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Old 11-21-2010, 12:22 AM
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Much has been made about what Charlene does not bring (i.e. her lack of education, her lack of charity work, etc) to the table as future Princess of Monaco. This is not the place to bash Charlene on what she isn't. That is not the purpose of this thread. Please offer suggestions on what you think Charlene can do to make her mark in a positive way as future Princess of Monaco.

Let's try to keep the Grace comparisons to a minimum. Charlene is NOT Grace.

Also, please respect the opinion of other TRF posters who might disagree with you. You can't expect people to respect your opinion, if you don't respect theirs. We can all agree to disagree.

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I agree with you completely. Princess Grace was a remarkable woman with many admirable qualities, however, it's unreasonable (not to mention unfair) to hold Charlene Wittstock to any "standard" that one might feel is worthy of her predecessor. Both Grace and Charlene deserve far better than that. They should both be admired and appreciated based upon their own merits.

To answer your question regarding how Charlene can make her mark on Monaco, it is my humble and respectful opinion to say at this point, she should keep her eyes and ears open and her mouth shut. I reached this conclusion based upon the recent interview that she granted the British gossip magazine, Tatler. In it, she made several disparaging remarks about her personal life (specifically as it relates to certain of her insecurities of life in Monaco) and her future hopes (modernizing Monaco by opening up coffee houses and high-end shoe stores). I mean seriously, if someone asked her what a princess does and that was the most intelligent response she could come up with (especially with the track record of highly accomplished royals - both past and present), it would be to Charlene's benefit (and Monaco's as well), to give back the ring and return to South Africa, post-haste.

In the interview, she referred to being the subject of jealousy and other what-nots. She bemoans the lack of friendship, the adjustment to protocol and the fact that the people of Monaco don't take to her South African humor. Having studied no fewer than a dozen books (and an untold number of exclusive magazine articles) on Princess Grace, I must say that Miss Wittstock's public airing of her woes (and at such a time as this, the pre-marital period) is most un-princesslike.

I don't know how Charlene feels or what she's going through, but if experience is indeed a teacher, she should take a lesson from her predecessor. While Grace readily admitted, on several ocassions, that she hadn't had it easy in her role as princess and that her life was never the fairy-tale the world wanted it to be, she stopped short of disrespecting her husband or their people by publicly assaulting them or her enemies (and yes, she had several). Grace may very well have spoken of her ills (and the people who inflicted them), but she did so tactfully and in a most discreet manner which allowed her to vent her frustrations while maintaining her dignity... and allowing others to do the same.

I'm unclear on what form of training that Charlene is currently taking to prepare her for her future role, but my advice to her would be this - with all the free time you have running off at the mouth to gossip mags (which can only diminish your standing in the eyes of your new homeland), it would be wise that you devote your time and efforts to mastering the culture and language of Monaco not only through books, but by going out and engaging effortlessly with your people. You should also carefully study the personal lives and reigns of successful royal wives (i.e. Princess Grace; Queen Alexandra, consort of Edward VII of Great Britain; and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother) and learn well their lessons.

Take note Charlene, dignity and discretion are 2 ingredients that can make for a very successful princess. History has shown us (through Prince Charles, Princess Diana and others) that on odds, absolutely no good can come of this. You are a beautiful and accomplished woman in your own right, build upon these with other strengths which I'm sure you possess. They will serve you well for carving out an indelible image of your own. One in which you, and the world, can be most proud of.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:43 AM
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Based on interview Charlene made in 2006 for Paris Match I know that she is high school drop out. She could complete her education, at least high school and then take some college classes. She should do this for herself and for Monaco. If she represents Monaco in future she should understand some basics about politics, history of her country, culture. Finally, she should learn French so she can keep simple conversation. The unfortunate interview she gave to Patrick Poivre d'Arvor was embarrassment. When it was aired in France they had to translate what she said in French, so Frenchmen could understand her.
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Lakhsmi, I still remain unconvinced that CW will do any or all of the things you listed.

I just hope and pray that she does not take her new "job" for granted.
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I agree with you completely. Princess Grace was a remarkable woman with many admirable qualities, however, it's unreasonable (not to mention unfair) to hold Charlene Wittstock to any "standard" that one might feel is worthy of her predecessor. Both Grace and Charlene deserve far better than that. They should both be admired and appreciated based upon their own merits.

To answer your question regarding how Charlene can make her mark on Monaco, it is my humble and respectful opinion to say at this point, she should keep her eyes and ears open and her mouth shut. I reached this conclusion based upon the recent interview that she granted the British gossip magazine, Tatler. In it, she made several disparaging remarks about her personal life (specifically as it relates to certain of her insecurities of life in Monaco) and her future hopes (modernizing Monaco by opening up coffee houses and high-end shoe stores). I mean seriously, if someone asked her what a princess does and that was the most intelligent response she could come up with (especially with the track record of highly accomplished royals - both past and present), it would be to Charlene's benefit (and Monaco's as well), to give back the ring and return to South Africa, post-haste.

In the interview, she referred to being the subject of jealousy and other what-nots. She bemoans the lack of friendship, the adjustment to protocol and the fact that the people of Monaco don't take to her South African humor. Having studied no fewer than a dozen books (and an untold number of exclusive magazine articles) on Princess Grace, I must say that Miss Wittstock's public airing of her woes (and at such a time as this, the pre-marital period) is most un-princesslike.

I don't know how Charlene feels or what she's going through, but if experience is indeed a teacher, she should take a lesson from her predecessor. While Grace readily admitted, on several ocassions, that she hadn't had it easy in her role as princess and that her life was never the fairy-tale the world wanted it to be, she stopped short of disrespecting her husband or their people by publicly assaulting them or her enemies (and yes, she had several). Grace may very well have spoken of her ills (and the people who inflicted them), but she did so tactfully and in a most discreet manner which allowed her to vent her frustrations while maintaining her dignity... and allowing others to do the same.

I'm unclear on what form of training that Charlene is currently taking to prepare her for her future role, but my advice to her would be this - with all the free time you have running off at the mouth to gossip mags (which can only diminish your standing in the eyes of your new homeland), it would be wise that you devote your time and efforts to mastering the culture and language of Monaco not only through books, but by going out and engaging effortlessly with your people. You should also carefully study the personal lives and reigns of successful royal wives (i.e. Princess Grace; Queen Alexandra, consort of Edward VII of Great Britain; and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother) and learn well their lessons.

Take note Charlene, dignity and discretion are 2 ingredients that can make for a very successful princess. History has shown us (through Prince Charles, Princess Diana and others) that on odds, absolutely no good can come of this. You are a beautiful and accomplished woman in your own right, build upon these with other strengths which I'm sure you possess. They will serve you well for carving out an indelible image of your own. One in which you, and the world, can be most proud of.

Excellent, excellent post. I want to give Charlene a chance, but your reservations about her apparent lack of discretion, not to mention her lack of intellectual curiosity...are the same as mine.

There is simply no excuse for her not being proficient in French after four years of living in the Principality. There is no excuse for her not to have completed her education.

The solution, as you stated...is to SHUT UP, swallow her pride, and seek guidance from Princesses Caroline and Stephanie. Albert and the Palace should also get involved.

Looking like a Princess is only part of the job!
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:29 AM
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Thanks, SimplyAmazing and Lakshmi, for these elegant summaries....

......unfortunately, those who are in the greatest need of learning are often the ones who feel themselves above or beyond any need of it.
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Excellent, excellent post. I want to give Charlene a chance, but your reservations about her apparent lack of discretion, not to mention her lack of intellectual curiosity...are the same as mine.

There is simply no excuse for her not being proficient in French after four years of living in the Principality. There is no excuse for her not to have completed her education.

The solution, as you stated...is to SHUT UP, swallow her pride, and seek guidance from Princesses Caroline and Stephanie. Albert and the Palace should also get involved.

Looking like a Princess is only part of the job!
Yes, i agree
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What Charlene Can do to make her mark on Monaco?

... bow out gracefully




Seriously though, people really change, but willing to give her a chance it would be my hope that she manages to demonstrate that she has some substance to her besides having been a competitive swimmer.

And also...lay off the plastic surgery.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:55 PM
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I agree with many who say that she should be proficient in French by now - 4 yrs (if she cared) is plenty of time to have mastered conversational French. I think she needs to find a cause important to the Principality and focus on that, which will help her win over skeptics that think the pairing is a superficial situation - whereby, he HAS to get married and produce an heir, and she was the best of what was available. He is so stiff (even after 4 yrs), and she seems to just enjoy the spot light and perks of dating him....I just don't see any sort of natural connection between them....maybe I'm missing something, but recent interview(s), and pictures don't change my mind (yet).
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She probably will have a foundation with something related to sports. It would be natural given that she is a professional swimmer.
And something related to poor kids in SA, maybe. I don't know what the might have in mind.
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She probably will have a foundation with something related to sports. It would be natural given that she is a professional swimmer.
And something related to poor kids in SA, maybe. I don't know what the might have in mind.
That would be smart to have her concentrate on something with children, as well as the Principalities relationship with Nelson Mandela, and South Africa - if she's sincere, it won't take much effort - charity is either in your heart....or, it's not....
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I think she would be able to set up and run a charitable foundation. Sport, especially swimming, would be the obvious choice, but if she could revert to her "schoolteacher" job (presumably teaching kids to swim), then that would raise her profile almost as much as becoming more proficient in French.
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Whatever patronages she chooses can't step on the toes of anything that Stephanie or Caroline does. So nothing with AIDS or is similiar to AMADE.

There are plenty of other causes to support (i.e. ,obesity, infant mortality, cancer, etc.). And of course supporting Albert.
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On the Monaco government website there is a section called "Groupements associatifs de Monaco" - http://www.gouv.mc/Dataweb/AssocMc.nsf

For such a small country, Monaco seems to have an almost endless list of voluntary organisations, clubs, associations etc.

I've been browsing for groups which Charlene might find useful or interesting in her prospective work as "Première Dame":

Club des Residents étrangers de Monaco (CREW)
Monte-Carlo Forum for spoken English
Association Monégasque pour l'enfance (for children)
Association Internationale de Promotion en Médecine et Sciences du Sport
Munegu Bambin Maroti (Monegasques Bébés Malades)
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Charlene is in a difficult position as she is essentially usurping the role that Caroline has played since the death of her mother, and at a time when Caroline is so vulnerable. However, IMO Charlene is no less suited to be princess than any other pretty girl. A princess's role is to go out there, look smashing, be patron of as many charities as she can and toot the horn of the principality around the world. Her personal happiness is really no one else's concern. She chose this life and its a package deal. I think after Diana, anyone who doesn't realize that is pretty much brain dead.

He has chosen her to do his duty to the principality. Even if he loves her I can't see it reforming him.
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Several other posters have commented on the perceived lack of passion between the two. Maybe there is some truth in that.

I felt sad after reading the two final sentences. Does the duty not lie with him, rather than her? Does he want to be reformed?
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What Charlene Can do to make her mark on Monaco?

... bow out gracefully




Seriously though, people really change, but willing to give her a chance it would be my hope that she manages to demonstrate that she has some substance to her besides having been a competitive swimmer.

And also...lay off the plastic surgery.
I couldn't have said it better!!
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I really like Grimaldis. And I think that once Charlene becomes princess the principality will go downhill. The problem with Charlene is not only her lack of education and doing nothing about that, but also her attitude. She is not only arrogant in most of her pics since engagement to Albert, sh is also bored, again IMO. She always looked bored, even 4 years ago when she started appearing with Albert.
CW is only animated when she knows that pics of her are being taken.
This is why I believe she would bring nothing to Monaco. She seems self-absorbed, interested in self-promotion-JMO
Her only contribution to Monaco will be appearing for photo ops. IMO.
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Her mark in Monaco will be an heir (hopefully) and i think that will be all. I mean, she hasn't too much popularity, Kate has stolen the show completely. The wedding will be all about taking and selling pics only. It won't be like W&K's wedding, that has a large press coverage from now, and it will continue after the wedding.
So, basically, her mark in Monaco will consists in having and heir, behave properly in public, adn being the so expected wife Albert promised to monegasques.
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This is one mean room. Charlene only has to do what PA expects her to do...no more, no less.
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Not necessarily - it seems to me that PA only has to do what Charlene expects him to, and more rather than less.
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