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Old 07-13-2005, 06:40 AM
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Yeah, that was then, and he didn't like her enough to marry her! He's going to pay for the child, not otherwise incorporate him into his life. He said he didn't want the kid anyway, and who can blame him.

I can blame him...thought I tried not to. He should have been extra careful if he didn't want this child, or any children for that matter. NO sense in punishing Alexandre for his and Nicole mistakes.
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:33 AM
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I'm not pleased, but trust in his decision.

We may want to be upset with Albert over the recent news events, but we may want to also keep in the back of our minds he is a conscientious and caring man. I trust whatever he's chosen to do, was for a good reason and was/were likely not (an) easy decision(s).
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:24 PM
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You can't force someone to love someone; the only rights he has are for his financial welfare until age 18; that's it.
this is appalling to me! i think all parents should love their kids unconditionally and unendingly without forcing or prompting. a child doesn't only have financial claim from their parents, but emotional is important if not MORE important than financial ones and it shouldn't end once u turn 18........my god :( .
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:00 PM
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Amen to that!!
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:01 PM
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Doesn't the law kind of change in respect to other countries? But I am sure Albert will be there for Alexandre for the rest of his life. At least I hope so...
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:03 PM
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he didn't want the kid; he shouldn't be forced to parent it if he doesn't want to. It was NC's choice to keep the baby even though she knew Albert was not going to be a parent to him.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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he didn't want the kid; he shouldn't be forced to parent it if he doesn't want to. It was NC's choice to keep the baby even though she knew Albert was not going to be a parent to him.
Oh brother....I'm not even going to comment on this one!
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:20 PM
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Why? This same thing happened to a friend of mine; the girl told her she was on birth control; she was going to give the baby up for adoption; now she's keeping it. Of course my friend has to support the baby legally; how much time he'll ever spend with it, who knows, but the girl certainly is doing this for selfish reasons.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:33 PM
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When consenting to having sex both parties are taking a risk in getting pregnant. No method of contraception is completely foil proof, therefore each party must assume some responsibility if a pregnancy occurs. How is this girl having her baby for selfish reasons? Because it inconviences your friend?? In my opinion you friend may not want the baby for selfish reasons.... Hundreds of women get pregnant on birth control every day, if your friend really wanted to avoid a pregnancy maybe he should have done his research.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:37 PM
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Absolutely; my friend does believe that she was on birth control; she was about to get an abortion (which she has had in the past) and changed her mind. Considering neither of them really have the money to support the kid (ie the mother is on welfare and the child will be once it's born), I think that's pretty selfish--I've also heard how she is planning on being the subject of a magazine article on unwed mothers etc. She seems to think the baby is a toy. And come on, NC already had two kids--I can't believe she had Albert's baby other than to have a child who could possibly be a billiionaire--although I doubt Albert will leave the kid anything when he dies.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:53 PM
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em I the only one shocked that he admitted to future paternal suits? Is this a way someone in his position should behave?
No, I was shocked too. Not a very smart thing to do. In this article it calls the asertion "ill advised" it also lists the three "acid tests" that women had to pass in order to be elgible for marriage. I don't know if the latter is heresay or not.

http://www.royalarchive.com/index.ph...d=995&Itemid=2

I can see where all kinds of women could come forward with paternaty claims looking for a few minutes of fame. He really opened himself up, a bit too much.

Also, I think this hurts his chances at finding a spouse. I'm a woman and I would question any man who had behaved recklessly in the arena, though I understand many people, men and women, do. When it comes to marriage this area is particularly important.
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:08 PM
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Absolutely; my friend does believe that she was on birth control; she was about to get an abortion (which she has had in the past) and changed her mind. Considering neither of them really have the money to support the kid (ie the mother is on welfare and the child will be once it's born), I think that's pretty selfish--I've also heard how she is planning on being the subject of a magazine article on unwed mothers etc. She seems to think the baby is a toy. And come on, NC already had two kids--I can't believe she had Albert's baby other than to have a child who could possibly be a billiionaire--although I doubt Albert will leave the kid anything when he dies.
In my opinion it's not selfish to have your baby its only human nature. I think your friend is probably very scared (first child? couple not together? Pain in the but to tell family? Oh god what am I going to do???? So much easier not to have the child!---just an example of thoughts that could be going through not together couples mind & avoid all of this mess! I'm not being sarcastic so please don't take it that way). I think its pretty couragoeus of the mother to proceed forward with a pregnancy when she knows how hard she will have to work in the future. Welfare is usually a temporary state until the person can get there feet off of the ground. Many famalies (split or together famailies) have no money. Now I'm not condoning the idea that people should be running around having children purposfully if they do not have the funds for it but sometimes these things do happen and just because a couple is not well off does not mean that having the child is out of the question. It just may mean they will have to work harder to support it or give the child up for adoption. Just my opinion. :p
In regards to the article for unwed mothers, maybe she's getting paid for it?? If she's on welfare she'll need the cash.
As for Albert & Nicole, as long as that little boy is happy who cares!!!

In my opinion its pretty selfish to terminate a pregnancy, I think your friends prgnant lady made a great choice. They may not see it like that now but the future will tell another story. I wish them much luck.
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Old 07-13-2005, 04:30 PM
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he didn't want the kid; he shouldn't be forced to parent it if he doesn't want to. It was NC's choice to keep the baby even though she knew Albert was not going to be a parent to him.
WOW. this is a child, a human being. "it" will grow up to be an adult one day with his own mind, and dreams, and hopes, and contributions to this world. He is a person, a life. A child does not ask to be born. He did not participate in the act of conception. He is just here. An innocent that deserves both parents to love and care for him, to be there for him financially and emotionally. Now in very dire and sad circumstance a parent may not be fit to do this. But Albert is more than fit to do this and thankfully, it sounds like he will.
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Old 07-13-2005, 04:35 PM
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he didn't want the kid; he shouldn't be forced to parent it if he doesn't want to. It was NC's choice to keep the baby even though she knew Albert was not going to be a parent to him.

Then I think he should have thought about all the consequences of having a intimate relationship with Nicole, or any woman for that matter. He doesn't get the right to shirk responsibility for something he helped to create. I feel so sorry for Alexandre. All the money in the world doesn't replace the love, support, time, etc needed to raise a child, and that is what is most important. I know he has the financial means to provide for him, but I want to see if he is going to actually be involved in the child's life. He said he would, but I guess we will see. Can someone explain why Albert doesn't want his son to have his last name?
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:11 PM
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I agree; the kids are the ones that suffer.
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:12 PM
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he didn't want the kid; he shouldn't be forced to parent it if he doesn't want to. It was NC's choice to keep the baby even though she knew Albert was not going to be a parent to him.

That still does not leave Albert blameless. If he didn't want to possibly become a parent, he should not have had a sexual relationship with Nicole or with anyone else. The only 100% effective form of birth control is abstinence. Things happen, women get pregnant. My sister (who is married) got pregnant unexpectedly while on birth control. It happens. No matter what form of contraceptive you use, you are taking a risk every single time you sleep with someone. I don't believe that it is anyone else's fault besides Albert's that he is the father of Alexandre. Not even Nicole's. It takes two to tango. He made his bed; it's time to lie down. :)



I agree with you that you can't force someone to be a parent. You also can't force someone to love another if they don't want to. However, personally, I don't think very highly of people who basically throw their children away as if they were the day’s garbage. It is not Alexandre's fault that he is in the world. I think it's despicable for anyone to not love, care or provide for their child. I'm not saying that Albert is guilty of this, because honestly, we don't know much about his relationship with Alexandre - I'm just making a blanket statement.
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:45 PM
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That may be out of place on this forum (and sorry if I offend anyone) but the most persistent rumor was rather that he battled for both teams.
It is indeed true that Prince Albert has enjoyed the company of both men and women. That's why he refuses to get married, and from I've heard, never will.
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:57 PM
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It is indeed true that Prince Albert has enjoyed the company of both men and women. That's why he refuses to get married, and from I've heard, never will.
That has never been proven or confirmed, and therefore is still just a rumor. Indeed it has been a persistant rumor, but it is still just that. Something can not be considered the truth until proven or confirmed.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:28 PM
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That has never been proven or confirmed, and therefore is still just a rumor. Indeed it has been a persistant rumor, but it is still just that. Something can not be considered the truth until proven or confirmed.
When I was in high school, I had a friend whose dad worked at the French secret services. She told me that her during his work, her dad has been in possession (and told to destroy) some very embarrassing and private pics of Albert. Since I have not seen this alleged photos myself, I can only presume. But this, plus what one of his former bodyguard said, plus the fact that this rumor is so persistent... well, I have certainly an opinion about that. But that's still an opinion, not a fact, that's right.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:31 PM
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I deleted 30-40 posts yesterday of mine mainly those involving this issue. I want to say a few things since I keep reading the same stuff being hashed over. I was told to stay neutral. Many are distorting the facts in this thread and in other Forums. Its Albert's private life he has guarded all these years. He loves his son and did the best he could under the circumstances of not being able to acknowledge him until after Rainier's death. As I have said before many of you do not understand protocol that due to who he is he is forced to live by.

The people of Monaco are proud of Albert and the family that is being bashed in here. They are the ones that are most important to the family. Albert was in a stressful situation he couldn't acknowledge his child or children whatever the case may be. His new position leaves him open now to be more open if he so choses and he did that by acknowledging Alexandre and that other could come forward. It was more or less like here I am I am open contact me we will talk. That takes a lot for a man to do to openly admit what he did and it wasn't bragging either. Accidents happen like broken condoms. Silence is also a sign of respect on his part to not publicly embarrass any woman he might have been with over the years.

The talk in this thread isn't nice. It could cause one of those woman to be afraid to speak even now. That would be a sad thing not only for the child but the mother and Albert to know each other.

The talk is on Alexandre and how terrible it is for him, etc., and bad Albert is, etc., belittling his mother Nicole. Just think little Alexandre got a computer from Dad for Christmas and he decides to check out his Dad who he loves who loves him back and finds this what would he think? How should he feel? Then the confusion begins not understanding how he caused so much uproar over his existence.

If you feel I am lecturing you now I am to please use common sense this is a little boy and its between him and his parents. Albert and Nicole have a long way to go. When one parent betrays another as Nicole did the other will carry resentment toward the other. Its something Albert must deal with on a private level he trusted Nicole. If they are wise they will go through shared parenting counseling to get things out in the open on a neutral ground for Alexandre sake and their own.

If you decide to respond to my words please don't quote me and waste space. If you have something derogatory to say please refrain from sending me a PM as well I will refer the next one to the Moderators to handle. You also won't be able to get me to argue with you so no need to try.
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