Prince Albert's Older Children Part 1: 2009 - 2023

[Moonmaiden23]

You would be correct that the two older children are not in line to inherit the throne of Monaco.

This is how Albert's estate will be shared according to French law that Monaco follows according to his attorney back in 2005. Right now Albert's net worth "With assets valued at more than $1 billion, Albert owns shares in the Société des Bains de Mer, which operates Monaco's casino and other entertainment properties in the principality." Split that in half, then in 4 ways that will be what each child receives. The other half Albert can give to whomever he chooses. I see him giving the majority of it to Jacques, Hereditary Prince of Monaco, Marquis of Baux, as his father did with him. I recall reading Jazmin received money for travel and other things as Alexander. Albert bought a house near Monaco and put it in trust for Alexander where he and his mother lived for awhile. You may find info in the old threads from 2005 and 2006.

Jazmin already lives a discreet but very affluent lifestyle. She recently purchased a home in the Hollywood Hills for several million dollars.

It wouldn't surprise me if she lives off an allowance from a trust fund set up by Prince Albert.

 

[iceflower]

Jazmin Grace and Ian Mellencamp have arrived for the Grand Prix weekend in Monaco and attended the launch of the new Aston Martin DB12 at the Hotel du Cap-Eden-Roc in Antibes yesterday, May 24:


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[rominet09]

Very nice couple !

 

[iceflower]

Jazmin Grace and Ian Mellencamp attended the WIBA Awards during the Cannes Film Festival on May 26:


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[iceflower]

Jazmin Grace and Ian Mellencamp attended the "Nymphes D'Or - Golden Nymphs" Nominees Party during the 62nd Monte Carlo TV Festival on June 19:


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[iceflower]

Jazmin Grace and Ian Mellencamp attended the Raffaello Summer Day 2023 in Berlin, Germany, yesterday, June 21:


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[An Ard Ri]

Jazmin Grace and Ian Mellencamp attended the Raffaello Summer Day 2023 in Berlin, Germany, yesterday, June 21:


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Here are a few more of Grace Jasmin from the Raffaello Summer day Party in Berlin.
https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?start=0&zoektype=2&search=21-06-2023 Berlin

 

[iceflower]

Jazmin Grace and Ian Mellencamp attended the "Indiana Jones" premiere in Berlin on June 22:


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[Blog Real]

Alexandre Grimaldi and his mother, Nicole Coste, gave an interview to this week's issue of Point de Vue magazine. The photos were taken at the Château de Crémat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv9x2tYNwO8/

https://www.pointdevue.fr/royal/mon...ai-la-chance-davoir-des-parents-bienveillants

 

[sophie25]

Alexandre Grimaldi and his mother, Nicole Coste, gave an interview to this week's issue of Point de Vue magazine. The photos were taken at the Château de Crémat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv9x2tYNwO8/

I wish I could understand French, I'd love to read this. Could any French speakers on the thread post any interesting info? Thank you.

 

[hereditarytitles]

I wish I could understand French, I'd love to read this. Could any French speakers on the thread post any interesting info? Thank you.

I am not French, but can speak a little bit. As I understand from the IG of that magazine they are announcing the interview for their next issue, which will be out next Monday? They just want to make people curious about this interview and talk them into buying their magazine.

When it is published it could well be the case that you have a paywall. We will see what happens....

 

[sophie25]

I am not French, but can speak a little bit. As I understand from the IG of that magazine they are announcing the interview for their next issue, which will be out next Monday? They just want to make people curious about this interview and talk them into buying their magazine.

When it is published it could well be the case that you have a paywall. We will see what happens....

Thank you hereditarytitles. I am not a fan of Nicole Coste but Alexander seems quite a level headed boy. I'm not sure why he, or Jazmin, though wants to be in the public eye. With no official role I don't understand that but perhaps this interview will shed some light on how he feels about this.

 

[Linda_26]

I am not French, but can speak a little bit. As I understand from the IG of that magazine they are announcing the interview for their next issue, which will be out next Monday?

As it says in the caption, the next issue of Point de Vue with Alexandre's interview will be out tomorrow

 

[iceflower]

I am not French, but can speak a little bit. As I understand from the IG of that magazine they are announcing the interview for their next issue, which will be out next Monday?

The print version of the magazine will be out tomorrow, Wednesday, not next week, Monday In the summary Alexandre is quoted saying "I am lucky to have caring parents", therefore I expect a positive interview, not one with negative allusions like the ones Nicole has given before.

 

[rominet09]

I am looking forward to reading it !

 

[kalnel]

I look forward to hearing more. Years ago I got Point de Vue in print, then I switched to digital when it was on Zinio and Amazon. No luck now -- I can't find it anywhere.

Just realized I can read Point de Vue through an iPhone app. Very interesting interview. Alexandre seems like a nice, respectful young man who wants to be a credit to his parents. At one point in the interview, he even says he doesn't see himself modeling on the catwalk because his father is a prince and head of state. (But he wouldn't mind being a brand ambassador, if the right company came along.)

Nicole comes off well, too. She seems like a very devoted and caring mother.

 

[Frelinghighness]

Thank you for that information about the app. I used to subscribe to point de vue also and have it delivered and my French mil and I would share it.

 

[Royalisticious]

Few interesting facts in PdV interview:

Alexandre doesn't really want to be a model. Maybe he'll accept to be an ambassador for some brands that he likes but he thinks it's not appropriate to walk on podiums because of his father's position. Now his main focus is to complete his master degree in business and management at university in England. Nicole is going to launch a perfume.

PdV asked Alexandre why he chose in 2022 to use only Grimaldi as surname. Until now he was always adressed everywhere as Grimaldi-Coste. He replies that he never held the double surname. It was always only "Grimaldi". He says that his mother never corrected it when journalists mentioned this because she wanted to protect his privacy. He claims that he never held any official document, passport or identity card with the double surname. He also says that he was born in France and grew up in an Anglo-Saxon world so he is more procedurial than his mother. Meaning that he won't hesitate to sue people.

My personal note : his mother spoke in a long interview with Paris Match in 2021 for Alexander's 18th birthday. In this interview she told that she would be "trilled" if his son could just use the simple surname "Grimaldi" as his sister Jazmin. So this means that until that date he used both names. There are two versions.

He also says that he is not "illegitimate". Both his parents were single when he was born and his father recognized him when he was a baby. Albert did it deliberately without a judge order or because of the pressure of the press, says Alexander.

He likes environment and humanitarian causes. He doesn't exclude to work close to his father but it's too soon to tell.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Few interesting facts in PdV interview:

Alexandre doesn't really want to be a model. Maybe he'll accept to be an ambassador for some brands that he likes but he thinks it's not appropriate to walk on podiums because of his father's position. Now his main focus is to complete his master degree in business and management at university in England. Nicole is going to launch a perfume.

PdV asked Alexandre why he chose in 2022 to use only Grimaldi as surname. Until now he was always adressed everywhere as Grimaldi-Coste. He replies that he never held the double surname. It was always only "Grimaldi". He says that his mother never corrected it when journalists mentioned this because she wanted to protect his privacy. He claims that he never held any official document, passport or identity card with the double surname. He also says that he was born in France and grew up in an Anglo-Saxon world so he is more procedurial than his mother. Meaning that he won't hesitate to sue people.

My personal note : his mother spoke in a long interview with Paris Match in 2021 for Alexander's 18th birthday. In this interview she told that she would be "trilled" if his son could just use the simple surname "Grimaldi" as his sister Jazmin. So this means that until that date he used both names. There are two versions.

He also says that he is not "illegitimate". Both his parents were single when he was born and his father recognized him when he was a baby. Albert did it deliberately without a judge order or because of the pressure of the press, says Alexander.

He likes environment and humanitarian causes. He doesn't exclude to work close to his father but it's too soon to tell.

Thank you for the translation! I found this today, as I assumed, there is a paywall, but at least a nice photo

https://www.pointdevue.fr/royal/mon...ai-la-chance-davoir-des-parents-bienveillants

 

[Somebody]

Thanks forsharing some details. He seems quite young to be already studying for a master's degree.

It is refreshing to hear him say that he doesn't want to walk the catwalks because he doesn't think that appropriate for the son of a Sovereign Prince.

 

[Maryrose]

I am glad to see that he is going for a master’s degree. I am sure he is very well off financially but it is always important to do something that you are interested in and not just be idle.

 

[Magnolia471]

If he was acknowledged from birth why was he never given any title or included in the succession? And why has he never attended any official events with his father and the rest of the family? There does not appear to be a close relationship with any of Albert's nephews ​​or "legitimate" children. It seems to me that Albert never really included his illegitimate children in his family, they were entirely raised by their mothers financed by him.

 

[Maryrose]

If he was acknowledged from birth why was he never given any title or included in the succession? And why has he never attended any official events with his father and the rest of the family? There does not appear to be a close relationship with any of Albert's nephews ​​or "legitimate" children. It seems to me that Albert never really included his illegitimate children in his family, they were entirely raised by their mothers financed by him.

I think it has to do with the fact that his parents were not married so he cannot be in the line of succession.

 

[Alisa]

He seems like he has head on his shoulders. The fact that he is doing his masters at such a young age is impressive.

 

[kalnel]

I am glad to see that he is going for a master’s degree. I am sure he is very well off financially but it is always important to do something that you are interested in and not just be idle.

I just checked the article, and I do not see any mention that he is studying for a master's degree. All he says is that he is at an English university studying business and management. No word on what degree he is working toward.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I think it has to do with the fact that his parents were not married so he cannot be in the line of succession.

Which contradicts his claim that he is "not illegitimate" (assuming nothing was lost in translation). Neither the Constitution nor the House Law state explicitly that children of unmarried parents cannot be in the line of succession to the throne or crown estates. They merely restrict the line of succession to "direct and legitimate" descendants. Thus, if Alexandre were "legitimate", as he says he is, then he would precede his younger half-brother Jacques in line to the throne.

Article 10 of the Constitution: "La succession au Trône, ouverte par suite de décès ou d'abdication, s'opère dans la descendance directe et légitime du Prince régnant, par ordre de primogéniture avec priorité masculine au même degré de parenté. [...]"

Article 1 of the house law: "Dans la Principauté, la Souveraineté est héréditaire dans la descendance directe et légitime du Prince Régnant. [...]"

(I assume you are both referring to the line of succession to the throne and crown estates, as Alexandre and Jazmin Grimaldi reportedly do have succession rights to their father's private fortune.)

 

[Maryrose]

Which contradicts his claim that he is "not illegitimate" (assuming nothing was lost in translation). Neither the Constitution nor the House Law state explicitly that children of unmarried parents cannot be in the line of succession to the throne or crown estates. They merely restrict the line of succession to "direct and legitimate" descendants. Thus, if Alexandre were "legitimate", as he says he is, then he would precede his younger half-brother Jacques in line to the throne.

Article 10 of the Constitution: "La succession au Trône, ouverte par suite de décès ou d'abdication, s'opère dans la descendance directe et légitime du Prince régnant, par ordre de primogéniture avec priorité masculine au même degré de parenté. [...]"

Article 1 of the house law: "Dans la Principauté, la Souveraineté est héréditaire dans la descendance directe et légitime du Prince Régnant. [...]"

(I assume you are both referring to the line of succession to the throne and crown estates, as Alexandre and Jazmin Grimaldi reportedly do have succession rights to their father's private fortune.)

Thanks for clarifying the succession laws. It is a bit odd that he is not the heir if he was not “illegitimate”.

 

[sophie25]

Illegitimate is not a nice word but unfortunately it's the word that's always been used for children born outside of marriage, at least until fairly recently. Alex may have meant that he wasn't Illegitimate in the sense that his father loves him as fully as his other children but in technical terms his illegitimacy is what stopped both him and Jazmin being in line to the throne and having prince and princess titles. I don't know if the title thing could be changed as it was for Delphine in Belgium, I think his mother in particular would like that very much.

 

[kalnel]

In the article Alexandre explains that he rejects the idea that he was "illegitimate" because neither of his parents was married when they were having the affair that produced him. (As opposed to one or both cheating on a spouse.) He suggests that since no law was broken, he isn't "illegitimate."

It's an interesting distinction, but I think the definition of "illegitimate" is typically someone born to parents who aren't married to each other, regardless of their martial status to anyone else.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

In the article Alexandre explains that he rejects the idea that he was "illegitimate" because neither of his parents was married when they were having the affair that produced him. (As opposed to one or both cheating on a spouse.) He suggests that since no law was broken, he isn't "illegitimate."

Thank you for the summary of what he said. Unfortunately, he is incorrect about the Monegasque legal definition of (il)legitimacy - see the citations in my previous post.

Illegitimate is not a nice word but unfortunately it's the word that's always been used for children born outside of marriage, at least until fairly recently. Alex may have meant that he wasn't Illegitimate in the sense that his father loves him as fully as his other children but in technical terms his illegitimacy is what stopped both him and Jazmin being in line to the throne and having prince and princess titles. I don't know if the title thing could be changed as it was for Delphine in Belgium, I think his mother in particular would like that very much.

I am not sure the Monegasque courts would override the wishes of the monarch in title matters as the Belgian courts did. But there is nothing to prevent Prince Albert II himself from creating Jazmin and Alexandre a princess and prince, if he wishes.

For that matter, there is nothing to prevent Prince Albert II from initiating modifications to the Constitution and unilaterally changing the House Law to remove the references to "legitimate" descendants (or at least replace them with more modern wording), if he wishes. But so far he has not even mentioned his out-of-wedlock children in his biography on the palace website, so I would be very surprised if he did.