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Old 06-15-2007, 01:02 PM
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I am sorry but I think she will never live up to the standards of Princess Grace or Princess Caroline.

Charlene is very pretty, dresses cute, has a nice figure...but she is lacking that serene, regal princess vibe that will be so missed if she is to become Albert's wife.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:42 PM
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I guess she chose the appropriate dress after all then. It is just perfect with mothballs
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:46 PM
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TODO APUNTA A QUE ESTA VEZ ALBERTO DE MÓNACO SÍ PASARÁ POR EL ALTAR

new article about these two.

sugar coated is an understatement when it comes to this article. nothing new just that she is becoming more prominent in Monaco and that she supposedly epitomizes everything the monegasques have been praying for the past two decades.

national glory in SA, "feminine siren", and a quote of her saying Albert treats her like "a queen".

le sigh.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:31 PM
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TODO APUNTA A QUE ESTA VEZ ALBERTO DE MÓNACO SÍ PASARÁ POR EL ALTAR

new article about these two.

sugar coated is an understatement when it comes to this article. nothing new just that she is becoming more prominent in Monaco and that she supposedly epitomizes everything the monegasques have been praying for the past two decades.

national glory in SA, "feminine siren", and a quote of her saying Albert treats her like "a queen".

le sigh.
"el Soberano que la hace sentir “como una reina” (palabras textuales de la nadadora)." he makes her feel "like a queen" (textual words of the swimmer)

"he makes her feel".... do not mean that he said it!!!
she is not the only one to have had this impression, all the partners of Albert were treated by him "like queens"!!!
that shows with what a not she is naive!!! or makes us believe her...

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Old 06-15-2007, 02:33 PM
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But I think that Monaco has always had this mercenary type of reputation although Grace's presence put a shiny veneer of respectability on it. Wasn't Monaco's main claim to fame before Grace its gambling casino and its tax haven status for the rich? To a lot of Monagesques, Grace's main value is that she attracted a lot more people to visit Monaco and gamble in the casinos. I even think a large number of the people you see in Monaco are not originally Monagesque but they are either in town for the gambling or they've moved to Monaco to save on taxes. Monaco seems supported by a (shall I say) a mercenary population?

But then again, that may be all it can support. Its a very tiny country and it doesn't have any room to grow and support industry and jobs if a lot of people decide they want to make Monaco their home. I think because of Monaco's size, its hard for it to escape its main value being an entertainment spectacle and a guilty pleasure for the rest of the world. Albert seems to do something with sports which is more reputable than other types of entertainment so maybe he and Charlene could make a good pair for Monaco. Its not Rainier and Grace but it could work.
Sorry, but you are absolutely mistaken with your image of Monaco. I know that this is what most people think of when Monaco is being mentioned, but it does not conclude with the economic realities of the state. Gambling is one of the lesser sources of income and indeed Monaco has quite some difficulties to attract those major players who are ready to lose 1 million and up per evening. There are 2 cosmetic companies, Lancaster and biotherm, several vitamin and nutrition supplement companies, a porcellain maunfacturer, a carproducer, a supplier of plastic parts for several major German car companies (actually there are 2 in the same field but I think only one of them supplies car companies) several petrol companies, etc etc. Gambling is actually one of the minor economic sectors. Realestate, construction and finance are also very important and there small software developers. Tourism is of course important, but mostly you have business tourists for congresses and the one day tourist with busses and ships. The average stay does not exceed 3 days.

Unfortunetely inspite of what Albert set out to do, people still don't see the real Monaco and the hard working people. One should not forget that over 30.000 people travel each day to Monaco to work. Few of them to the casinos as that is a sector that is mostly reserved to Monegasques. Without Monaco, unemployment would rise way beyond the 18% in the surrounding communities. And I wouldn't call the average Monegasques mercenary. There are some and some mercenaries have been made Monegasque, but I wouldn't consider them representative.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:35 PM
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"el Soberano que la hace sentir “como una reina” (palabras textuales de la nadadora)." he makes her feel "like a queen" (textual words of the swimmer)

"he makes her feel".... do not mean that he said it!!!
she is not the only one to have had this impression, all the partners of Albert were treated by him "like queens"!!!

lckc571
I think you are right lckc I can't remember the exact articles on past girlfriends but I remember it was in the same context if they didn't use the word queen it had a similar meaning and when things looked like they were getting serious the same things were said about each. I wonder if anyone could turn up old articles that could show this?
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:28 PM
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Sorry, but you are absolutely mistaken with your image of Monaco. I know that this is what most people think of when Monaco is being mentioned, but it does not conclude with the economic realities of the state. Gambling is one of the lesser sources of income and indeed Monaco has quite some difficulties to attract those major players who are ready to lose 1 million and up per evening. There are 2 cosmetic companies, Lancaster and biotherm, several vitamin and nutrition supplement companies, a porcellain maunfacturer, a carproducer, a supplier of plastic parts for several major German car companies (actually there are 2 in the same field but I think only one of them supplies car companies) several petrol companies, etc etc. Gambling is actually one of the minor economic sectors. Realestate, construction and finance are also very important and there small software developers. Tourism is of course important, but mostly you have business tourists for congresses and the one day tourist with busses and ships. The average stay does not exceed 3 days.

Unfortunetely inspite of what Albert set out to do, people still don't see the real Monaco and the hard working people. One should not forget that over 30.000 people travel each day to Monaco to work. Few of them to the casinos as that is a sector that is mostly reserved to Monegasques. Without Monaco, unemployment would rise way beyond the 18% in the surrounding communities. And I wouldn't call the average Monegasques mercenary. There are some and some mercenaries have been made Monegasque, but I wouldn't consider them representative.
Thank you so very much " pragmatic" paca for those truths.
People who have never been to Monaco, lived or studied the principality
have many delusions about reality as it applies there extenuatingly.
CW would have to understand these I hope.
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Old 06-15-2007, 04:35 PM
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yeah, sure, maybe if she could finish school, dress apporately not dress for attention, do her hair and i mean comb and style it for goodness sake, be honest in what she is training for, have some real goals, and have a future plan. then my opinion will change about her but it really dosen't matter what all of our opinions are of her because we dont have to live with her. plus its not my brother she is marrying
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:20 PM
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yeah, sure, maybe if she could finish school, dress apporately not dress for attention, do her hair and i mean comb and style it for goodness sake, be honest in what she is training for, have some real goals, and have a future plan. then my opinion will change about her but it really dosen't matter what all of our opinions are of her because we dont have to live with her. plus its not my brother she is marrying
Finish School?! You mean she hasn't...
I haven't read all threads about her, I guess I should have... I didn't even like her so far, but now...
OMG
Oh, yeah, I agree with the rest of your post too, esp. the "its not my brother she's marrying" part!
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:33 PM
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Sorry, but you are absolutely mistaken with your image of Monaco. I know that this is what most people think of when Monaco is being mentioned, but it does not conclude with the economic realities of the state. Gambling is one of the lesser sources of income and indeed Monaco has quite some difficulties to attract those major players who are ready to lose 1 million and up per evening. There are 2 cosmetic companies, Lancaster and biotherm, several vitamin and nutrition supplement companies, a porcellain maunfacturer, a carproducer, a supplier of plastic parts for several major German car companies (actually there are 2 in the same field but I think only one of them supplies car companies) several petrol companies, etc etc. Gambling is actually one of the minor economic sectors. Realestate, construction and finance are also very important and there small software developers. Tourism is of course important, but mostly you have business tourists for congresses and the one day tourist with busses and ships. The average stay does not exceed 3 days.

Unfortunetely inspite of what Albert set out to do, people still don't see the real Monaco and the hard working people. One should not forget that over 30.000 people travel each day to Monaco to work. Few of them to the casinos as that is a sector that is mostly reserved to Monegasques. Without Monaco, unemployment would rise way beyond the 18% in the surrounding communities. And I wouldn't call the average Monegasques mercenary. There are some and some mercenaries have been made Monegasque, but I wouldn't consider them representative.
Thank you paca your posts are always so educational. I hadn't realized how much the economy of Monaco had shifted. I thought banking was huge also?
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:19 PM
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If you like or not, she's going to be a princess of monaco. the pictures on the evnts in the last year shows the strong relationship that albert has with charlene.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:57 PM
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My point was that I think that with Albert's sisters' marriage history, neither Caroline nor Stephanie can point a judgmental and disapproving finger to Albert about his dating Charlene.

Do you think they would?
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:59 PM
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If you like or not, she's going to be a princess of monaco. the pictures on the evnts in the last year shows the strong relationship that albert has with charlene.
We do not have to like it as it is "stipulated"by you or them.
They cannot impose a popularity they do not have and may have a resistance& difficulty earning.
When &if the people in the Hippodrome push back your stipulations&the princess of Monaco becoming or not will be meaningless.
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:13 PM
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But my point was that I think that with Albert's sisters' marriage history, neither Caroline nor Stephanie can point a judgmental and disapproving finger to Albert about his dating Charlene.

Do you think they would?[/quote]
Neither of these two Caro or Steph was going to become the sovereign and have Monaco hang in the balance because of their choices.I do not why the marriage history of Caro and Steph are now part of the moral majority's record on file.[especially since Caro has been known to be litigious and wants her privacy]
The balance of Monaco's future lies soley on Albert's shoulders.
This is not a suburban family that is affluent.
This is the dynasty of the Grimaldis.
I am not positive but I think the sisters have imparted their disdain for the lady.Just how deep this goes is difficult to speculate and something I am not likely to do.
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:24 PM
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But my point was that I think that with Albert's sisters' marriage history, neither Caroline nor Stephanie can point a judgmental and disapproving finger to Albert about his dating Charlene.

Do you think they would?
I don't know what they would or could do; I know after her mother's death Caroline has taken on her all the responsabilities that fell on her (and at times also some of her siblings) as repeatedly acknowledged by Prince Rainier, and for that I respect her.
Plus I know I am pointing a disapproving finger at Albert, and not only for dating Charlene, who might be a very dear girl, but doesn't seem fit to be the next Princess of Monaco. I still hope I'm wrong about her, but that's what I hoped about Albert when Rainier died and he has definitely not met my expectations.
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:42 PM
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But my point was that I think that with Albert's sisters' marriage history, neither Caroline nor Stephanie can point a judgmental and disapproving finger to Albert about his dating Charlene.

Do you think they would?
I do not think so. Albert is their brother and I believe they will support him because only the 3 of them know what it has been like to have a life like theirs, with the parents they have had, and all of the other things they have had to put up with.

So whether they like his girlfriend or not, it is not about her. IMO they will support him because they love him and they want him to be happy.

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Old 06-15-2007, 07:43 PM
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But my point was that I think that with Albert's sisters' marriage history, neither Caroline nor Stephanie can point a judgmental and disapproving finger to Albert about his dating Charlene.

Do you think they would?
Albert's sisters are older and wiser now and Caroline has stayed married to Ernst someone her Mother wanted her to marry in the first place when they were both young and before anyone including Grace could have imagined his problem with alcohol. Also with their father gone even Stephanie has toned down her behavior and has done a remarkable job with the charities she oversees. She is slowly earning everyone's respect and if her kids turn out with their heads on straight and their feet on the ground she will be admired but time will tell on the later.
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Neither of these two Caro or Steph was going to become the sovereign and have Monaco hang in the balance because of their choices.I do not why the marriage history of Caro and Steph are now part of the moral majority's record on file.[especially since Caro has been known to be litigious and wants her privacy]
Point well taken about Caro or Steph not being the sovereign but if Albert doesn't straighten up, get married and beget a heir, then Caro and then Andrea will be the sovereign so their character will be important then.

We all make moral judgments about people. You're making a moral judgment about Charlene's character solely from pictures and a few interviews she's done. Its perfectly human nature to judge people based on a little evidence although it is sometimes not very fair. The differences between people show in the different moral judgements we make for or against a person.
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I do not think so. Albert is their brother and I believe they will support him because only the 3 of them know what it has been like to have a life like theirs, with the parents they have had, and all of the other things they have had to put up with.

So whether they like his girlfriend or not, it is not about her. IMO they will support him because they love him and they want him to be happy.

JMO
That, I think is very true and that is one trait I admire about Albert, Caro, and Stephanie.

They are all very supportive of each other, probably because they have made mistakes and survived.
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That, I think is very true and that is one trait I admire about Albert, Caro, and Stephanie.

They are all very supportive of each other, probably because they have made mistakes and survived.
yes, I agree. and they have had to live their mistakes in the public eye - they are the 3 that would know what it is like in that family, to always have to put up with all of that. Like yourself, I admire that of them very much. The 3 of them support one another.

I think that no matter what, they will always be there for Albert and he will always be there for them through everything.

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