Prince Albert's Older Children Part 1: 2009 - 2023

[Roslyn]

I think including them in public side of his life would send mixed messages and confuse the situation for the public and be disengenous.I don't doubt Albert loves them personally but the fact is trying to put them on par with the future Prince and the spare is not reasonable.They will never be royal.

Why are those children not "on par" with the children he had with Charlene? Are they somehow not as important or as valuable as human beings as the children he fathered after he got married? Is being "Royal" really such a desirable state.

This highlights how artificial and subject to chance that the whole system of Royalty actually is. People whose only claim to distinction is that they were born to two people whose own individual distinction only arose from happenstance, after they went through a ceremony that creates an artificial but legally binding and relationship called "marriage" between that couple. This ceremony makes all the difference? Really?

What "mixed messages" would it send to the people of Monaco for Albert to involve his first two children in his public life? I am fairly sure the people who live in Monaco - which is basically just a big casino - know about Albert's two oldest children and how they came to be. I am sure those people are not at all confused about the situation. Their Prince slept around during the many years before he got married and had the misfortune to get two women - women he had no intention of marrying - pregnant. There's nothing confusing about that. It's something very simple and basic. Those children aren't "Royal" because they are illegitimate and illegitimate children can't inherit Royal titles. I'm sure the people of Monaco can grasp that notion.

On the contrary, I think that by involving those two children in his public life to some extent Albert would send a very fine message: that he is not ashamed of his two oldest children and considers them to be of equal value to the two he fathered after he got married, and that they are part of his family.

 

[amaryllus]

I think He is loving and supportive and present when they are together. It is irrelevant whether he has them in front of the cameras for the world to see or behind closed doors as long as they know he personally loves them as much as he loves the twins and has got their backs. That is the only 'message' needed

 

[Dman]

It's an odd situation. Jazmin and her brother wasn't even invited to their father's wedding. It would just be nice to see Albert embrace his two oldest kids and include them in the family in Monaco.

 

[eya]

On the other the recognized and made known to the world that is children. Did not have to do and this is enough for me.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

It was indeed wildly irresponsible of Albert(fathering children outside marriage)knowing everything that was at stake. It baffles me to this day. And the after-effects will be felt long after Albert is gone. I can totally see young Tossoukpe becoming a thorn in the side of newly enthroned Prince Jacques Honore Rainier down the line...perhaps egged on by his mother Nicole Coste if she is still alive when it happens.

If Rainier had had any other sons besides Albert, I wonder if he would have considered replacing Albert as Heir after the discovery of Albert's two children with different women?

I agree with amaryllus and others who have posted that it is not necessary for Eric and Jazmin to be shoved front and center. For one thing, has anyone considered the feelings of his wife and Princess-Consort in this matter? Because Charlene's feelings do matter here, and I think the spectacle of having the other children in the midst of things to possibly take some of the spotlight away from her own youngsters would not be easy for her to deal with.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I totally agree with you, but it appears that Albert and/or other family members preferred to treat them as his dirty secrets and hide them away. It stinks. They are his children as much as his children with Charlene and should be included.

Albert still was the Heir and not at all Chef de la maison princière and was subject to his father's anger. It is only after 2005 (death of Prince Rainier and Albert himself becoming Chef) that first steps were made towards the children born out of wedlock. at that time Yasmin was already around 13/14 years old and Alexander around 4/5 years old. This means that -especially in the first case- a long time has passed without any acknowledgement. It is easy to stand aside and teach someone a lesson. We don't know what exactly happened inside the walls of the palais princier.

 

[Tarlita]

Perhaps it has been made quite clear to the mother's of his illegitimate children that they cannot expect to be included within the Monaco Princely families day to day lives. And perhaps they have been handsomely compensated as well.

 

[Roslyn]

I agree with amaryllus and others who have posted that it is not necessary for Eric and Jazmin to be shoved front and center. For one thing, has anyone considered the feelings of his wife and Princess-Consort in this matter? Because Charlene's feelings do matter here, and I think the spectacle of having the other children in the midst of things to possibly take some of the spotlight away from her own youngsters would not be easy for her to deal with.

I am not suggesting that Eric and Jazmin be shoved front and centre. They may not want the limelight, though I suspect Jazmin wouldn't mind a bit of that attention. But they are as much members of Albert's family as are the other currently or one-time illegitimate children of his relatives - and the legitimate ones, for that matter - and should be treated as such.

As for Charlene's feelings, she just has to deal with it like anyone else who marries someone who already has children. She knew about Albert's children when she met him, or would have pretty soon afterwards, so she went into the marriage fully aware she was taking on step-chiildren as well as a husband, so the onus is on her, as the adult and step-mother, to make them feel welcome. This is the 21st century and she is a modern woman and her children should be brought up knowing their half-brother and sister.

Perhaps it has been made quite clear to the mother's of his illegitimate children that they cannot expect to be included within the Monaco Princely families day to day lives. And perhaps they have been handsomely compensated as well.

The mothers' situation is totally different from that of the children. Any arrangement Albert or anyone else on his behalf might have made with the mothers when the children were/are minors cannot bind the children. The mothers can't contract away their minor children's rights with respect to the child's father no matter how handsomely those mothers were compensated. Albert owes duties to the children as their father.

 

[togram]

Moonmaiden, I fully agree with you. Before talking about the rights of Jazmin and Eric, everyone should keep in mind the feelings of Charlene. Now that she has two children, if would not be fair to include Albert's previous children every time with her twins.

 

[Cris M]

As long the Prince gives financial support to his illegitimate children (does he have to gave it to girl, as she's an adult now?) I see nothing wrong.

They are mistakes from the past, quite simple. He supports both of them and seems to be a present father, albeit with some limitations because of his work as Head of State.

I see no reason for people who have nothing to do with his personal life to keep criticizing the Prince because of his arangements with his two illegitimate children.

 

[Pranter]

I don't know that Charlene would have an issue with Alberts other children...it's not like she didn't know about them when she married him.

It would be petty of her to not allow them or want them to be around when her children around around...and I've not gotten that impression about her temperment.


LaRae

 

[Marty91charmed]

I don't know that Charlene would have an issue with Alberts other children...it's not like she didn't know about them when she married him.

It would be petty of her to not allow them or want them to be around when her children around around...and I've not gotten that impression about her temperment.


LaRae

It seems that Charlene has a good relatioship with Jazmin, as far as it is known... Jazmin have said more than once that she gets on well with Charlene and that they are on cordial terms... The even posed for a photo together, when the couple was in America for a duty...

Now, I think there might be problems and /or tensions with Nicole Coste, rather than with the young son of Albert himself, who is under age. Several reports of the mags reported one or two years ago of the friction between the women, especially from Nicole's part... (She did concede an agry interview, blaming Charlene for not allowing Albert to see his child), allegation, that I personally don't believe it to be true... But as for the kids, I don't think Charlene has or had any issues with them at all... Why shouls she?

 

[amaryllus]

Yes. The boy's mother has caused and tried to cause problems before and if he is given a more public role she will have and expect to be Involved also as he is a minor. This goes for Jazmins mother also. No wife really wants her husbands former mistresses around on a regular basis and making decisions. and as his legal wife she should not be just expected to suck it up even for the children.

 

[Dman]

I don't think the suggestion is to shove the two older children front and center, but to at least include them in some family activities.

Do anyone really think at least Jazmin wouldn't love to be included?

I'm not sure Charlene would have a problem with it. Maybe not during the wedding, because Charlene did look like she was in a delicate state, but now perhaps his kids could be included once in a while.

Just saying that the man has four kids, and it's being presented as he only have two babies.

 

[eya]

I just read it to a greek site.
On Tuesday August 4 , two photographers took pictures of Jasmin in Mykonos(Greece).
One of them filed a complaint at the police station because two people personal safety of Jasmin (French origin) treatened them and took the card memo of camera.
The photographer sued for stealing their high economic value because the card containing photos and other known persons which will sell the magazines. (The summer Mykonos is full of stars).

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

I remember reading that Jazmin keeps in contact with Stephanie's children and that she has commented on their Instagram accounts from time to time, so she is in touch with the Princely Family. But I don't think Alexandre is in touch with them at all.

I think HereditaryPrincess offers a good explanation. A reigning Prince is involved and they would be at the front of the line of succession. Also, the Prince has said many times that they are part of his private life and maybe this arrangement suits everyone involved.


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Thank you.
And I agree, as Albert has said himself that Jazmin and Alexandre are part of his private life, perhaps that is the reason why they are never invited to family events. I do think it would be nice if they were included though, they are his children just as much as Jacques and Gabriella are.

Thanks, but it does not explain why Stephanie's (and for that matter Antoinette's), Andrea's and Charoltte's bastard children were without question welcomed in to the family and Albert's were / ARE not...

Rainier's mother was illegitimate as is Pierre Casiraghi's wife. I do not understand the double standards.

But Andrea's (I'd prefer it if the word 'bastard' wasn't used when describing illegitimate children, because I find it quite offensive as I myself am illegitimate and it's used as an insult in my country) children are legitimate now. I think Raphael is welcomed because Charlotte and Gad are still a couple, though of course I could be wrong, as Stephanie and the father of her children aren't together.

 

[Nadine]

It was indeed wildly irresponsible of Albert(fathering children outside marriage)knowing everything that was at stake. It baffles me to this day. And the after-effects will be felt long after Albert is gone. I can totally see young Toussoupke becoming a thorn in the side of newly enthroned Prince Jacques Honore Rainier down the line...perhaps egged on by his mother Nicole Coste if she is still alive when it happens.

If Rainier had had any other sons besides Albert, I wonder if he would have considered replacing Albert as Heir after the discovery of Albert's two children with different women?

I agree with amaryllus and others who have posted that it is not necessary for Eric and Jazmin to be shoved front and center. For one thing, has anyone considered the feelings of his wife and Princess-Consort in this matter? Because Charlene's feelings do matter here, and I think the spectacle of having the other children in the midst of things to possibly take some of the spotlight away from her own youngsters would not be easy for her to deal with.

As always, I agree with your wise words, Moonmaiden23, especially the part about the consequences, in particular Nicole Coste pushing her son to be a thorn in Prince Jacques side as he gets older...

But what's done is done, and imho Prince Albert has done good by his two illegitimate children. He's provided for them generously, acknowledged he's the father, and as they grow older and become adults he's allowing them to be seen more publicly (e.g. 23 yr. old Jazmin). But it's really up to the adult child whether to remain private or public, and in this case Jazmin has chosen the limelight (e.g. her singing career, attending movie premieres, posing as Princess Grace in new magazine interview, etc.).

Yet for some people that's not enough, they want pictures of Jazmin & Alexandre at their father's wedding, Monaco events, the weddings of their cousins (aka Pierre & Beatrice's recent wedding), et al. Why? To satisfy public curiousity? For all we know they were there (e.g. Jazmin was at the twins' christening) but no pictures were taken. Another great example is Camille (Princess Stephanie's illegitimate daughter), she was at the wedding of her cousin Pierre, but I only saw one tiny far away picture of her.

One other important fact, it's different when a woman has a child outside of wedlock versus a man. Princess Stephanie's daughter and Charlotte Casiraghi's son were conceived in utero and birthed from their bodies with no question of who the mother is, whereas a man's paternity can be in question, thus a DNA test. A woman's children generally will always be with her, and therefore part of the woman's family. A man not so much, I'm thinking of all the illegitimate children male royals have had outside of wedlock throughout the centuries that were never even acknowleged, in fact it was an accepted practice that they would have *byblows*.

Prince Albert's a kind loving man, and imho he's done his best by his illegitimate children and will continue to do so. The only thing I'm worried about is that he will get taken advantage of, which Princess Caroline has mentioned in the past, that she worries about Albert because he is so kind, there are those out there that would take advantage of such a kind man. Thank goodness he has Princess Charlene to make sure that doesn't happen, as she seems to be a very strong woman, as well as kind & loving.

 

[amaryllus]

Useless trivia time but in the Ancient and medieval Korean court only The Kings sons by his queen could could live in palace. All sons by concubines were sent away to live. This was because a mother always protects the interests of her sons and thus herself and many atrocities and problems and plots would occur.


The more things change... Just sayin.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Shortly before his death the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, Prince of Lippe-Biesterfeld (father of -then- Queen Beatrix) acknowledged his parenthood of two extramarital daughters. According to Dutch inheritance laws, his two extra-marital daughters fully shared in his inheritance, which meant that it was divided by six daughters instead of four.

Prince Bernhard was never publicly seen with his two extramarital daughters. There were some pictures here and there and that was it. They however became millionaires when he died. But that was it. They never claimed to obtain the title of a Princess, they never claimed the surname Zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, they never claimed a public role and they never requested contact with their four royal halfsisters.

Was the late Prince now a barbaric brute because his two illegitimate daughters were never seen in public aside his spouse Queen Juliana or his eldest daughter Queen Beatrix? No, that was just a conscious choice he made and I think the choices made by Prince Albert must be compared with this example. Also he has left his two extramarital children in privileged circumstances and he will use his immense network and considerable influence to help them when they request so. And that is it. We have to respect these arrangements.

 

[Roslyn]

Also he has left his two extramarital children in privileged circumstances and he will use his immense network and considerable influence to help them when they request so. And that is it. We have to respect these arrangements.

Such arrangements are the very least he should be making. He is their father just as much as he is the father of his baby twins, and it is his moral duty to do all he can for his older children, even if they don't request it.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I don't think the suggestion is to shove the two older children front and center, but to at least include them in some family activities.

Do anyone really think at least Jazmin wouldn't love to be included?

I'm not sure Charlene would have a problem with it. Maybe not during the wedding, because Charlene did look like she was in a delicate state, but now perhaps his kids could be included once in a while.

Just saying that the man has four kids, and it's being presented as he only have two babies.

But that just isn't the case. Everyone knows that Albert has two older children besides his "official" ones...everyone.

Is it really necessary to mention them in every single story about Jacques and Gabriella? For example...." the Princely twins made a splash in their first trip to the beach this weekend. The young Marquis des Beaux and the Comtesse des Carlades-who are not Prince Albert's only children-showed off their swim prowess to their nannies and a delighted public".

Eric and Jazmin are mentioned as the older children of Prince Albert II in every news story that is exclusively about them. Their existence does not need to be reconfirmed in every article about Albert and Charlene and their children, imo.

I have to sadly agree with Nadine's comments. I sometimes wonder if the request for more information/photos about Eric and Jazmin is not simply to satiate public curiosity?

 

[Mirabel]

Such arrangements are the very least he should be making. He is their father just as much as he is the father of his baby twins, and it is his moral duty to do all he can for his older children, even if they don't request it.

He does provide for them financially.
But to include them in public events would be awkward for Charlene, even if she accepted this.

Private family events are a different matter. I'm sure Albert does make an effort to include them in these events.

 

[Roslyn]

He does provide for them financially.
But to include them in public events would be awkward for Charlene, even if she accepted this.

Private family events are a different matter. I'm sure Albert does make an effort to include them in these events.

I agree about public events, at least those which relate to his role as reigning Prince. His older children have no role in such events and I suspect they would feel very uncomfortable there and it would be at least as awkward for them as it would be for Charlene. There might be some less formal occasions they could be included though, if they wanted to, but I won't speculate as to what they may be. The main thing is that they are acknowledged, and treated as part of the family at family events and not excluded. Albert seems like a kind man and I will give him the benefit of the doubt about this.

 

[Grandma828]

If you read that interview by Jazmin then you know that she talked about family picnics etc. Go back and read it.

 

[RoyalOutcast]

I just don't think it's very fair that Albert's kids are hidden because they are illegitimate when there are so many more illegitimates being so welcomed and promoted. It is nothing to to with how Charlene might feel. Jazmin is every much his daughter as the (..) girl is Stephanies or Rafael is Charlottes.

IMO it is wrong and needs to be addressed.

 

[COUNTESS]

It has everything to do with how Charlene would feel. He had these affairs before her time. When she married him, right or wrong, she perhaps, does not w2ant them in her life. Her never had them in his life, except for support and, I assume, an occasional visit. And each must make their own decision. Also, he is a reigning monarch, they aren't. (..)

 

[Pranter]

Any man (or woman) would push away his/her children because of their new spouse isn't much of a man (or woman).


LaRae

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I just don't think it's very fair that Albert's kids are hidden because they are illegitimate when there are so many more illegitimates being so welcomed and promoted. It is nothing to to with how Charlene might feel. Jazmin is every much his daughter as the (..) girl is Stephanies or Rafael is Charlottes.

IMO it is wrong and needs to be addressed.

They are not "hidden". Hidden children don't pose on red carpets for photogs and paps like Jazmin, nor do they give interviews for society mags in full Royal mufti, also like Jazmin.

Since Eric lives in London with his mother and is known to be Albert II's eldest son he isn't exactly hidden either.

The hard, cold fact of the matter is that neither Eric nor Jazmin are part of Albert's official family and he is not obliged to make them so. He provides lavishly for them and apparently has established relationships with them. That is a lot more than other men in his position have done in the past.

(..)

 

[COUNTESS]

Any man (or woman) would push away his/her children because of their new spouse isn't much of a man (or woman).


LaRae

She is not a "new "spouse" in that they are children of previous wives. They never had a relationship as a family. They were never a family. They were children from affairs. As he has acknowledged their being his children, that he provides for them and he doesn't hide the fact, why would you expect anything else.

 

[iceflower]

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