What do you think of Charlene?

[paca]

They were not at the Athens game together. I know someone who sat near Albert and there was no Charlene at the 2000 games. Of course they weren't glued to him only sitting near him, and there have been no pics of them from those games and if it were true they would have surfaced by now as the razzi could get some good cash for them, and I'm sure the other press would have picked up on it by now too. It helps with the fairytale story. At the time he may have still been with Alicia Warlick another blonde but one with brains. Sorry but I am certain he was not with her in Athens from various accounts.

Hibou, Athens was in 2004, Sydney was 2000.

 

[hibou]

Hibou, Athens was in 2004, Sydney was 2000.

LOL Well they weren't at Sydney either!! Just Turin. But I think they reconnected in Dec/Jan 2005/06 when in he was in SA.

I have seen a pic of them together on an other forum, both sporting the Athens accredation cards. At the time it was thought that it was a pic of them the Paris night club he visited with her last year. But the card's laces were very distinct. I have more than 6500 items in the directory where I might have saved the pic (or not). A quick search gave no results. If I find it I'll let you know.

Edited to add: my bad. I'm so sorry. I found the pic and it is an article about Charlene and Albert going out during the Turin Olympics, not Athens. I was wrong, sorry. It's getting late and I should go to bed.
Please don't shoot me.

I didn't mean to cause you distress! I just know they weren't in Athens! Or Sydney as paca pointed out - Right church wrong pew.

unfortunately, Hibou, between what Charlene and Albert say and reality there is an enormous difference, because it seems to me that Charlene left with a rugby player, Andre Snyman (picture located here http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nymanAndre.jpg ), and Albert left with Nicole Coste, how would she have made to correspond with him or to send emails, or to telephone to him???? without telephone numbers??? she said

don't forget Albert is accused to viol by Karen Mulder
"Karen Mulder also affirms to be violated by the prince of Monaco, and confirms that "politicians pay to have the company of the girls of Elite!". ÉvolutionQC - L'affaire Karen Mulder"

andré snyman left Charlene in 2003 for Amor Vittone, and in 2001 or 2002 "at the time of a dinner, Albert introduces Nicole at Rainier: "Here Nicole, the person about which one spoke both"." I suppose he want married Nicole and it was why he presented Nicole then why would Albert have still had a contact with Charlene during this period? it is true, there is to say much and the truth will never be known but the facts deny their statements completely. Albert always played with the press, he is secret, nothing will say except if he is discovered and that he cannot find a parade against
lckc571

Looks like we need an Albert girlfriend timeline! Certainly is a busy boy with the ladies!!

 

[Lakshmi]

don't forget Albert is accused to viol by Karen Mulder
"Karen Mulder also affirms to be violated by the prince of Monaco, and confirms that "politicians pay to have the company of the girls of Elite!". ÉvolutionQC - L'affaire Karen Mulder"

"at the time of a dinner, Albert introduces Nicole at Rainier: "Here Nicole, the person about which one spoke both"." I suppose he want married Nicole and it was why he presented Nicole then why would Albert have still had a contact with Charlene during this period? lckc571

Albert never was accused for violating Karen Mulder. She just gave some interview and told only the interviewer about it. Later her father apologized and explained she was drug addict who did not know what she was saying.
Albert ever wanted marry Nicole?! I even did not Believe Nicole when she said she was presented to Rainer or even saw Rainer. Ops. I hope mods would not delete this b/c it's not on the topic. But I tried to straight some facts.
I agree with hibou. It seems Charlene saw Albert in 2001, then nothing and he contacted her during his stay in SA in 2005/06.

 

[MyAdia]

They were not at the Athens game together. I know someone who sat near Albert and there was no Charlene at the 2000 games. Of course they weren't glued to him only sitting near him, and there have been no pics of them from those games and if it were true they would have surfaced by now as the razzi could get some good cash for them, and I'm sure the other press would have picked up on it by now too. It helps with the fairytale story. At the time he may have still been with Alicia Warlick another blonde but one with brains. Sorry but I am certain he was not with her in Athens from various accounts.

Hibou, you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. I wholeheartedly believe that Charlene was with Albert at some time during the Athens Olympics because she blabbed to her friends that she did. I also strongly believe that Charlene had communication with Albert prior to his visit to South Africa in Dec 2006 (as Charlene’s friends stated and based on her blabbing interview after their first date I find it implausible that she would have never contacted him). I will make my case why I think that Charlene was with Albert at some time in Athens, this is my opinion, but it is at least based on some other reasons than just my beliefs. Of course my opinion is not factual (Charlene, Albert, or their observers can tell us that – but facts never stopped any of us from posting yet), but your friend’s (who sat near Albert) retrospective account is not foolproof either that Charlene was NOT with him at ANY time at ANY place. So, everyone can at least amuse himself or herself with my LONG opinion as I slack off from work.

1. Charlene didn’t have to attend any Olympic events with Albert for her to meet up with him. I don’t think that Albert would drag someone as indiscreet as Charlene out in public while Rainier was alive. Absence of a picture (or your friends not seeing him with a woman) is not solid proof that Charlene was not with him at any night for “secret duties” on a yacht during the Olympics. How many pictures did the paparazzi captured and published of Nicole with Albert from 1997 – 2002? ZERO! Does that mean that they never met up and had sex?

2. Albert attended many sporting events because he was trying to beat his last Olympic attendance events of 26. So, I doubt that your friend(s) tagged him and can retrospectively remember every person that was with him at all times. The opening date of the Olympics was August 13, 2004 and closed on Aug 29th. Of course, as an IOC member Albert was there prior to the Opening Ceremony. I found pictures of Albert attending events from the 9th thru the 24th. Of course, he didn’t have to stay the entire time in between and of course these pictures do not imply these are the only events he attended. Also, I found a video where Albert states in an interview that he wanted to break his last Olympic record and attend at least one event for each sport. I mention this to say I seriously doubt that this man went without a woman (or sex) for a two-week period during this highly spirit and charged atmosphere of Athens. Here are pictures of at some of the different events he attended. I'm not including the cation, but trust me these are diff events (9th, 11th, 14th, 15th, 17th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 24th, 24th ). Also, here’s a link to a Aug 20th interview by the IOC communications dept and this quote “In Athens, in addition to his IOC commitments, Prince Albert has set himself a challenge that he has yet to achieve - to attend at least one event in every sport. ‘I came close to it in Sydney where I went to 26 of the 28 sports. But I hope to have a full count this time.’” Also, if you read Albert’s interview, you’ll probably understand why Charlene’s swansong of training for the Olympics got her pretty far with Albert.

3. Charlene inconspicuously bragged about being on a yacht (will be during the Olympics) in an April 2004 interview to a reporter and she told her friends that she had been in communication with Albert . This behavior is typical of what we have seen in Charlene today Here’s a quote from an April 25, 2004 Sunday Times (South Africa) article that I posted last year.

CHARLENE Wittstock is a blonde with brains. Swimming SA president Gideon Sam recently told journalists and swimmers there would be no room for passengers at the Olympics. "They'll be on the bus," he warned. Quick as a flash, the blonde bombshell retorted: "No, no. I'll be on a yacht."

At first, I just thought that this quote showed Charlene’s materialistic side and her attempt of a joke meaning that if she didn’t make the Olympics she wouldn’t take dare take a bus home, but a yacht. However later, after reading an Feb 16, 2006 Bunte article, I actually believe that Charlene was secretly bragging about her future liaison with Albert. Ok, this is one of the few times that I actually believe Bunte because it makes sense and is consistent with Charlene’s bragging behavior of bragging and announcing her liaisons with Albert. Also, I really don’t think that Bunte pulled up every article about Charlene and came across her above quote and decided to make up a story about her attending the Athens Olympics with Albert. Here are the Bunte quotes.

Anyhow Albert and Charlene must have found themselves. Five months later, in November, 2001, reported Charlene to a friend that she calls up Albert and exchanges e-mails. In an interview she said: " The only time that I got softy knee with a man was with Albert. I like European men. They know how one handles with women. Albert is great, he has style and is winning. He is simply fantastic. " Also Albert must have been inspired by Charlene. Over and over again he met her. " He loves that she brings him to the laughter ", says a friend.

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Then a harsh repercussion. Charlene missed the qualification for the Olympic games in Athens. To Greece she traveled, nevertheless. Reporters believed in a joke when she said, she will live on a yacht because in the team's accommodation no place is. One never found out further details. She met, in any case, Albert. However, at that time publicly he did not appear with her. Also not New Year's Eve when Albert visited away to South Africa Charlene Wittstock.

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[MyAdia]

4. Charlene has a history of bragging/announcing her liaisons with Albert. Of course, there was her first interview with South African Sun Times newspaper (dated July 1, 2001) after her first date with Albert where she gave a very detailed description of the entire date including submitting pictures (how he asked her out, what he said, what she wore, what kind of car they drove in – Rolls Royce, where they went, what they drank – Champagne and then coffee at his apartment, his previous swimmer girlfriend that he almost married, what time she returned to her hotel – 5 am, etc. etc.). Charlene was clearly smitten after her first bite of Albert’s luxury life. More importantly, she stated in that interview that she hoped to meet up with him again. She couldn’t help herself again bragging about meeting up with Albert after no one saw her with him after the Maldives pictures surfaced. In an article dated May 12, 2006 in a South African newspaper, Beeld, Charlene told the reporter in an interview, "I’m going next week Monaco to for the Grand Prix." Charlene was in Monaco a week before she surfaced with Albert. Also, if Charlene didn’t spill the beans her father or her coach did about future liaisons with Albert when the tabloids started questioning whether the relationship was over. Even after her swim meet this past April, she let a reporter know that she was headed for “Europe” to train and compete in races there (which we all knew that she was headed for Monaco).

5. Conclusion: I think Charlene was with Albert at least at some time during the Athens Olympics, but hidden (which she probably hated). Look how she acted when he finally took her out in public (in front of cameras) at Turin for the first time after 5 years. Charlene was hungry for public recognition! I was going to post some of them, but I just can't; it really is kind of sickening to see her hang all over him like a cheap suit and he play along. Her fawning all over him actually persisted for days after the Opening Ceremony. Toward the end, Abert put her back in hiding (sounds like a father sending his child to timeout) and brought in Pierre. Also, during this time of email/phone communication with Albert, he has always had other women and it didn’t matter to her (as it doesn’t seem to matter now). That’s why I stated in a previous post that Caroline couldn’t compete with Charlene because Charlene’s been waiting for her time in the spotlight for a long time. The best thing that Caroline can do to an attention seeker like Charlene is to AVOID her, but not Monaco.

 

[royal pauper]

I will try to make my opinion as simply as posible. PA was seeing/sleeping with Charlene on and off for a few years the same way he was doing with many others. The reason he is mostly seeing Charlene right now is that all others have alredy moved on with their lifes and Charlene at the moment has nothing better to do but to wait on PA.

 

[hibou]

When did Albert date Alicia Warlick and when did they break up? Also there are many pics of Albert with Nicole but she was told to pretend she was with one of his friends - some of these pics were in her Paris Match article. I don't believe Albert was with Charlene until around December 05. The time frame with Nicole, and Alicia overlap. That is not to say he couldn't have added Charlene to his list but I think you are reading into her yacht statement. Also the yachts were not in Athens but on the surrounding islands because of security issues. That was where all the private yachts were harbored. Could she have met him there on someone else's yacht? maybe. Also with Albert's security issues, she would have had a hard time contacting him without his private number. Could he have been the one to contact her, maybe but again I don't think so. Charlene has said a lot of things to a lot of people and as we have seen not much of it can be trusted. I think the yacht statement was a her joking to her coach. Also Charlene supposedly dumped a current beau at the time this relationship was made known to the public so then was Charlene two-timing her beau? I don't have that answer. The statements that you used to support your case are taken out of context and again it's Charlene. The tabloids have had a lot of fun with word play and inference with this story. I doubt much of it is true except that she is living in Monaco and photographed with Albert at present. So we agree to disagree.

 

[paca]

I will try to make my opinion as simply as posible. PA was seeing/sleeping with Charlene on and off for a few years the same way he was doing with many others. The reason he is mostly seeing Charlene right now is that all others have alredy moved on with their lifes and Charlene at the moment has nothing better to do but to wait on PA.

not all. Tasha is still hovering near whenever she thinks she might have a chance. I'd love to see a pic of Tasha and Charlene meeting with Albert in the middle. And tasha is not the only one willing to give him another shot or being available.

 

[hibou]

not all. Tasha is still hovering near whenever she thinks she might have a chance. I'd love to see a pic of Tasha and Charlene meeting with Albert in the middle. And tasha is not the only one willing to give him another shot or being available.

That shot would be worth some money! At least Tasha is independently wealthy or at least her father is.

 

[MyAdia]

When did Albert date Alicia Warlick and when did they break up? Also there are many pics of Albert with Nicole but she was told to pretend she was with one of his friends - some of these pics were in her Paris Match article. I don't believe Albert was with Charlene until around December 05. The time frame with Nicole, and Alicia overlap. That is not to say he couldn't have added Charlene to his list but I think you are reading into her yacht statement. Also the yachts were not in Athens but on the surrounding islands because of security issues. That was where all the private yachts were harbored. Could she have met him there on someone else's yacht? maybe. Also with Albert's security issues, she would have had a hard time contacting him without his private number. Could he have been the one to contact her, maybe but again I don't think so. Charlene has said a lot of things to a lot of people and as we have seen not much of it can be trusted. I think the yacht statement was a her joking to her coach. Also Charlene supposedly dumped a current beau at the time this relationship was made known to the public so then was Charlene two-timing her beau? I don't have that answer. The statements that you used to support your case are taken out of context and again it's Charlene. The tabloids have had a lot of fun with word play and inference with this story. I doubt much of it is true except that she is living in Monaco and photographed with Albert at present. So we agree to disagree.

Hibou, first, please understand when I write the word Athens I am using it as an adjective to denote the Athens Olympics. I never stated that the yacht was parked in the city of Athens. Of course she could have met him on somone else's yacht - that's where Albert seems to meet most of his sexual partners. There were thousands over yachts throughout the Greek Islands during the the Athens Olympics. Second, those pictures of Nicole were not PUBLISHED prior to the Paris Match interview. Only a couple were agency pictures and the rest were Nicole's private pictures. Nicole was told to pretend to be a friend's girlfriend AFTER her pregnancy AND when she was living in Albert's Paris apartment. Third, Albert has a looooonnnnggggg and consistent history of having on-and-off sex with lots of women, Charlene is no different. I doubt if Albert can even give a timeline with his women. In my opinion, Albert had public girlfirends that he felt were socially acceptable to take them to public events and sexual partners that he took out occassionaly only with his closets friends. At Turin, Charlene was just promoted that's all. Fourth, I have no idea what you mean by the statements being taken out of context. Bunte interviewed Charlene's friends in Feb. 2006, including Sarah Poewe who was with Charlene in Monaco in 2001 (actually, there's a newsletter online of a church where Sarah worked where she mentioned that her friend Charlene was coming to visit her - this was soon after Charlene's Turin appearance). Finally, as with everything on this board, we each are presented with the same information and each of us will decide what we want to believe on so many topics and even pictures. But, in this case there is a truth and I don't think any of us posters are in on it. If we were were wouldn't need these thousands of posts and Charlene and Albert. All I did was presented some information with my opinion as to whether Charlene and Albert had ANY contact from June 2001 to Dec 2006. Ghislaine asked my theory and I happily provided it with evidence. Sorry, but I am a researcher in the real world and it's just a habit of mine of at least trying to back up my theory with some semblance of evidence. I never stated it as fact. It's just my opionion, although rather strong one.

 

[hibou]

Hibou, first, please understand when I write the word Athens I am using it as an adjective to denote the Athens Olympics. I never stated that the yacht was parked in the city of Athens. Of course she could have met him on somone else's yacht - that's where Albert seems to meet most of his sexual partners. There were thousands over yachts throughout the Greek Islands during the the Athens Olympics. Second, those pictures of Nicole were not PUBLISHED prior to the Paris Match interview. Only a couple were agency pictures and the rest were Nicole's private pictures. Nicole was told to pretend to be a friend's girlfriend AFTER her pregnancy AND when she was living in Albert's Paris apartment. Third, Albert has a looooonnnnggggg and consistent history of having on-and-off sex with lots of women, Charlene is no different. I doubt if Albert can even give a timeline with his women. In my opinion, Albert had public girlfirends that he felt were socially acceptable to take them to public events and sexual partners that he took out occassionaly only with his closets friends. At Turin, Charlene was just promoted that's all. Fourth, I have no idea what you mean by the statements being taken out of context. Bunte interviewed Charlene's friends in Feb. 2006, including Sarah Poewe who was with Charlene in Monaco in 2001 (actually, there's a newsletter online of a church where Sarah worked where she mentioned that her friend Charlene was coming to visit her - this was soon after Charlene's Turin appearance). Finally, as with everything on this board, we each are presented with the same information and each of us will decide what we want to believe on so many topics and even pictures. But, in this case there is a truth and I don't think any of us posters are in on it. If we were were wouldn't need these thousands of posts and Charlene and Albert. All I did was presented some information with my opinion as to whether Charlene and Albert had ANY contact from June 2001 to Dec 2006. Ghislaine asked my theory and I happily provided it with evidence. Sorry, but I am a researcher in the real world and it's just a habit of mine of at least trying to back up my theory with some semblance of evidence. I never stated it as fact. It's just my opionion, although rather strong one.

A while back on another forum there was a distinction made between where the public yachts were kept and the private ones because many people thought that the public ones were the private ones so I was just distinguishing between those two. I agree he is a serial dater and it's possible that he used Charlene and then she was promoted. I am a former researcher as part of my profession and while not currently using that skill I was not referring to you in that regard. Often quotes get repeated from magazine to magazine and sometimes they are changed in meaning by the way they are edited. Charlene all on her own has told many versions of things like her training such as the amount of time in the pool went from one magazine which said she said 2 hours to another where her coach gave a different story and that is what I mean about context. It is often hard to find the original source for things as the meaning gets shifted over time. After a while it all becomes suspect.

Your theory is plausible but to me not probable as he had plenty of other women much closer than SA to keep him occupied and that is why he gave her his number so she could call him when she was in Monaco. It's possible given what we have seen of her personality that she then pursued him like all the other women seem to, but getting through his security would have been difficult and I am sure his staff are used to women calling the general switchboard and claiming to have met him. Perhaps he has a secret list of names that his staff is given and he adds one to the list but I don't think so. So unless she went after him, I doubt he would bothered to chase her. I did read around '05 on some blog whose name escapes me that he was spotted in SA over New Year's with "some blonde" who was reported to be hanging all over him, but I didn't think a thing of it at the time- until Charlene came along and I found this board. So again I'm not challenging your integrity but that of the magazines and of Charlene herself who has proven to be an unreliable source herself.

 

[paca]

Anyone remember this article that circled the net briefly after Rainier died? It was about Albert and Albert's friends approaching women to marry him? And then shortly after his official ascension in November he travels to South Africa and not long after he presents Charlene? At the time I thought it was nasty, but I'm beginning to think that there is some truth to it. Maybe he went through his book (or the technical equivalent of it) and had people check up on what happened and who was available and sort of presentable. She had to have had some experience with the press but not too much. Done some photoshoots etc etc. The more I think about it, the more I wonder... Charlene does fit the bill of the article. Maybe someone remebers it or can find it?

Hibou the blond, wasn't that from the page six article around the princess grace awards? I don't remember the year though.but I think it was 2 years ago.

 

[hibou]

Anyone remember this article that circled the net briefly after Rainier died? It was about Albert and Albert's friends approaching women to marry him? And then shortly after his official ascension in November he travels to South Africa and not long after he presents Charlene? At the time I thought it was nasty, but I'm beginning to think that there is some truth to it. Maybe he went through his book (or the technical equivalent of it) and had people check up on what happened and who was available and sort of presentable. She had to have had some experience with the press but not too much. Done some photoshoots etc etc. The more I think about it, the more I wonder... Charlene does fit the bill of the article. Maybe someone remebers it or can find it?

I remember that article paca and I thought it was a joke but the puzzle pieces fit and it would explain why he went so public with Charlene at the Turin games. There was a mention of a blond at the PGA in a page six story, but this was some really strange blog, I don't even know how I got there that mentioned a blonde from SA before the incident you remember so that two "blonde" reports with no name could well have been Charlene. In which case early fall 2005 might be the first blonde report. I am beginning to think the "marriage list" story might have some truth to it because at the time it was reported we didn't know about Alex and for sure about Jazmin so he might have felt the need to get married ASAP but then Charlene seemed to blow it. I guess he is still trying to make it work even though she seems to have turned into a PR failure for him. Perhaps by August he will wake up and smell the coffee that this isn't a good idea. Or maybe he realizes that the "trio" are a better PR pull for Monaco than he is with yet another girlfriend because of his age. The ball is only a couple weeks away!

 

[pinklady1991]

Anyone remember this article that circled the net briefly after Rainier died? It was about Albert and Albert's friends approaching women to marry him? And then shortly after his official ascension in November he travels to South Africa and not long after he presents Charlene? At the time I thought it was nasty, but I'm beginning to think that there is some truth to it. Maybe he went through his book (or the technical equivalent of it) and had people check up on what happened and who was available and sort of presentable. She had to have had some experience with the press but not too much. Done some photoshoots etc etc. The more I think about it, the more I wonder... Charlene does fit the bill of the article. Maybe someone remebers it or can find it?

Paca, I remember that article too and thought it was a cheap shot after the whole Nicole debacle and the stories about Tamara starting to surface again. Then, suddenly Charlene appeared. What makes me wonder is if Charlene was approached as a way to counter for what could have been PR devastating stories. Then there was a bit of press, and the whole world shrugged. I don't think Charlene was approached as a potential fiancee but as a decoy to make Albert seem like he was making an attempt to amend for his playboy ways. By keeping her around and semi-public, particularly when things aren't going that well for Albert in terms of his political influence, it's a counter balance. I dunno...just my opinion...anyone have any thoughts.

But then again, she's been around for at least 18 months...but I have to wonder who is in the wings.

 

[Lady Jennifer]

Let's get back onto the subject at hand- this is not a thread to rehash old issues.

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[Verde Esmeralda]

Charlene's really good looking, too bad her back is soooo wide from swimming...and that doesn't really match the gala gowns!

Just a snobbish comment to help cool things down in this thread

 

[Jaya]

Correct

They were not at the Athens game together. I know someone who sat near Albert and there was no Charlene at the 2000 games. Of course they weren't glued to him only sitting near him, and there have been no pics of them from those games and if it were true they would have surfaced by now as the razzi could get some good cash for them, and I'm sure the other press would have picked up on it by now too. It helps with the fairytale story. At the time he may have still been with Alicia Warlick another blonde but one with brains. Sorry but I am certain he was not with her in Athens from various accounts.

In fact you are correct hibou. Pa and Charlene were not together at the Athens Olympics at all. The theory that she was on his yacht is implausible as all yachts were out of the Pireaus area and strict security was everywhere.In order for his yacht to have been in the Aegean, Tourist Police would have had to know the identity of the occupants -such was the security. So the fact is there was no Charlene either in Athens or on a yacht.Only someone who does not know and has never been to Greece and Athens would say she "might" have been there because they do not know what it entails to enter Greece and Athens in particular.
At the opening ceremonies Pa formally observing protocol wore a dark suit with white shirt and tie and stood up to enthusiastically send his kind salutations as soon as Monaco entered. Later at the receptions of various prominent Athenians like Dora Bakoyiannis the then mayor he was not seen with Charlene.Nor as he strode by in the Grande Bretagne hotel or various other places was a woman seen to be with him or incognito anywhere. I am certain the Athenians would have immediately picked up on the fact of a woman having been there as his companion.
Pa walked gracefully past me a couple of times in Athens itself[he is fair] and I never saw a woman with him of any size shape or form.I thought he comported himself with a dignity that resembled his father's.But he did remind me of his mom in so many ways. I have to agree hibou, no Charlene in Athens.And certainly your friends are correct.
So I do not think Charlene was there in Pa's life yet in the serious manner she is today.
I think today and tomorrow will tell us about Miss Wittstock and I wish she had been at the Athens Olympics as I think that it gave everyone who attended a new perspective.
I think Miss Wittsock is an athlete who missed Athens 2000 but wish her the best for the coming Olympic Games of Beijing.

 

[Henri M.]

The theory that she was on his yacht is implausible as all yachts were out of the Pireaus area and strict security was everywhere.

Yes. All yachts. But possibly not the yacht of The Sovereign Prince and with an IOC-member (!) aboard....

 

[paca]

I think Miss Wittsock is an athlete who missed Athens 2000 but wish her the best for the coming Olympic Games of Beijing.

Well she certainly missed Athens 2000 as she was in Sydney for the Olympics at the time, where some other prince was busy getting himself a wife.

 

[MyAdia]

In fact you are correct hibou. Pa and Charlene were not together at the Athens Olympics at all. The theory that she was on his yacht is implausible as all yachts were out of the Pireaus area and strict security was everywhere.In order for his yacht to have been in the Aegean, Tourist Police would have had to know the identity of the occupants -such was the security. So the fact is there was no Charlene either in Athens or on a yacht.Only someone who does not know and has never been to Greece and Athens would say she "might" have been there because they do not know what it entails to enter Greece and Athens in particular.
At the opening ceremonies Pa formally observing protocol wore a dark suit with white shirt and tie and stood up to enthusiastically send his kind salutations as soon as Monaco entered. Later at the receptions of various prominent Athenians like Dora Bakoyiannis the then mayor he was not seen with Charlene.Nor as he strode by in the Grande Bretagne hotel or various other places was a woman seen to be with him or incognito anywhere. I am certain the Athenians would have immediately picked up on the fact of a woman having been there as his companion.
Pa walked gracefully past me a couple of times in Athens itself[he is fair] and I never saw a woman with him of any size shape or form.I thought he comported himself with a dignity that resembled his father's.But he did remind me of his mom in so many ways. I have to agree hibou, no Charlene in Athens.And certainly your friends are correct.
So I do not think Charlene was there in Pa's life yet in the serious manner she is today.
I think today and tomorrow will tell us about Miss Wittstock and I wish she had been at the Athens Olympics as I think that it gave everyone who attended a new perspective.
I think Miss Wittsock is an athlete who missed Athens 2000 but wish her the best for the coming Olympic Games of Beijing.

Clearly, you skipped over my very first point.

1. Charlene didn’t have to attend any Olympic events with Albert for her to meet up with him. I don’t think that Albert would drag someone as indiscreet as Charlene out in public while Rainier was alive. Absence of a picture (or your friends not seeing him with a woman) is not solid proof that Charlene was not with him at any night for “secret duties” on a yacht during the Olympics.


Not once did I state that Albert took Charlene to any particular sporting event nor did I state that she was on his yacht in Athens. I'll repeat and then I'll let it rest. IMO, Prince Albert during the Athens Olympics (again Athens is used as an adjective) probably shared his bed with a woman (or women) at some time or spent some time on a yacht with a woman (as I have seen in dozens of pictures). And, I believe one of those women was blabber mouth Charlene. Actually, my point was to show that Albert and Charlene's relationship from the beginning was never an exclusive one. Charlene was never so special to him that he was willing to let go other women and focus only on her and today it is perhaps the same.

 

[paca]

Yes. All yachts. But possibly not the yacht of The Sovereign Prince and with an IOC-member (!) aboard....

Albert was not sovereign Prince in 2004 and Rainier did not attend. Besides I doubt that Albert would have used his own yacht. He has plenty of people who would be willing to arrange things for him. So unless anyone has direct access to the guestlists of all the yachts present in the area, I don't think we can be sure that she wasn't there. I do remember that in her first interview in 2001 she said that she lost the number, but she came back in 2002. So easy enough for her to get his number again and email. What happened after we don't know. I think we shoud stick with what we do know. ANd to me the most important thing to know is that she did not leave him after he publicly declared that he wouldn't get married and she saw pics of him feeling other women. Just recently we saw pics of her sitting next to Albert while he was putting his arm around a married woman and that same woman putting her hand on his knee and all that right under her husbands eyes and even worse in front of the children. And all that Charlene seems to worry about is that the little boy covers her face on the picture. Sorry but I found those pics from the white party rather disgusting. But then again I don't believe in getting too close to people who are not part of the immediate family. I believe that closeness with friends can be established in other ways then physical contact.

 

[MyAdia]

Well she certainly missed Athens 2000 as she was in Sydney for the Olympics at the time, where some other prince was busy getting himself a wife.

Actually, I believe the more official version is that this particular other couple met each other during the Sydney Olympics, which is an accurate statement (and I guess sounds better than saying that they met at the Slip Inn bar in Sydney). So, it is plausible for a girl to meet up with a prince DURING an Olympics and NOT attend a single sporting event (and not pe published in the tabloids at the time). Didn't Queen Silvia meet her future husband at an Olympics? So, perhaps the Olympics is the place to hook up with a prince or king. But, by 2008 Albert may be off the market, time will tell.

 

[paca]

Actually, I believe the more official version is that this particular other couple met each other during the Sydney Olympics, which is an accurate statement (and I guess sounds better than saying that they met at the Slip Inn bar in Sydney). So, it is plausible for a girl to meet up with a prince DURING an Olympics and NOT attend a single sporting event (and not pe published in the tabloids at the time). Didn't Queen Silvia meet her future husband at an Olympics? So, perhaps the Olympics is the place to hook up with a prince or king. But, by 2008 Albert may be off the market, time will tell.

Especially if you know what slip inn stands for in Australian slang . And yes Silvia met Carl Gustav in Munich as she was working there as a VIP hostess due to the many languages she spoke and her education as translator (though she did not speak swedish and after swedish papers published about her contacted frequently a German tabloid reporter who spoke fluent swedish for translation). She worked 2 years later also in Insbruck in the same position.

 

[lilae]

Albert was not sovereign Prince in 2004 and Rainier did not attend. Besides I doubt that Albert would have used his own yacht. He has plenty of people who would be willing to arrange things for him. So unless anyone has direct access to the guestlists of all the yachts present in the area, I don't think we can be sure that she wasn't there. I do remember that in her first interview in 2001 she said that she lost the number, but she came back in 2002. So easy enough for her to get his number again and email. What happened after we don't know. I think we shoud stick with what we do know. ANd to me the most important thing to know is that she did not leave him after he publicly declared that he wouldn't get married and she saw pics of him feeling other women. Just recently we saw pics of her sitting next to Albert while he was putting his arm around a married woman and that same woman putting her hand on his knee and all that right under her husbands eyes and even worse in front of the children. And all that Charlene seems to worry about is that the little boy covers her face on the picture. Sorry but I found those pics from the white party rather disgusting. But then again I don't believe in getting too close to people who are not part of the immediate family. I believe that closeness with friends can be established in other ways then physical contact.

I didn't notice I'm not sure i saw this pic.
She didn't leave him because she has nothing else IMO, MyAdia posted about an opportunist girl and I agree.. she's a shameless girl...Yes, closenes with friends doesn't need physical contact, but if i remember this party was publicity (private society in Monaco)...the woman wanted perhaps pics with Albert for using Albert's image or to say later "he's a very good friend so my society is famous and glamour."(?????) I was told by friends that girls were posing in front of razzis with their hands on Albert... for publicity... (not sure that those girls are good girls)

 

[Jaya]

Clearly, you skipped over my very first point.

1. Charlene didn’t have to attend any Olympic events with Albert for her to meet up with him. I don’t think that Albert would drag someone as indiscreet as Charlene out in public while Rainier was alive. Absence of a picture (or your friends not seeing him with a woman) is not solid proof that Charlene was not with him at any night for “secret duties” on a yacht during the Olympics.


Not once did I state that Albert took Charlene to any particular sporting event nor did I state that she was on his yacht in Athens. I'll repeat and then I'll let it rest. IMO, Prince Albert during the Athens Olympics (again Athens is used as an adjective) probably shared his bed with a woman (or women) at some time or spent some time on a yacht with a woman (as I have seen in dozens of pictures). And, I believe one of those women was blabber mouth Charlene. Actually, my point was to show that Albert and Charlene's relationship from the beginning was never an exclusive one. Charlene was never so special to him that he was willing to let go other women and focus only on her and today it is perhaps the same.

None of your points have been overlooked.
Good you know you are right MyAdia he "probably" did share his bed because you say so "probably"with my Ava Gardner look alike girlfriend Vivian, economist born and raised Athenian and all of this [again Vivian is used as an adjective]
But strange Vivian never saw Miss Wittsock anywhere and she does not consider her a "blabber mouth" either but very charming.

 

[Lady Jennifer]

Since people do not want to listen to warnings to get back onto topic this thread is closed again for Moderator Review.