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Old 04-14-2010, 11:34 AM
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I once read somewhere once that Caro said she would be thrilled if PA ever marries even if it is Joan Collins.
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Old 04-14-2010, 10:04 PM
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Caroline has said that she can't wait for Albert to get married so she can retire (and theoretically move to the country where no one will know her). I think I'd be the same. I'm sure it's a terrible job, that leaves little room to be your own person and have your own life but I still think Caroline has standards about who Albert should marry. I doubt she'd want to hand off all the hard work she's done over the past thirty years to someone who isn't up to the job. I mean, Caroline being her, the most important thing would quite probably be making sure that Albert is happy - as it should be - but stepping into the role of "first lady" is a big job.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:31 AM
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I just saw the pics from the London's PG's exhibit and Charlene did not look good.I wonder who gives her dress advice? She does not look like a future princess consort but just a " girlfriend" in a tight dress going out to a bar/ club- she has had 4 years to research the part Does she have handlers image consultants?? This was a time to shine!!!!!!! She met their TRH Earl and Countess of Wessex- at least she remembered to bow and curtsy.

I wonder why PCharles wasnt there since PA is a visiting monarch-Charles should of been there instead they sent Eddy and Sophie.

What a fall from Grace-- no pun intended
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:41 AM
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I just saw the pics from the London's PG's exhibit and Charlene did not look good.I wonder who gives her dress advice? She does not look like a future princess consort but just a " girlfriend" in a tight dress going out to a bar/ club- she has had 4 years to research the part Does she have handlers image consultants?? This was a time to shine!!!!!!! She met their TRH Earl and Countess of Wessex- at least she remembered to bow and curtsy.

I wonder why PCharles wasnt there since PA is a visiting monarch-Charles should of been there instead they sent Eddy and Sophie.

What a fall from Grace-- no pun intended
Some of these princess in waiting make you wonder.And everyone knows no one in the royal circles take monaco serious.So y would charles the heir to the throne meet them
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Some of these princess in waiting make you wonder.And everyone knows no one in the royal circles take monaco serious.So y would charles the heir to the throne meet them
This is what makes me mad.... PR and PG spent their married life in making Monaco respectable to the world with the photo ops they modelled themselves after the windors even invited PMargarets husband to take pics in the 60's after all sacrificing Grace did to insure a "model royal life" Albert is a dissapointment.........His answer to y he didnt marry oh my future bride will be compared to my mother---blah blah is a crock -- Its not like Monaco is a major player on the world stage its a small beautiful principality of anyone you choose as bride will be compared to Grace--- get over it ----Now its supposed to be ALBERT the second and his dynasty-- but u arent there yet
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This is what makes me mad.... PR and PG spent their married life in making Monaco respectable to the world with the photo ops they modelled themselves after the windors even invited PMargarets husband to take pics in the 60's after all sacrificing Grace did to insure a "model royal life" Albert is a dissapointment.........His answer to y he didnt marry oh my future bride will be compared to my mother---blah blah is a crock -- Its not like Monaco is a major player on the world stage its a small beautiful principality of anyone you choose as bride will be compared to Grace--- get over it ----Now its supposed to be ALBERT the second and his dynasty-- but u arent there yet
look u got a better chance at becoming rich the albert marrying
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Old 04-16-2010, 04:58 AM
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Some of these princess in waiting make you wonder.And everyone knows no one in the royal circles take monaco serious.So y would charles the heir to the throne meet them
So they don't huh? You're well informed as to the personal opinions of all the royal houses of Europe? The Prince of Wales has met Prince Albert and Princess Caroline a number of times, Princess Grace comforted Diana on her wedding day and Queen Elizabeth signed off on the Prince of Hanover marrying Caroline. And why would any of them have cause to consider Monaco a joke? The Sovereign Prince of Monaco has a more important position and more actual authority than all the crowned heads of northern Europe combined -he's actually required to rule his country. The rest of them can only dream of having the freedom that Prince Albert has.

If there is some snobby clique meant to exclude the Grimaldis they do not have much discipline in enforcing it. Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden, Prince Edward Earl of Wessex, Prince Feisal of Jordan, Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg all attended his enthronement representing their monarchies. Prince Albert and his parents before him were invited to plenty of major royal events and occasions. And this has been going on for decades back to when monarchs, princes and assorted royals from Britain to Belgium to Sweden to Germany to Russia all spent their vacations in Monaco.

I doubt in this day and age any monarchy can afford to be that stuck up and why would they? Would Britain where the heir married his mistress? Would Belgium whose king has an illegitimate daughter? Would Luxembourg where a teenage son had a child out of wedlock? Would the Norwegians whose heir married a single mother with a history of drug abuse? Seriously... I think everyone knows by now that everyone and every family has their 'issues' and I doubt anyone is holding themselves superior to anyone else these days.

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Old 04-16-2010, 05:14 AM
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Bones, your post is well educated and well executed. I love it.

Albert will marry one day, maybe not to Charlene, but I think it will be.
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:40 AM
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Bones, another great post.

I doubt whether anyone would regard Monaco as a joke.

Prince Rainier was well-respected due to his businesslike approach to his job, and he earned himself the sobriquet "The Builder Prince". He got rid of Onassis when it became necessary, and he brought Monaco into the Council of Europe.

His son is now following in his footsteps by expediting the move from the "black list" towards the "white list" of the OECD.
He is carving out for himself a reputation of a serious, global, and generous environmentalist.

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Old 04-16-2010, 07:53 AM
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My issue with Albert and Charlene is no that they are not married but that they are in a completely grey area: if he doesn't want to marry, as is his prerogative, he should either date her in private (i.e. no official functions for her) or be brave and honest, declare he does not intend to marry, that she is his long term partner and keep bringing her to social functions as his companion. The fact that she is officially just a "friend" for whose jetset life Monegasque citizens have to pay annoys me. It seems Albert wants his cake and eat it too, but with privileges come also responsibilities. JMO of course
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:11 AM
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^the relationship definitely lacks in dignity, but I seriously doubt anyone in Monaco has a serious issue with Albert's lifestyle, being as many residents there are themselves wealthy men with mistresses or kept girlfriends.
And sorry if I sound stupid but how are the people in Monaco paying for Charlene? I wasn't even aware that there were income taxes over there.
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I doubt in this day and age any monarchy can afford to be that stuck up and why would they? Would Britain where the heir married his mistress? Would Belgium whose king has an illegitimate daughter? Would Luxembourg where a teenage son had a child out of wedlock? Would the Norwegians whose heir married a single mother with a history of drug abuse? Seriously... I think everyone knows by now that everyone and every family has their 'issues' and I doubt anyone is holding themselves superior to anyone else these days.
I don't know the citizenship of that particular poster but British people tend to have a complex of superiority regarding their own Royal family.
In a thread where Charlotte was suggested as a potential mate for William, you would have thought that Paris Hilton had been named instead, based on the contempt this prospect aroused.

Anyway, I agree with your post. I think the Grimaldi are rather vulgar, but they have no more skeletons in their closet than most other royal families (you forgot Juan Carlos and his skirt chasing).
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:44 AM
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^the relationship definitely lacks in dignity, but I seriously doubt anyone in Monaco has a serious issue with Albert's lifestyle, being as many residents there are themselves wealthy men with mistresses or kept girlfriends.
And sorry if I sound stupid but how are the people in Monaco paying for Charlene? I wasn't even aware that there were income taxes over there.
The Princely family has an allowance, however the money is collected (there might not be income taxes but the State has other sources of income on which the Prince and his family live).
My point is that I don't have any moral issue with people having relationships out of wedlock, but Charlene should not be payed to be the Sovereign's girlfriend, she should have her own job and life. If she lives on Albert, she should have an official role, even if not necessarily of wife and fulfill some kind of public duty in an official capacity. Being supported to be someone's "+1" does not qualify as a dignified way of life in my book. And just to be clear, I think the "blame" lies as much on Albert who put her in this position, as on Charlene.
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IMO I think that what irks or niggles people is that their relationship operates in limbo of sorts. With the other princes (Frederik, Felipe, Haakon etc ) when they dated their wives, the girlfriends were kept in the background they didn't attend formal functions or publicly meet heads of state or other royals (or not that I was aware of) until they were engaged or married. Its the whole concept that Charlene appears not to have a job yet she is often seen in the "princess" role without being one. Maybe we are more old-fashioned than we realise and if Albert had just kept her in the background with only an occasional appearance we would not be so irritated by the pair. Unfortunately appearances do matter and Albert is the head of a country, so something just doesn't gel with these two or we obviously wouldn't feel the need to discuss them so often.

I don't know why this pair cause so much discussion maybe it is because they haven't lived up to the whole fairy story that we expect of princes and princesses. All my own opinion of course.
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I don't know why this pair cause so much discussion maybe it is because they haven't lived up to the whole fairy story that we expect of princes and princesses. All my own opinion of course.
They got so much discussion because he is a reigning head of state who is not married but has a perfectly good woman on his arm.
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[QUOTE=Bones;1069136]So they don't huh? You're well informed as to the personal opinions of all the royal houses of Europe? The Prince of Wales has met Prince Albert and Princess Caroline a number of times, Princess Grace comforted Diana on her wedding day and Queen Elizabeth signed off on the Prince of Hanover marrying Caroline. And why would any of them have cause to consider Monaco a joke? The Sovereign Prince of Monaco has a more important position and more actual authority than all the crowned heads of northern Europe combined -he's actually required to rule his country. The rest of them can only dream of having the freedom that Prince Albert has.

If there is some snobby clique meant to exclude the Grimaldis they do not have much discipline in enforcing it. Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden, Prince Edward Earl of Wessex, Prince Feisal of Jordan, Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg all attended his enthronement representing their monarchies. Prince Albert and his parents before him were invited to plenty of major royal events and occasions. And this has been going on for decades back to when monarchs, princes and assorted royals from Britain to Belgium to Sweden to Germany to Russia all spent their vacations in Monaco.

I doubt in this day and age any monarchy can afford to be that stuck up and why would they? Would Britain where the heir married his mistress? Would Belgium whose king has an illegitimate daughter? Would Luxembourg where a teenage son had a child out of wedlock? Would the Norwegians whose heir married a single mother with a history of drug abuse? Seriously... I think everyone knows by now that everyone and every family has their 'issues' and I doubt anyone is holding themselves superior to anyone else these days


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Google?
Whats that got to do with Bones' post?
Does google show that the royal houses of europe snub the Grimaldis?
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Being supported to be someone's "+1" does not qualify as a dignified way of life in my book. And just to be clear, I think the "blame" lies as much on Albert who put her in this position, as on Charlene.
We are in total agreement there.
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[QUOTE=lumutqueen;1069229]Google?
Whats that got to do with Bones' post?
Does google show that the royal houses of europe snub the Grimaldis?

Your have to research your off subject.What position is char in?
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Your have to research your off subject.What position is char in?
Charlene is the girlfriend of the reigning Prince of Monaco.
Research what?
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Charlene is the girlfriend of the reigning Prince of Monaco.
Research what?
I know that but thought is was a bad postion with the press.I don't Albert going to ever settle down charlene seems nice from the interviews she's given.And the rest of the fam seems to love her I hope PA marries her soon cause she in her 30s
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