd be paying the same if the children were legitimate.

My opinion is that Albert is just putting in his time as the ruler of Monaco and Andrea is next in line. I think that's why Caroline fought so hard for her marriage to Junot to be declared annulled by the Vatican.

It's kind of a sad situation (everyone dreams of a fairytale), but if this is what Albert wants, then that's the way it goes. I guess if Andrea didn't want the "job" then Albert could go ahead and marry, but he should stop worrying about someone wanting him only for his money. Afterall, his wife would be "working" for Monaco. She ought to be paid something for it. They would just need to get with an attorney and hammer out the amount ahead of time so she couldn't divorce him after a year and demand 1/2 of his money.

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Old 06-03-2006, 09:23 PM
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What is your opinion of Prince Albert?

Lately, not a good one. I really wish that Monaco was more progressive and the eldest child, Caroline, was the one in charge. She has the beauty and class of Grace and the brains and will power to match her great father Rainier. Albert is but a pale shadow of a prince (and as a parent) next to her.
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Old 06-03-2006, 10:08 PM
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PA has gone down considerably in my estimation. But, I must take issue with any portrayal of Caroline as more deserving of the throne than PA.

Caroline's affair with Ernst of Hanover destroyed his marriage to Caroline's friend, Chantal Hochuli. She then became pregnant prior to her marriage to Ernst.

In my opinion, she is just like PA--self-centered and careless, except where titles and prestige are concerned. (Ernst is an HRH, and the Princely Family of Monaco is NOT--they are HSH--among people who care, that is a MAJOR difference).

Besides, due to Monaco's male-preference primogeniture, she will never inherit the throne. Her son Andrea will displace her.
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Old 06-03-2006, 10:32 PM
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PA seems to be a reckless person. This is a pattern that has been going on for years and has repeated itself.He takes unecessary, high risks in his personal health/life. He is not cognizant of how his actions impact Monaco and its perception to the world. I truly hope that he does not get engaged soon--he needs a lot of think time before he subjects his citizens to another bad,disastrous mistake.....
On a positive note(based on his poor decision -making skills), at least he does not have to command an army....
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On a positive note(based on his poor decision -making skills), at least he does not have to command an army....
Somehow I picture Albert's army as a legion of Amazonian supermodels with him as a James Bond wannabe.

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Somehow I picture Albert's army as a legion of Amazonian supermodels with his as a James Bond wannabe.
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Old 06-04-2006, 07:47 AM
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For years Albert constantly denied he was the Father. He is suddenly forced to admit it. He had been lying for years and then told the truth. Once you tell a lie like that, it makes the person unreliable. Because of that, I don't think you can ever rely on or believe anything he says in the future. You wouldn't know if he was telling the truth or not.
Worse than all that is the shame he has bought on the name of Christ. He is a practising Catholic and the bible makes it quite clear how a person should be behaving and acting. He went his seperate way and did what he wanted.
Anyone looking at this way of life would think there was nothing in it- it ridicules the idea of Christ. He either needs to stop bringing this shame or else to make a confession that he has done wrong and so repair the damage.

I also believe that the best person to rule in Monaco would be Princess Caroline.
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Prince Albert was not made to accept his daughter, he did it and took the responsibility for his actions. For that, imo, he must be respected.
I do think Prince Albert is a good ruler for Monaco. When time comes (if Prince Albert will not have legitimate children of his own), Princess Caroline will succeed to the throne and will make a wonderful ruler as well. But until that time (which I hope will not be soon), Prince Albert remains the ruler of Monaco. And if you read the comments by the people of Monaco, you'll see they are quite happy with their Prince and are proud of him.
As for comparing Prince Albert with Princess Stephanie, for me it's only a favorable comparison, because I really like, no, love very much Princess Stephanie.
Those, who quote Bible, to blame Prince Albert in anything, might as well remember the "Don't judge, not to be judged" lines.
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Old 06-04-2006, 09:29 AM
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From his refusal to marry and produce an heir, causing dismay for his late father, Prince Rainier, to his acknowledgement of two illegitimate children to complaints about the type of women he dates, what is your opinion of Prince Albert II of Monaco?
My opinion hasn't changed through the years - He is Human!

With all the merits and faults of a human being. I believe the main problem around Princely Family of Monaco is that their lives are seen through a maximize lent... and that tends to make things worse.

For a while I thought they made from their lives a Big Brother Show, now I see how the media explores that idea to sell.

One example, when Prince Rainier (God Rest His Soul) died almost every magazine explored the pictures where Caroline and Stephanie were apart, when they finnaly appeared smilling eachother almost no media explored to say that everything was ok (BTW great picture chosen to the Poll). I know Steph is not a saint but I wonder what she felt all her life being acused numerous times of killing her mother (considered a Saint)... I wonder how Caroline felt in her life having all her boyfriends compared to her first husband (considered a Saint)... I wonder what Albert felt all his life, without being able to marry, being accused of causing endless suffering to his father and to be always compared to him(considered a Saint)...

Well, my Dears, we're run out of Saints on Princely Family of Monaco.

Only Humans are left and to me each one of them deserve our admiration for the good things and our reproval for the bad things.

Still, if Prince Rainier choose Prince Albert to suceed I'm sure as a Sovereign and a Father he recongnised his son as a great person.

That'a all I need! Long Live to Prince Albert! Long Happiness to his sisters Stephanie and Caroline and their families.

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Old 06-04-2006, 09:36 AM
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Has Prince Albert ever heard of birth control??? It seems that someone in his position would be alot more responsible and use protection!! I am sure there probably will be more stories of other children he has fathered.