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Old 07-12-2005, 10:31 AM
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Can someone explain to this man what a condom is?
That's what I've been saying all along...heaven forbid he actually take some precautions on his own terms...and this whole taking responsibility attitude is so offensive...instead of coming out proud and happy...screaming, "I'm a dad, I'm a dad!" he somberly admits to a love child...what effect do you think this will have on the little boy as he grows up???...knowing he wasn't wanted....it's so tacky...I've had it with the "royal" family of Monaco...

Their sexual escapades border on soft core porn and if Albert is allowed to marry (whomever) in a Catholic seremony, now that would be the height of hipocracy!

~trey
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:39 AM
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I am sure Albert wants to protect his son. But excluding him from his life is wrong. Despite Alberts feelings on Alex's mother he should not project those feelings onto his son. I know he can't be the next monarch of Monaco but still should be a part of the family.
But he does not exclude him from his life! Even Nicole said he's always been present, regularly visiting the kid, providing financially and signing an act of recognition right after his birth. Is that excluding to you?

What he excludes the kid from is his public life, and I explained in a earlier post the reasons I think he is right to do so.

As for the condom, no contraception is 100% sure. But that would have been a good idea indeed.
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:40 AM
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Lashinka, I clearly understand your point of view, but I think Albert is right to keep him away from Monaco's public life. Albert clearly said this kid was part of his private life and would never have a public role regarding Monaco.
In order to prevent confusions in Alexandre's mind, it is important that he leads a totally private life and that he is kept apart from public manifestations. Telling him he has not a place as a Grimaldi but parading him on officials events would send the wrong message, and confuse the kid, IMO.
I don't think he will feel rejected as long as Albert keep a healthy dad-son relationship, in private.

BTW, thank you for the answer Branchg.
Excellent point. Creating false expectations, especially at a young age, would be more cruel than excluding him from the balcony photo ops. Once the dust settles and all the siblings surface, there could be even more decisions to be made regarding access to public functions.

I can't believe I thought he was batting for his home team!
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:45 AM
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I can't believe I thought he was batting for his home team!
That may be out of place on this forum (and sorry if I offend anyone) but the most persistent rumor was rather that he battled for both teams.
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:46 AM
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If you ever hear him speak, you would agree!
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:50 AM
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"One absentee from l’avènement — Prince Albert’s symbolic installation on the throne after three months of official mourning — will be Nicole Coste, the mother of Alexandre, the //Prince’s illegimitate son. She has been asked to stay away from the state. "

I can't blame him for this--he doesn't have to like her just because she is the mother of his child.
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:53 AM
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I can't blame him for this--he doesn't have to like her just because she is the mother of his child.
C'Mon Bubette! If she is the mother of his kid, that's because he liked her to begin with!
You're funny though.
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:59 AM
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I find it a beautiful gesture that he wants maintain Alexandre considered as its own child and! for the same he do or he of nothing weet and say that it are not child is!
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:04 AM
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Yeah, that was then, and he didn't like her enough to marry her! He's going to pay for the child, not otherwise incorporate him into his life. He said he didn't want the kid anyway, and who can blame him.
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:12 AM
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I wonder what his mother would of thought about it all, I ask only because she was so strict with caroline ,?
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:16 AM
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As I am not related to the child and he has two essentially capable parents, I can only state what I wished would happen. It would be nice if Albert can take this child into the fold and allow him to participate fully with the other side of the family. Alex not only has a father but he has a family from his father's side and it would have been nice to see him accepted into that family.

However I do strongly believe that Alex's personal relationship with his father and whom he grows into as a man will strongly determine how close to the Grimaldi and Monaco he will be in terms of participating in family functions etc. Hopefully he'll grow up into a strapping, intelligent (scandal-free), handsome young man that Monagasques will grow to be proud of.
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:55 AM
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I am sure Albert wants to protect his son. But excluding him from his life is wrong. Despite Alberts feelings on Alex's mother he should not project those feelings onto his son. I know he can't be the next monarch of Monaco but still should be a part of the family.
No one has said he won't be part of the family. Albert has already stated he will be seeing his son on a regular bases. Frankly its honestly no ones business what part of Albert's life Alexandre plays a part in but his parents and you know it takes two to allow it. For Albert to take Alexandre from his mother for things until he is very familiar with him would be traumatic for the child. Most courts that grant visitation rights when the parent haven't been together as well as how a child acts in an office in a mental health setting isn't going to be the same once that child is removed from what he feels secure in. I know exactly what a child goes through as parents battle. Nicole might get a rude awakening if Albert decides to exercise his parental rights. In the states a custodial parent might not see their child all summer and holidays they would like to spend with them.

Wanting to keep your child hidden from the public isn't a sin or immoral.
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Old 07-12-2005, 12:41 PM
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Lashinka, I clearly understand your point of view, but I think Albert is right to keep him away from Monaco's public life. Albert clearly said this kid was part of his private life and would never have a public role regarding Monaco.
In order to prevent confusions in Alexandre's mind, it is important that he leads a totally private life and that he is kept apart from public manifestations. Telling him he has not a place as a Grimaldi but parading him on officials events would send the wrong message, and confuse the kid, IMO.
I don't think he will feel rejected as long as Albert keep a healthy dad-son relationship, in private.

BTW, thank you for the answer Branchg.
Hi Idriel
I see what your saying as well.
Either way this child will be confused....
He is to love his father unconditionally but be held back from some of the most important part of his fathers life. This will also send a message (your not good enough but my new children are??? - if he should have any & the message you may not share in all the parts of my life, you are not welcome especially in this part of it) I know that they may still be able to have a somewhat good relationship but Albert will harbour resentment for finding himself in this situation and Alexandre will resent the lack of inclusion. I realize that in Alberts mind this may be for protection of his son but I think its a little late for that now.....This protection will hurt him eventually.
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Old 07-12-2005, 12:57 PM
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Hi Idriel
I see what your saying as well.
Either way this child will be confused....
He is to love his father unconditionally but be held back from some of the most important part of his fathers life. This will also send a message (your not good enough but my new children are??? - if he should have any & the message you may not share in all the parts of my life, you are not welcome especially in this part of it) I know that they may still be able to have a somewhat good relationship but Albert will harbour resentment for finding himself in this situation and Alexandre will resent the lack of inclusion. I realize that in Alberts mind this may be for protection of his son but I think its a little late for that now.....This protection will hurt him eventually.
Hi! I totally agree on the fact that Alexandre will be a victim of his parents irresponsible behavior at the end. Sadly, there's no perfect answer or solution.
But I hope that Albert will be intelligent enough to explain clearly to his son that it's not him who was not good enough, but clearly the strength and quality of his relationship with Nicole. I hope Alex will grow mature enough to make a distinction between his parents' history and his own.
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:12 PM
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Well, yes....but given the rather harsh announcement that Alexandre was pointedly excluded from the succession and was not a member of the princely family, it would seem rather embarassing if he were sitting there, don't you think?

Albert clearly had drawn a line in the sand about his son's place in the world, given his insensitive comments that he wasn't "wanted" in the first place. I guess he hates Nicole for going to the French tabloids and humiliating him.
Al. should probably dislike himself first before blaming anyone else for the situation he finds himself in today on his personal life. He is a grown man and he should know better than to go having unplanned children then being upset when the world finds out about it.

Maybe thats why now he says it about maybe having others, to avoid more unpleasant distracting public scandals.
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:17 PM
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Nicole and Alexandre would be a problem at the ceremony. Not because she would act out, although there is no guarantee that she wouldn't, but because Alexandre is too young to sit through a long event like that like a happy little camper. He's two, and not likely to endure the entire thing without a bit of fuss, wanting to walk, etc.

Nicole is another thing altogether. She might not do anything obvious to disrupt the day but the media will be looking for her and boy and seeking her out. I think Albert has had enought "Baby Momma Drama" for now, and wants none of it to occur on the big day. Can't say I blame him for that.
I think so too -- it's really hard for a 2 yr. old to sit still for anything. They want to be free so they can climb on everything and such.

It would be too much for him. He's far too little at the moment. And at the moment, I think people should leave the little boy alone because he did not ask to be dragged into all that.
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:18 PM
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How old is Alexandra? SHe was there.
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:21 PM
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How old is Alexandra? SHe was there.
She is going to be 6 in a few days.
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Old 07-12-2005, 04:16 PM
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Nicole and their son may have been invited to the celebration and declined to attend or she may have accepted. Prince Albert was using her for his pleasure and now he must pay to play. He has done nothing no different than his sisters have done in the past, it is simply the way they operate.
I must respectfully disagree....do you really think a woman who so obviously and publically attempted to attach herself to PA would decline such an invitation? No way.
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