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#61
06-06-2006, 05:30 PM
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I don't care if this guy has premarital sex - at his age it's only natural. But managing to get at least two women pregnant at this day and age of easily accessible contraception is just plain DUMB. He's a public figure, for heaven's sake. Why can't he behave with caution and dignity?
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#63
06-06-2006, 08:30 PM
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I thought in the past he took advantage of some less than desirable opportunities - because he was a little lonely or I was hoping that was the reason. But his current "official companion" seems much the same as the others if not worse. So I'm not sure what to think now. I thought he might want someone much like himself, someone that would be more challenging than a girl who is 20 yrs younger than him & is immature for her own age by what we have seen. She seems to exploit the relationship & he doesn't seem to mind. I wrote a whole thing on this on another thread so I won't repeat it! But now I think he may be just looking for someone young w/ a pretty face & he doesn't really care why she's dating him, which is sad. As a women in her 40's there is no way I would be interested in a guy in his 60s. As I don't think PA would consider dating a 68 yr old women. So why should he think she would be dating him except for the novelty of it & all the other wrong reasons. He will be bored with her like Charles was with Diana, waiting for her to grow up, if anything happens seriously in this relationship. I sure hopes he finds someone that will fall in love with him for the right reasons & he doesn't settle for less. I hope he keeps looking for more & that she will have been worth the wait for him. Last edited by Warren; 06-07-2006 at 06:22 AM. Reason: reduced quote size |
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#64
06-06-2006, 08:37 PM
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I opinion of PA hasn't changed.
I realize that people put others up on pedistals. But you must remember that everyone, even in his position, are only human. People make mistakes. That is part of life. It is what you learn from those mistakes that helps you to avoid them in the future and makes (or at least tries) to help you be a better person. I am sure that he will be an excellent ruler. |
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#65
06-06-2006, 08:44 PM
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Yes he seems to be ruling great, he's a serious businessman and there are many positive economic stories online about the growth of the GDP and standard of living among his subjects ... he has the luxury of being sort of like the president of his own little Disneyland Theme Park whereas the vast majority of European monarchs are merely figureheads who carry out public relations appearances.
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#66
06-06-2006, 08:46 PM
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Though history seems to be undergoing a revision regarding Tamara, both she and Nicole said it was their failure to properly take their pills that resulted in their pregnancies.
Whether they deliberately made themselves more likely to be fertile is something that will always be argued, but the fact that Albert relied on them for birth control shows a remarkable lack of responsibility, IMO. At some point he must have been taught the Facts of Life. Making an assumption he was told birth control was bad (Catholic tenet), he still knew what could happen and did not act in a preventative manner. If you are going to believe birth control is bad, then don't have premarital sex. If you are going to rely on another to prevent pregnancy and you will suffer upon their becoming pregnant, then take control yourself. You cannot have it both ways. Either believe whole-hearted in the basics of Catholicism (and Albert as head of Sovereign State should) or come out and say "I believe but do not follow". Two kids with two different women you were never married to also does that. The past is done and it now seems Albert is moving forward. First, he is claiming responsibility for his past transgressions. Second, he is growing Monaco so that he too can a "Builder Prince" but in a greener way. But if Albert should find himself a daddy again with a child younger than Eric Alexandre, then I really have to wonder if he has learned anything. Ann |
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#67
06-06-2006, 09:20 PM
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Ann, PA is my guy, but I suspect we might hear of "others". Remember when that statement was made last year? Well JG might be Just one of the "others,maybe older than Alex or younger. Whatever, I'm sure they're all ok and will be taken care of. You know as someone said above, his ego plus money to back it up may dictate that kind of behavior.
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#68
03-25-2008, 10:33 AM
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PA is a fine man. I think he would do his best for human beings even through his own shortcomings.
His father obviously controlled who PA did and did not marry or date. But I think to constantly date women he knew his father would not approve of, a black woman, a married woman, a ... he knew he would have the children younger and have to wait until he was older to actually have the relationship and marriage he wants out in the open. It almost seems like CW is the first real relationship he has ever had. Unhindered and open. This does not mean he will marry her. But he is finding his "partner-self" inside himself. All his mistakes might have been pushed aside had he fallen in love with someone when PGrace was alive. Provided the girl had some good qualities, PGrace would have wanted her son to be happy and stable. Mind you, even Grace was hardhanded with PCaroline and PSteph. Who's to say how his life might have turned out with different parenting. And for his own children, maybe he knew it would be better to be hidden by him, than rejected by his father and an entire Principality. Better they surface when his father his gone. PA's subjects would have to accept them. R.
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#69
03-27-2008, 08:52 AM
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In even microcosmic families by comparison, people fall prey to their own myths. He would have a bevy to chose from, to justify his choices. Did he chose the American wife and waitress for the harmless, nurturing side of her? Did he chose the African flight attendant for the exotism yet occupational subservience? Does he fancy the current one for her fading Olympic glory? I think he doesn't know either. He will be remembered regardless for his steadfastness as a ruler, and for spearheading an ecological revolution. He was bashful and sensitive as a child and the "ways of the world" only ever cloak the outside.
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#71
03-27-2008, 07:04 PM
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 By the way, men do this too! I can understand the initial attraction, but it's the lack of character in these women that does not seem to bother Albert and that puzzles me? Character seems less important to Albert, and this usually will call into question one's own? How can you not care if someone is obviously using you to further themselves? If someone treat's you one way, how do they treat everyone else in the world? Perhaps Albert has a hard time admitting to himself, the lack of genuineness in these women? But it does not mean everyone is like this? When he encounters this he needs to move on to women who are sincere and do not have their own agenda? I think Albert is a very smart man, but I am stumped why or how he can overlook this? His father disapproved of some of these women for good reason, he was able to recognize what Albert could not? As I said before, I know no man or woman who would go out with someone who went to the press and gave an interview and account of their first date? Is Charlene's behavior with the press surprising to anyone? Of course not! I live in LA there are a lot of people who encounter this type of thing in their lives here? That first date would have been the last. I won't go into all the other quips to the press in the beginning that were obvious and meant for conjecture. At the beginning of a relationship, most women would have been embarrassed to say such things, it's presumptuous, but it seemed to not bother Albert? It was and is curious? Generally, it is easy to see what people (women) are about and what their agenda is? I would say this is Albert's one weakness? At the same time his kind and selfless nature is probably also his strength? But he needs to be able to differentiate between the two? I think if he can overcome this, he will be a great monarch he has already done a lot and probably has more in the works that people are unaware of? I think people want to compare Albert "now" with the "many years" of his father's reign and that is unfair (IMO). I think he may be better prepared for the job than his father was, and he has his father's history and experience to draw upon if needed. I'm sure he was taught well and Rainier was a bright man and Grace was a bright woman. I'm sure all of their children benefit form this, as well as what they have learned in their own lives with their own experiences and they have had drama's and heartbreaks that not many have? I think Monaco is it's own special place and the whole family helps make it that. I'm excited to see it's new era and I have no doubt Albert will make it as interesting and exciting place as it's last era and the era's before it when it was the place of golden apples (oranges?). |
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#72
03-27-2008, 07:33 PM
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IMO, I think Albert is just really different from his father despite all training. And for that, he will make different choices and decisions. Yet, to look at both the parents, the children have proven not too different from either except that their privacy was stripped away from an early stage, part of their mother's legacy for Monaco (the press' ongoing fascination and permanent lack of privacy), and the fact that although both parents craved acceptance from their parents, they did not really give unconditional acceptance to their own children. They did not approve of anyone their children dated or brought home. This is when they were simply dating and not even all that serious. And I think with the girls, it was PG and with PA it was his father moreso.
Did PA did not come home with at least ONE acceptable woman in the last 25 yrs? I wonder .. ? If anyone knows where I can read CW's initial interview after her first date with PA, I would really appreciate it! Thanks! R.
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#73
03-27-2008, 08:13 PM
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About the interview if you go back to the beginning of the relationship in the threads you should be able to find it, it was posted a few times.
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#74
03-27-2008, 08:22 PM
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Exploited?
Sandsla and Rosalee,
You each bring me to this point that, given that from very early on PA's privacy was stripped, I tend to wonder if that doesn't fold into his current attitude of allowing CW to play a daft hand with the media in a gesture, albeit subconscious, of spite towards the permanent intrusion. While Rainier was a different man, conservative as all men become, he was also intent on selling an image of the Principality. This meant hamming it up for the cameras constantly. Did he maybe handicap his children for the future? If they had to adhere to a strict code, yet be put on display, how different were their parents than today's driven "stage" moms & dads? That would explain how Princess Stephanie would be comfortable with circus people on the one hand. She is not a gypsy, or bohemian...!? Princess Caroline seems to be the strongest, but tragedy played a hand in hardening her. Would she have too become more free-spirited in time? Before this reply gets relegated to another thread, I just want to put forth the possibility the children's exploitation as little ambassadors of the Principality may have countered their more royal upbringing, making the path to becoming a regal character more difficult for Prince Albert. In my opinion. |
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#75
03-27-2008, 09:12 PM
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I am sure Albert is his own man, and that is a good thing! Sometimes different eras need different personalities and I have no doubt with Albert's interests it seems to be the right one for Monaco now. But, I have to say many people feel the very same about the statement I highlighted above?  In fact it would be more unusual if that were true in most cases? People love their children and do not want to see them make mistakes and are often over protective to a fault? In Rainier's and Grace's life, I'm sure they were aware of the consequences their children might face that another's child might not be such a target? They were just trying to be very careful with them and thought in their position they should hold them to a different standard, and I'm sure they would hold whomever they thought was worthy of dating their own children (that I'm sure they loved very much) to an even higher standard. Really,this is not so unusual for the average person even . In my case because of the same fear, I simply kept my relationships very private which made my parents afraid to say anything at all? I had to laugh when my sister once told me my mother had told her not to mention anything when she noticed I had had company over on the previous evening? She said something like "You know how she is?"  I think after awhile they were afraid to ask me anything that I did not offer up? Maybe PA should have taken the same approach? They may have been actually eager to meet someone then and probably happy to know he wasn't gay (not that there's anything wrong with that!). I have a feeling if Albert had been older or seriously interested in anyone, Grace would have been the bigger obstacle? The relationships between mothers and sons can be very strong, and some women have very high standards and are not very willing to relinquish their son to another woman very easily, especially to just any woman . Maybe both parents left a bigger influence on their son than we know (or even he knows), and Albert in the end probably has his own very high standards for a wife. Albert's wife will be subjected to a lot and I imagine the position could be quite daunting? It's probably a good thing Albert has a gentle personality and is probably the first one to realize all this, and so he is just being careful to find the right woman that's capable of fulfilling it all, or close to it? That is a tall order for anyone! |
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#76
03-27-2008, 09:45 PM
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You make some good points, I'm sure being subjected to all the publicity and the loss of privacy takes it's toll. But then isn't all royalty held to the same standard, maybe not? I would want to protect my children as much as I could but I suppose especially in earlier times, they assumed this was the hand of cards that were drawn for them in their life, as they also had advantages? Just the same, I do not envy them having to grow up in a fish bowl! They have had their challenges in life, probably more than most, and they had to deal with all this in the public eye, that could not have been easy? I still think the way Charlene handles the press is more about her and only furthers the intrusion of Albert's privacy? Charlene seems to not value her own -- she seems to relish the attention even if she has to plant it herself? (IMO). Even if it's all in fun to play with the media, it does not flatter him? Aside from this and the way Albert's women handle their own, as well as Albert's privacy -- Albert has no problem appearing regal when he wishes to. Last edited by sandsla; 03-27-2008 at 09:48 PM. |
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#77
03-28-2008, 10:36 AM
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Imagine...
worse: an ONLY son!!
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#78
03-28-2008, 11:50 AM
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, That I think is perhaps Albert's problem! It is the woman who is meant to be pursued, the men are to give chase, not the woman! That is precisely why Albert ends up with the wrong women, he is too use to the eager & desperate hanger ons that drop at his feet. While that might boost his ego at first, in the long run he will not end up with the prize. Someone on one of these boards had a good quote I can't quite remember...something about a hard won victory... does that sound familiar, it was a quote they used at the bottom of their post I think? I think Albert might have been playing it backwards for awhile now, no wonder he can't make any head way . I'm sure most woman would not mind being pursued by P. Charming and who wouldn't love to bypass the headaches! But it is the fair prince who has to be the hunter not the hunted! Maybe that word cupidity would come in handy somewhere here? Such a cute word! Anyway, wouldn't you agree with me! |
