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Old 08-05-2015, 09:47 PM
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I think HereditaryPrincess offers a good explanation. A reigning Prince is involved and they would be at the front of the line of succession. Also, the Prince has said many times that they are part of his private life and maybe this arrangement suits everyone involved.


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Old 08-05-2015, 10:04 PM
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Of course it's a double standard!

In my opinion it comes down to irresponsibility on Albert's part. He should never have fathered children with women he would not/could not marry. (I'm not certain, but I think subsequent marriage would have legitimised a child so it could succeed him.) Yes, it takes two to tango, but he's the one with the inheritable status so the onus was on him to make sure his little swimmers didn't produce any children until he found a woman he was willing and able to marry.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:59 PM
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Of course it's a double standard!

In my opinion it comes down to irresponsibility on Albert's part. He should never have fathered children with women he would not/could not marry. (I'm not certain, but I think subsequent marriage would have legitimised a child so it could succeed him.) Yes, it takes two to tango, but he's the one with the inheritable status so the onus was on him to make sure his little swimmers didn't produce any children until he found a woman he was willing and able to marry.
Yes, but what's done is done. His children should be more than welcomed into the family and should be seen as part of the family.
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:33 AM
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Yes, but what's done is done. His children should be more than welcomed into the family and should be seen as part of the family.
I totally agree with you, but it appears that Albert and/or other family members preferred to treat them as his dirty secrets and hide them away. It stinks. They are his children as much as his children with Charlene and should be included.
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:52 AM
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I totally agree with you, but it appears that Albert and/or other family members preferred to treat them as his dirty secrets and hide them away. It stinks. They are his children as much as his children with Charlene and should be included.
Yeah, it's being made to feel like the twins are his first children ever. He has four kids and that should be celebrated. Despite the past, his two older children should be included. Maybe his daughter like the arrangement they have, but somehow I think she would like to included with the rest of the family in Monaco too. She's not shy around the spotlight either, so that wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:17 AM
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I think including them in public side of his life would send mixed messages and confuse the situation for the public and be disengenous.I don't doubt Albert loves them personally but the fact is trying to put them on par with the future Prince and the spare is not reasonable.They will never be royal.
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:28 AM
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I don't think anyone would expect them to be royal, and also the media already know about his two older kids. There would be no confusion. The message would be that Albert is bringing his family together, putting the past behind him and being a loving, supportive and present father. Right now, the message is, his twins are his family and his two other children aren't really anything but kids that he supports financially.
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:43 AM
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I think including them in public side of his life would send mixed messages and confuse the situation for the public and be disengenous.I don't doubt Albert loves them personally but the fact is trying to put them on par with the future Prince and the spare is not reasonable.They will never be royal.
Why are those children not "on par" with the children he had with Charlene? Are they somehow not as important or as valuable as human beings as the children he fathered after he got married? Is being "Royal" really such a desirable state.

This highlights how artificial and subject to chance that the whole system of Royalty actually is. People whose only claim to distinction is that they were born to two people whose own individual distinction only arose from happenstance, after they went through a ceremony that creates an artificial but legally binding and relationship called "marriage" between that couple. This ceremony makes all the difference? Really?

What "mixed messages" would it send to the people of Monaco for Albert to involve his first two children in his public life? I am fairly sure the people who live in Monaco - which is basically just a big casino - know about Albert's two oldest children and how they came to be. I am sure those people are not at all confused about the situation. Their Prince slept around during the many years before he got married and had the misfortune to get two women - women he had no intention of marrying - pregnant. There's nothing confusing about that. It's something very simple and basic. Those children aren't "Royal" because they are illegitimate and illegitimate children can't inherit Royal titles. I'm sure the people of Monaco can grasp that notion.

On the contrary, I think that by involving those two children in his public life to some extent Albert would send a very fine message: that he is not ashamed of his two oldest children and considers them to be of equal value to the two he fathered after he got married, and that they are part of his family.
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:46 AM
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I think He is loving and supportive and present when they are together. It is irrelevant whether he has them in front of the cameras for the world to see or behind closed doors as long as they know he personally loves them as much as he loves the twins and has got their backs. That is the only 'message' needed
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Old 08-06-2015, 02:12 AM
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It's an odd situation. Jazmin and her brother wasn't even invited to their father's wedding. It would just be nice to see Albert embrace his two oldest kids and include them in the family in Monaco.
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Old 08-06-2015, 02:28 AM
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On the other the recognized and made known to the world that is children. Did not have to do and this is enough for me.
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Old 08-06-2015, 03:54 AM
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It was indeed wildly irresponsible of Albert(fathering children outside marriage)knowing everything that was at stake. It baffles me to this day. And the after-effects will be felt long after Albert is gone. I can totally see young Tossoukpe becoming a thorn in the side of newly enthroned Prince Jacques Honore Rainier down the line...perhaps egged on by his mother Nicole Coste if she is still alive when it happens.

If Rainier had had any other sons besides Albert, I wonder if he would have considered replacing Albert as Heir after the discovery of Albert's two children with different women?

I agree with amaryllus and others who have posted that it is not necessary for Eric and Jazmin to be shoved front and center. For one thing, has anyone considered the feelings of his wife and Princess-Consort in this matter? Because Charlene's feelings do matter here, and I think the spectacle of having the other children in the midst of things to possibly take some of the spotlight away from her own youngsters would not be easy for her to deal with.
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:06 AM
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I totally agree with you, but it appears that Albert and/or other family members preferred to treat them as his dirty secrets and hide them away. It stinks. They are his children as much as his children with Charlene and should be included.
Albert still was the Heir and not at all Chef de la maison princière and was subject to his father's anger. It is only after 2005 (death of Prince Rainier and Albert himself becoming Chef) that first steps were made towards the children born out of wedlock. at that time Yasmin was already around 13/14 years old and Alexander around 4/5 years old. This means that -especially in the first case- a long time has passed without any acknowledgement. It is easy to stand aside and teach someone a lesson. We don't know what exactly happened inside the walls of the palais princier.
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:59 AM
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Perhaps it has been made quite clear to the mother's of his illegitimate children that they cannot expect to be included within the Monaco Princely families day to day lives. And perhaps they have been handsomely compensated as well.
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:16 AM
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I agree with amaryllus and others who have posted that it is not necessary for Eric and Jazmin to be shoved front and center. For one thing, has anyone considered the feelings of his wife and Princess-Consort in this matter? Because Charlene's feelings do matter here, and I think the spectacle of having the other children in the midst of things to possibly take some of the spotlight away from her own youngsters would not be easy for her to deal with.
I am not suggesting that Eric and Jazmin be shoved front and centre. They may not want the limelight, though I suspect Jazmin wouldn't mind a bit of that attention. But they are as much members of Albert's family as are the other currently or one-time illegitimate children of his relatives - and the legitimate ones, for that matter - and should be treated as such.

As for Charlene's feelings, she just has to deal with it like anyone else who marries someone who already has children. She knew about Albert's children when she met him, or would have pretty soon afterwards, so she went into the marriage fully aware she was taking on step-chiildren as well as a husband, so the onus is on her, as the adult and step-mother, to make them feel welcome. This is the 21st century and she is a modern woman and her children should be brought up knowing their half-brother and sister.

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Perhaps it has been made quite clear to the mother's of his illegitimate children that they cannot expect to be included within the Monaco Princely families day to day lives. And perhaps they have been handsomely compensated as well.
The mothers' situation is totally different from that of the children. Any arrangement Albert or anyone else on his behalf might have made with the mothers when the children were/are minors cannot bind the children. The mothers can't contract away their minor children's rights with respect to the child's father no matter how handsomely those mothers were compensated. Albert owes duties to the children as their father.
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Moonmaiden, I fully agree with you. Before talking about the rights of Jazmin and Eric, everyone should keep in mind the feelings of Charlene. Now that she has two children, if would not be fair to include Albert's previous children every time with her twins.
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As long the Prince gives financial support to his illegitimate children (does he have to gave it to girl, as she's an adult now?) I see nothing wrong.

They are mistakes from the past, quite simple. He supports both of them and seems to be a present father, albeit with some limitations because of his work as Head of State.

I see no reason for people who have nothing to do with his personal life to keep criticizing the Prince because of his arangements with his two illegitimate children.
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I don't know that Charlene would have an issue with Alberts other children...it's not like she didn't know about them when she married him.

It would be petty of her to not allow them or want them to be around when her children around around...and I've not gotten that impression about her temperment.


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Old 08-06-2015, 09:26 AM
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I don't know that Charlene would have an issue with Alberts other children...it's not like she didn't know about them when she married him.

It would be petty of her to not allow them or want them to be around when her children around around...and I've not gotten that impression about her temperment.


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It seems that Charlene has a good relatioship with Jazmin, as far as it is known... Jazmin have said more than once that she gets on well with Charlene and that they are on cordial terms... The even posed for a photo together, when the couple was in America for a duty...

Now, I think there might be problems and /or tensions with Nicole Coste, rather than with the young son of Albert himself, who is under age. Several reports of the mags reported one or two years ago of the friction between the women, especially from Nicole's part... (She did concede an agry interview, blaming Charlene for not allowing Albert to see his child), allegation, that I personally don't believe it to be true... But as for the kids, I don't think Charlene has or had any issues with them at all... Why shouls she?
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Yes. The boy's mother has caused and tried to cause problems before and if he is given a more public role she will have and expect to be Involved also as he is a minor. This goes for Jazmins mother also. No wife really wants her husbands former mistresses around on a regular basis and making decisions. and as his legal wife she should not be just expected to suck it up even for the children.
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