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Old 07-06-2005, 09:11 PM
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By her own admission, Nicole said that Albert was planning on acknowledging his son after the mourning period for Prince Rainier. She couldn't even wait that long (3 months). As for "taking the matter into her own hands", great way for her to do it; after a DEATH in the family
u hit the nail on the head. u go girl, by her doing that shows part of her character. its not a pretty part either, imo.

so now he and his father can have a relationship in public now will be accepted into albert's family. but i dont think nicole will. again its my opinion

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The lawyer added that the child, now 22 months old, would not be in line to inherit Albert's throne.
so since he is not in line for the throne, will nicole try to cause some more drama? how will she act once albert does marry?
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:16 PM
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Geez, can I have a kid with him too? I'm better looking than Nicole, although I'm white.
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nope u have to wait in line, i almost over the hill and so i want a chance. besides, 10,000m a year sounds like a nice retirement plan
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:56 PM
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Well I think Nicole just did not want Alexandre to be a secret. It does not matter if Albert was already a good father. The child needed to be acknowledge like any child deserves. Wow. Thsi thread went from one to over 150 in no time.
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:57 PM
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ok, that sounds really nice.i’m going to kick some numbers around (aka just guessing)
groceries 4.800
electric 1080.
water 360.
gas( lets guess she is on a budget plan )1080.
rent (im guessing he owns his place but lets put something in for taxes )360.
entertainment 300.
clothing (lets be liberal) 500.00 a year
total 8480.00
oh yeah... lets do a little somem,somem for misc.1520.00
lets break it down :total is 10,000.
-10,000.
equals 0.00 sweet, if it was true but im sure its not :p
This 'budget you've devised is cute!!
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:17 PM
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TELEGRAPH NEWS

I fathered illegitimate son, says Prince Albert
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

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Old 07-06-2005, 10:23 PM
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BBC NEWS

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4656797.stm

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Old 07-06-2005, 10:25 PM
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The only person I feel sorry for is Alexandre.
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:44 PM
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lashinka.........i understand when you say it's getting repetitive. i for one i'm done trying to encourage people to fairness, obviously it's not going to happen...........definitely proves a couple of things to me though.

I will say THIS: i'm very happy for Prince Albert, i'm very proud and happy for Nicole Coste. I'm happy that Alexandre has two parents who love and acknowledge him.

Let's face it people................Prince Albert slept with Nicole, Nicole got pregnant, Nicole has Prince Albert's child. C'est tout!
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:00 PM
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u hit the nail on the head. u go girl, by her doing that shows part of her character. its not a pretty part either, imo.

so now he and his father can have a relationship in public now will be accepted into albert's family. but i dont think nicole will. again its my opinion


so since he is not in line for the throne, will nicole try to cause some more drama? how will she act once albert does marry?
It will be interesting to see semi, I think.

I wish she had used in the beginning the rationale she provided most recently for why she went to the press. The other reasons, in my opinion, were very shaky.
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:04 PM
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SEMISQUARE,

i'm not really concerned about WHY you say you're not prejudist or whatnot, if you really are not then good for you. i didn't really mention anyone in specific and i think i read somewhere where you said that you may have prejudged her wrongly at first and i respected your opinion more after i read that. So it wasn't directed at you specifically.

Of course, I still disagree with you largely. i don't think after being rejected by rainier and then rejected albert because of rainier, and after having this same guy who rejected you as unworthy show up at your door to have unprotected sex with you which resulted in a child, after all that, I don't think nicole MUST wait the 3months period after Rainier's death. yes she could have, but to me that was totally her prerogative and she chose to do it now when the eyes of the world would be on albert and he'd have no place to hide. Remember the same Rainier apparently is the one that caused the decline of her relationship with Albert so i don't think Nicole has any love lost for him. I don't think she owes Albert anything in terms of some sort of twisted understanding or loyalty.

Also i don't see where there's no dignity in this situation on her part or on anybody's part. Listen, stuff like this happens everyday. People get unwanted pregnancies, yes some could have been prevented but others really just happened. We'll never really know. But we know one thing: there's a beautiful baby boy that's just been acknowledged and accepted by his mother and father who i'm sure intend to do their best for him. That to me is beautiful.

And as for African women and their child, i'm not saying other people don't care for their children, that would be ridiculous. What I am saying is that in the African culture, African women are expected to GIVE THEIR LIFE for their children. Why do I say this? well, an african woman without a child is by and by considered a curse in the society, some will say they are useless. A married African woman without a child can be pushed out of her husband's home at any time, she's not respected until she has a child. An african woman mostly will not inherit ANYTHING of her husbands if she has no kids, she could be forced to leave her home. Children usually are regarded as belonging to the father and his family not the mother. So you can start to see that to an African woman, her child is EVERYTHING, her whole existence and being in society is tied to her CHILDREN. Nicole Coste was raised in this manner. If she feels that her child is being cheated, or not recognized she will fight tooth and nail with everything to correct that. Like I said we don't do the hiding of the child thing very well.
what I do not understand is if she were rejected by the father, then by the son, then the son showed up at her door to have intimacies with her, as you have put it libradoll -- why would a woman with so much esteem go along with that so willingly? If a woman were being treated in such a terrible manner, why not just walk away? It is also my own opinion that when someone uses folklore to advance a cause it may be because they have weak rationale, regardless of the actual fact of the situation.
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:16 PM
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What does this mean? Sara posted this article earlier. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

He said: "I assume entirely my responsibilities faced with a situation that I neither envisaged nor wanted and for which there have never been promises or arrangements.''
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:33 PM
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lashinka.........i understand when you say it's getting repetitive. i for one i'm done trying to encourage people to fairness, obviously it's not going to happen...........!
I think people here are being fair, in fact, some people have a different viewpoint than you. Perhaps you may have thought that the members of the board would agree with you wholeheartdly or not, but they didn't which it seems to have bothered you to no end.

Embrace diversity, don't knock it, and respect others opinions whether you agree with them or not. :) I respect yours in case you didn't know.
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:46 PM
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i agree with you Athena, it looks like some people just cant accept other people view points at all. That's sad.
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:01 AM
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I saw this on the news, and I'm still a little sketchy on certain facts/details. Is she the black woman he was dating or rumored to have been dating a while back? Anyhow, I wonder just how long it would have actually took him to acknowledge this little boy? I know it was said that he said after the mourning period for his father, but I thought I read in someone's post it had been changed to at the end of year... . What I find interesting is the fact the little boy won't have Albert's last name...Can anyone explain this one? Is it because he can't inherit the throne, or is it because of some other reason? I knew he probably wouldn't be able to inherit the throne...I hope Albert is going to actually be apart of this little boy's life, and not just be one of those father's who simply contribute financially...There's more to the process of raising a child than just contributing money. I'm not judging either one of Alexandre's parents, but I hope for his sake, they can be mature enough to put his needs first.
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:18 AM
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According to the weekly, Prince Albert had allready signed a document at a Parisian Notary Public where he states his committements to his son. A luxury villa at Villefranche-sur Mer, very close to Monaco, is under restoration where half of the property belongs to Alexandre and the other half to a Monaco company. Nicole Coste receives 10 000 euros per month from Prince Albert, she drives a BMW supplied by Prince's council and isprotected by a body-guard while strolling in Paris. Prince Albert will be inaugurated as the ruler of Monaco with a ceremony on July 12, 2005.
Dear God. All that and who knows what else! I looked at the pic of Nicole shopping and then I read that little Alexandre has a nanny. I'm a little confused as to why Nicole isn't raising her son. I mean, why does he need a nanny? I doubt Nicole has a regular job that would require a nanny, so why doesn't she take him shopping with her?

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There also no assurance that Albert's future wife will truly accept this kid.
Could you really blame his future wife? Imagine if Camilla had had an illigitimate child and DIana had gone through the marriage. His future wife will have to deal with the fact that her husband can't always be around for her kids only. Not to mention that if I were his wife, I wouldn't take to kindly to someone interfering with the rights of my children to inherit. At least I would see it that way. Someone mentioned that Alexandre could fight to inherit the throne. If I were the mother of the legitimately born heir I wouldn't take that well either.
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:18 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks that...

A] This is both Albert AND Nicole's dumb faults
B] That Nicole really brought this out at a bad time, thus proving to many that she is simply after Albert to marry her and become the next princess of Monaco [and, if she's not, why on earth did she wait 22 months after the baby was born to bring this up? So that Alexandre could "have a regular father"? Spare me!]
C] That this poor kid is just a pawn in this horrible power struggle
and D] that he's darn cute? :) [certainly doesn't look like his mother anyway-ick ick ick]
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:29 AM
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Old story

i personally think the constitution was changed because of Albert' issues about marriage and Ranier wanting to make sure the throne stayed in the family. Think about the famiy's history with illegitimacy. Alexandre's birth has nothing to do with the succession. it is a romantic idea that this child would inherit but the reality is that his story has been happening for centuries. the best he can probably hope for is a cushy upbringing and a small inheritance after his father dies because i doubt Albert will leave him the bulk of his assets. those most likely will go to Caroline or her heir
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:32 AM
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I agree suturegeisha with all but one thing...I'm not sure if she is after to be the next princess of Monaco or what, but I think it's kind of mean for her to bring it up really close (seemed close to me anyways...) after Prince Rainier's death, but I do see your point, 22 months is rather random... (I definitely agree that he's darn cute!)

I also completely agree with Australian and Athena on what they both said in posts 163 & 164. (I would quote, but I'm no good at doing multiple quotes just yet, sorry...and please don't take what I say personally or offensive by any means, I'm just saying what I think thus far...:))
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:52 AM
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Whoa...this thread has exploded...

So it's been confirmed 100% that Albert is Alexandre's father? Or is it still rumors?
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:24 AM
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I would imagine that a lot of Nicole's problem with Albert's handling of the situation began when he wouldn't stand up to Rainier for her and their relationship. Whether she got pregnant on purpose or not, he shouldn't have slept with her PERIOD if he truly wanted to end the relationship and he knew she didn't want to. And if he was going to sleep with her anyway, WHY wouldn't he use a condom for goodness sake?????!!!!!! What in the world was he thinking?????!!!!! Obviously, NOT THINKING. I mean, seriously, folks, do ya think SHE RAPED HIM???!! I don't see how anyone could find her to be totally to blame for this.
Then, as far as why she went to the press,
I think she was probably at wit's end with the 2-year French rule about paternity coming up and apparently Albert & advisors had been putting her off and not keeping promises to her about the acknowledgement. They supposedly first told her "when Rainer dies", then "after the mourning period", then "maybe wait til the end of the year". I think most anyone in her position would have gotten quite fed up with the run-around she was getting.
I wouldn't have put up with being "hidden away" and treated like an embarrassment forever either.
If he's been stressed about all of this (I'm sure he has been) I'm sorry he got himself into this pickle, but let's face it, HE GOT HIMSELF INTO THIS PICKLE.
Correction; they both got themselves into this pickle. Turning your own statement back, do you think he raped her? Come on, again, this arguement about who's fault it is that there was a child as a result of their relationship is absolutely useless. Obviously, they both take the blame because they decided that they wanted to have sex and voila! Baby comes 9 months later.

Again, Albert and his people could have easily massacred Nicole and her claims and yet, he didn't. He's been providing for Alexandre since his birth and saw him as often as he could. I didn't know that a father had to publicly acknowledge his son to show that he loved him. So, if Albert had acknowledged Alexandre from the beginning and yet had left him alone without any support, then that would make him okay?

I'm curious, just what happened to Nicole's other children? I don't think she has custody of them or at least, they haven't been mentioned anywhere. If she does have custody of her other children, then I hope that those children's father(s) are providing for them and not Albert. That would be grossly unfair.
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