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Now that the happy couple is betrothed they are not evoking any hysteria like Diana did immediately. Pa and Cw are not featured on any magazine covers and special editions at all.I thought they did brilliantly so where are they?WHere are the shots with the gift other than the Repossi ring given by the Prince? I don't think they even had a betrothal reception.Maybe it is due to privacy reasons But now what does anybody make of Charlene having sued the magazines last year for them having called her a girlfriend.?Is it just me or does something go bonk in the "night"?
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I am soory to burst your bubble, but the other ladies all had jobs. Charlene is the only one who did not have a job. she was happy to go to Monaco to be a kept woman of Albert's. She is one of the worst that he has dated. She never did and still do not have class.
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She never did and still do not have class.

I'd love to know how you know this.
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I dont understand all these comparisons to Grace and Charlene.

The only features they have in common is that they're both blondes with fair skin.

Grace's memory walks ALONE. What hairstyles is Charlene copying of Grace's?

I think these boards will come tumbling down if Charlene showed up with a braid in her hair

How does she act like Grace? Grace was a trained actor- she projected- her personality showed thru-- this is what she carried into her princessdom.

I havent seen this in Charlene..Have you?

I am not defending Charlene, I want to know, can you give us examples/receipts?

I have been following this family for a long time... Charlene does not act or look like HSH Princess Grace de Monaco-- The Icon
D. Philadelphia, I'm guessing you are male and that may be the reason why you haven't seen or understand the comparisons. I have nothing against Charlene. What I'm saying is that she needs to be her own self. I saw a special on t.v. the other day about the couple. They showed pics of Charlene before she met Albert and after. To me, she is indeed imitating Graces hairstyle and poise. But then again, this is not unusual. My sister in law is in love with my mom. She tries to imitate her through and through because she believes my mom is a genuine, good woman and she wants to be like her. Maybe that is what Charlene is doing...I don't know. It's not a bad thing to want to be like your fiances mom...but that person should try just as much to be themselves.

What does a trained actor have to do with anything? Like you said, Grace stands alone, but I feel like Charlene is trying to stand with her. Eventually I know she will come into her own.
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Privacy reasons???? More like the paparazzi has no INTEREST they are BORING!!!! She doesn't excite me at all but again his taste has gone down hill after he has dated supermodels he went from hot to not!
I just dont get it!???!!!!! Monaco needs glamour!!!!! This sporty blondie has nada....makes me so mad. Albert needs a Caroline and not a Stephanie! You can't teach a girl style she either has it or doesn't. I'm not giving up on the thought of glamour and class. Monaco needs it or it will be gone... off the map as a place for the rich & famous.
Point is!!! I'm not giving up!!!!! Grace was ENGAGED to Oleg before the Prince Rainier came to snatch her up!!!!!!!!!
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How can someone you don't know, getting engaged to someone you don't know, living in a country/principality you more than likely have never been to, living lives you aren't privy to, possibly make you mad?


Don't you think you're overdosing on the hyperbole?
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When Grace arrived in Monaco, she had seen the palace because she was there for the Cannes Film Festival. As some have pointed out, she came from a rich family, she had already had relationships with men, and she was a household name.

That was 1955, the post-war years, the cold war......

Nobody in their right mind would compare the past with the present in a case like this. Different times, different customs, different cultures, different politics ..... need i go on?

Forget "1956" - think "2010" !!
I have to disagree because Rita Hayworth was also well known and when she married - something looked wrong from the get go-with the Aly Khan- Rita was more than a household name she was the the gal boosted the morale of men with her pin up shot during the war- her beauty and popularity was on a par with that of Grace's yet it felt wrong Jaques Fath wedding gown and all.You can compare various timeframes because the people do not change- you do not have to tear everything down to zero just because today is 2010 .If someone has charisma or will succeed they will no matter what date it is.But so far this betrothal has not had massive press coverage.. and hardly anybody seems to care- Grace and rainier knew how to evoke that caring from the public which is something I think CW has yet to master.Grace as a princess was always "accessible"- after she became engaged she was readily available for the press and they asked her thousands of questions- where is Charlene?
Is this silence now a part of yet giving her further chances and investing in her what appears like something she does not do as yet- reciprocate like a princess to be? like speak to us about here emotions[even if she likes spaghetti or Chinese food would be nice] on the matter or on anything pertaining to the betrothal? I cannot understand why Pa and Cw did not have a joint interview.
Even Charles and Diana appeared together for a brief interview- Charlene maybe back home in Sa or indisposed but maybe she should speak as talking pictures were invented in 1929
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From what her actions have been all along. Check out the pictures 2006 to present. You can also check the interview that she gave to Paris Match years ago.
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I've seen photos of her. I still don't know what the hell you're talking about. Has she killed anyone? Been caught doing/buying/selling drugs? Been a stripper? Done porn? Said something racist/homophobic/Antisemitic? Because those are pretty classless things in my book, and if she had done any of them, I'd agree she has no class. Since it would be posted all over here if she had, we can assume she hasn't done any of those things.


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First of all Grace was an actress and a good one at that. She was used to being in public and selling herself. She sold herself to the prince (through films). This was not a match of great love. Charlene is not a public figure, who has made her living from exposing (and I don't mean that literally) to public scrutiny. And, Jaya, Diana and Charles' interview was such a success, that in retrospect she should have run then, "Whatever love is". Maybe keeping your own counsel, until it is appropriate is best. Maybe, as some have decided, she wants to look like her late future mother-in-law. Wow, wanting to look like a beautiful, talented woman. Now, that's odd. Please, start being realistic. You don't know this young woman. She is beautiful, in her own right. You just don't miraculously make yourself beautiful. She was a knockout at the Swedish wedding. She has grace and incredible good taste in clothes. Caroline has lots of faults and has had 3 husbands to boot. She is beautiful, a gift from her mother and father. Her style comes and goes. Give this lovely young woman a chance and by the way, no one care if you do or not. It is Albert who is happy.
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First of all Grace was an actress and a good one at that. She was used to being in public and selling herself. She sold herself to the prince (through films). This was not a match of great love. Charlene is not a public figure, who has made her living from exposing (and I don't mean that literally) to public scrutiny. And, Jaya, Diana and Charles' interview was such a success, that in retrospect she should have run then, "Whatever love is". Maybe keeping your own counsel, until it is appropriate is best. Maybe, as some have decided, she wants to look like her late future mother-in-law. Wow, wanting to look like a beautiful, talented woman. Now, that's odd. Please, start being realistic. You don't know this young woman. She is beautiful, in her own right. You just don't miraculously make yourself beautiful. She was a knockout at the Swedish wedding. She has grace and incredible good taste in clothes. Caroline has lots of faults and has had 3 husbands to boot. She is beautiful, a gift from her mother and father. Her style comes and goes. Give this lovely young woman a chance and by the way, no one care if you do or not. It is Albert who is happy.
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We want to know more about this young woman.......who will become a 'public' figure soon. I do not think anybody has insinuated anything malicious since the announcement. There is suspense and everybody wants info - that is all.
Caro's affairs and marriages have no place here...It is Charlene who will reign now....Everybody here is a well wisher and always gives her more than a chance-I would just love to know what that' chance " now that her position is assured is exactly- this vague thing we have been indulging CW with...for many years.....what it consists of- the fact that she looked beautiful at a wedding is not what is being spoken of here.... and that nobody cares what I think.... - Certainly nobody cares because you have to look realistically at the magazines stands and newspapers and see that no One but no one cares.The apathy is almost heartbreaking.No matter how beautiful Charlene is something by PR has notbeen handled correctly.Something is not correct. What another four year stretch of giving Charlene chances and beating up on Caro to deflect?Diana was a success even if she should have run.
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How can someone you don't know, getting engaged to someone you don't know, living in a country/principality you more than likely have never been to, living lives you aren't privy to, possibly make you mad?


Don't you think you're overdosing on the hyperbole?
When you can hear a pin drop in the press regarding this"public" betrothal it is hyperbole.
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Those of Swedish descent or people who have family still living there, would probably be aware. Those who enjoy "royal watching" like us would be aware too.

Overall, I agree though -- outside of the BRF, most Americans really don't care much about royals or what they're up to at the moment.
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Maybe no one cares, because in the overall scheme of things, it is realatively unimportant. All royal marriages are not important, except in their own countries and to a few who find it interesting. Albert's only fame here is because his mother was an American and he is well liked here. Just call me Al, he would say, when he worked and was educated here. I am sure when they are ready, they will be plastered everywhere and then people will complain about the obnoxious coverage. Do you think many people in the States know who just got married in Sweden and could care less.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:33 PM
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Privacy reasons???? More like the paparazzi has no INTEREST they are BORING!!!! She doesn't excite me at all but again his taste has gone down hill after he has dated supermodels he went from hot to not!
I just dont get it!???!!!!! Monaco needs glamour!!!!! This sporty blondie has nada....makes me so mad. Albert needs a Caroline and not a Stephanie! You can't teach a girl style she either has it or doesn't. I'm not giving up on the thought of glamour and class. Monaco needs it or it will be gone... off the map as a place for the rich & famous.
Point is!!! I'm not giving up!!!!! Grace was ENGAGED to Oleg before the Prince Rainier came to snatch her up!!!!!!!!!
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I am sure Paris Match and Point de Vue will have big, detailed articles in PA and CW and their engagement..here in the U.S they care more about bimbo starlets and trashy reality "personalities" like those losers on "The Bachelor"...so they are the ones who get mag covers.

As far as Albert marrying someone like his sister Caroline, you mean he should be with a woman who has had TWO shotgun weddings, and has dated the husband of a close friend? I like and admire Caroline(to a point) but she has had her own moments tackiness. Nobody is perfect!
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So far I haven´t noticed anyone from Monaco commenting, it would be interesting to hear from them.
People who want to believe this is a love story and everything is great in Monaco won't believe what is being said behind closed doors and that is your choice.

Some feel Charlene should be given a chance; I felt she deserved a chance too. I’ve always supported Albert and didn’t like criticizing Charlene or like the remarks about her big shoulders, hands, and plastic surgery. It’s obvious the width of her shoulders is her bone structure, and can’t be caused by swimming. If that was possible a lot of short people would be exercising to lengthen their leg bones. Physical exercise can ONLY change the muscles.
Charlene was the second woman who had an injury and had to stop competing and became a regular on Alberts arm.

Anyhow, Charlene has never needed a marriage license or title to bring something to this relationship and show the people of Monaco she had something to give. She's had plenty of time to volunteer at the Hospital, the gym teaching children to swim, etc., not having a job she was free to do it the day she move there. After moving to Monaco she said she spent her days going to the gym, gardening, reading and painting I think it was and she liked to cook. We’ve heard she has been learning to speak French however, after four years no one speaks to her in French nor does she speak it. Why?

These articles are saying the same things I've seen people that live in Monaco post on the Internet and info from insiders. The part about Caroline I have also heard said in private. I can't accept the love story they are trying to get people to believe for several reasons.

You can find what I posted below in several articles and you will also find one in the SA press that edited out parts of what Nacy Wilson said to make it appear more positive.

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Still, Nancy Wilson, an editor at The Riviera Reporter based in nearby Nice, France, was not convinced that a wedding is going to happen soon. Wilson said the announcement may have been designed to appease those losing patience with Albert's bachelorhood or perhaps to boost his standing among entrenched interests in Monaco who had resisted his efforts to change tax and economic policies. “There is negative economic press around him. This is something to take the spotlight away.” There's also been plenty of bad press around his and his sisters' personal lives. Monegasque wine merchant Wendebaum has one wish for Albert and Charlene Wittstock: “I just hope they are happy.”
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Apparently not everybody in Monaco is happy about Prince Albert finally getting hitched at age 52.
"I wish he'd picked someone else," a longtime Monte Carlo insider told the Chicago Sun-Times' Bill Zwecker.
The source -- who knows former South African Olympic swimmer Charlene Wittstock -- told him, "We had seen this coming. ... They have been together for so long and she's been living in the palace for nearly four years." The source, who lives in Monaco, called the 32-year-old blond "quite the operator. ... She has made marrying Albert her total focus ever since she met him" in 2000.

Prince Albert of Monaco and former South African Olympic swimmer Charlene Wittstock are engaged, the royal palace announced Wednesday.
Wittstock, a former South Afrian Olympic swimmer, who will become Her Serene Highness Princess Charlene, apparently is "totally obsessed" with Princess Grace, Albert's mother and the onetime Oscar-winning actress Grace Kelly, Zwecker reports.
His older sister, Princess Caroline, is also unhappy about the engagement. She was widely known to want the Monaco throne for her own sons. Given it seemed unlikely Albert would marry and provide an heir, Caroline even helped engineer a constitutional change in 2002, allowing her sons Andrea and Pierre Casiraghi to be in line to succeed if their uncle died without a legal heir.
Albert does have two children born out of wedlock -- making them ineligible to succeed to the throne.
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As far as Albert marrying someone like his sister Caroline, you mean he should be with a woman who has had TWO shotgun weddings, and has dated the husband of a close friend? I like and admire Caroline(to a point) but she has had her own moments tackiness. Nobody is perfect!
Shotgun weddings, tackiness? lol! I cannot think of anything less tacky than P. Caroloine of Monaco.

And if Caroline just wanted to have kids, who are you to judge her? And if she fell in love with a longtime married friend, who are you to jugde her? If you are such a moralistic, I am sure you have something to say about two illegitimate children.

I agree with some comments here, no one is mad about this wedding ( I have the idea that royal weddings in general are much less popular than before). Besides, P. Albert has always been the less attractive for the media. He´s been overshadowed by his sisters. It is Caroline and Stephanie´s good looks what has made them sort of celebrities. Someone said Grace put Monaco on the map, I think I read it in her biography. Americans believed she was going to marry the prince of Morocco, they had no idea where Monaco was. But Monaco will remain what it is because it is already an important touristic place, where many sport and cultural events are held.
P.A. doesn´t have to make an outstanding wedding, he only needs a heir. At the time Grace married, it was only Rainier and her. Now, there´s the Casiraghi´s, Stephanie´s children,etc. I mean, if the press is not mad about Charlene, it´s not glamour what will lack. Probably charisma. A swimmer with no charme will make no difference, for good or for bad. She´s not that important.
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Now that the happy couple is betrothed they are not evoking any hysteria like Diana did immediately. Pa and Cw are not featured on any magazine covers and special editions at all.I thought they did brilliantly so where are they?WHere are the shots with the gift other than the Repossi ring given by the Prince? I don't think they even had a betrothal reception.Maybe it is due to privacy reasons But now what does anybody make of Charlene having sued the magazines last year for them having called her a girlfriend.?Is it just me or does something go bonk in the "night"?
With the tragic death of Princess Grace, media interest for Monaco died too. (Here in the USA). I do not understand why the USA press has little or no interest in European royals, but they don't. Little if any tabloid or newspaper attention is given to the royals "over there". One exception is the British royal family. Press reporting is limited to Princes William and Harry, occasionally the Queen or the Prince of Wales get some attention, but little if any. Perhaps this is because the British and Americans share a language and a history. There is a crazy frenzy for "movie stars" and an insatiable interest in their lives, loves and lifestyles. Tabloids don’t care at all what the royal European princesses are wearing or where they vacation, officially what they do, the palaces that they live in etc……

I am not surprised that Prince Albert's engagement to Charlene goes unnoticed by the press. Hardly any attention (USA) is given to Princesses Caroline or Stephanie anymore either. If the crown prince of any country makes an official visit to the USA, I would not know about it from the press or even the paparazzi tabloids, I would know about the visit by reading about in the TRF.

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I think any person would be poised for the role of Princess when your clothes are layed out and all is done for you and you never have to think of work etc. except turning up to look pretty . Well how difficult is that?

Think of the difficulty that Princess Grace had the first year of her marriage. Grace Kelly came from a family with means, status, and social standing. Grace, as a popular actress, was very accustomed to the pressures of being a public person. Yet she struggled through her first year in Monaco. (According to her friend and biographer Gwen Robyns). My point is this - Charlene does not have the same social background or status as an international movie star that Grace Kelly had. If it was a challenge for Grace to become a princess, why would it not be difficult for Charlene?
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People who want to believe this is a love story and everything is great in Monaco won't believe what is being said behind closed doors and that is your choice.

Some feel Charlene should be given a chance; I felt she deserved a chance too. I’ve always supported Albert and didn’t like criticizing Charlene or like the remarks about her big shoulders, hands, and plastic surgery. It’s obvious the width of her shoulders is her bone structure, and can’t be caused by swimming. If that was possible a lot of short people would be exercising to lengthen their leg bones. Physical exercise can ONLY change the muscles. Charlene was the second woman who had an injury and had to stop competing and became a regular on Alberts arm.

Anyhow, Charlene has never needed a marriage license or title to bring something to this relationship and show the people of Monaco she had something to give. She's had plenty of time to volunteer at the Hospital, the gym teaching children to swim, etc., not having a job she was free to do it the day she move there. After moving to Monaco she said she spent her days going to the gym, gardening, reading and painting I think it was and she liked to cook. We’ve heard she has been learning to speak French however, after four years no one speaks to her in French nor does she speak it. Why?

These articles are saying the same things I've seen people that live in Monaco post on the Internet and info from insiders. The part about Caroline I have also heard said in private. I can't accept the love story they are trying to get people to believe for several reasons.
You can find what I posted below in several articles and you will also find one in the SA press that edited out parts of what Nacy Wilson said to make it appear more positive.

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You can also find the above piece in several online news sites.


Didn't Grace Kelly face a lot of sniping among Monagaques and the Grimaldi family for being a commoner American actress with an inadequate grasp of French? The fact that she was wealthy, famous, beautiful and Catholic didn't matter to them at all. Thank God Rainier pressed ahead and married her even though not one of Europe's major Royal families sent representation.

As for Princess Caroline, let's hope she doesn't become for Charlene what Rainier's sister Princess Antoinette ("Tiny) was for Grace..a jealous pain in her side. Tiny looked down on Grace and wanted the throne for HER own children. I am not convinced Caroline is that upset anyway..hasn't she spent most of her life decrying the lack of privacy for herself and her children? "I am not raising them as Royals...I am raising them as Casiraghis" is her much quoted statement. She refused to allow Rainier to bestow titles on them. So now she has her wish...Andrea and Pierre are off the hook.

Rainier made his decision despite opposition, and his Princess became a beloved legend, still mourned to this day by the Monegasques.

I think Albert should and will ignore the critics, too.
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