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Old 02-20-2010, 05:59 PM
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It seems, I am conservative, but I think, it is his DUTY to marry. That´s the position he´s been born in. Full Stop.

Can you tell me ONE reigning royal, who did not marry?
I completely understand, that it is not easy finding the correct wife for this role (especially as Gracia was an icon in her position -- and Caroline has a lot of grace and style, too), but
1) he has had enough time
2) it seems, that he has the right person now.

In my eyes it really seems, that there is a deep love between those two, which already lasts since a couple of years now. And to me Charlene would be a real asset to the Monegasque Family.
I rather think, that he still wants to give her some time to prepare and to learn better dealing with the press... but sooner or later this "preparation time" should be finished.

Of course there is the possibility to bring Carolines children to the throne - this has happened in other countries as well, where the Souvereign did not produce a heir, such as Belgium as an example..... but the difference is, that i.e. Bauduin & Fabiola had several miscarriages, whereas Albert DID NOT YET TRY IT UNTIL NOW.... (and children like Alexandre does not count here, they are already excluded from the throne).

As mentionned, just my opinion
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Perhaps you have made some points here but you cannot "force" someone into marriage because of having to acquiecse to the nuptials on the excuse that it is one's "duty"and that everybody else has done it.It is true that Miss Wittsock has a long tenure now by the side of the Prince but that does not mean that he must acquiecse to marriage or anything else.What this relationship has above all others is that neither Prince Albert nor Charlene have forced anything on each other.I think they realize timing is important and that they must not marry for the wrong reasons so as not to part for the right ones.I think that theirs has a beauty of its own and a freedom that does not come from the dead faith of the living in a traditional sense which is connected with any of the words regarding their positions.They are both iconoclastic when it comes to doing things traditionally and the way they are expected to. So we cross our fingers and wait.It is just my opinion but Pa and Cw are not as pragmatic as you would wish them to be. Had that been the case they would have married quickly and had a half a dozen children by now.
However we wait watch and hope the best for them.
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Old 02-21-2010, 03:36 AM
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Are there any published interviews given by Charlene? I have never heard her speak. It is difficult for me to judge what type of a person she is because I don't know much about her. She was a comptetive swimmer. She seems to have a cheerful upbeat personality. She is patient. Prince Albert has been pursued by and introduced to all types of women. He has stayed with Charlene for many years. There must be special chemistry.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:18 PM
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Jaya's contribution is one of the best and most level-headed in this thread, I think.

Her comment about PA and CW not being very pragmatic really made me think.

I just hope that their relationship prospers, whether they get married or not.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:01 AM
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Prince Albert II of Monaco and Charlene Wittstock at the 2009
FIA prize presentation gala in Monaco December 11, 2009.

On pic 3 you can see a solar car, the Nuna 5.


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 ** belga **
I think its a couple of reasons why Albert hasnt married. One being ego- the day he announces a engagement will be the day that he will be eclipsed by his fiance. The other being the marriage contract for the ruling family- any child born into the marriage must remain in Monaco even if the marriage has ended- I think this would be hard pill to swallow in the 21st century.

I really think he need a over haul in the public relations department- His father and mother was masters at this. Rainier, I believe didnt mind being eclipsed by Grace- he was always thinking about the good that would bring Monaco.

Albert never showcased his girlfriends around Rainier- but yet he waited until father passed to bring Charlene to the fore front- almost making making her apart of the family without the benefit of marriage- escorts him to functions, balls, recieving bouquets as if she was a princess in the family etc. All the things his mother gave up to marry Rainier and the years of work to be accepted by the citizens of Monaco to me its a slap in Graces' face they way Albert is acting

I read on another forum that they look like the Duke and Duchess Windsor when they go about thier travels. { no substance}

Unless he and Caroline has some sort of arrangement- he is putting Andreas life in limbo----what if this, what if that...... are u going to marry and produce a legal heir??????????? You are 51 years old, now

Rainier and Grace was TEAM.. now we have this
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Old 02-27-2010, 02:59 PM
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Almost 52 !

Sorry to disagree with you, Due, but Grace and Rainier were from a different age - I should know because I watched their wedding in 1956 on TV :-)

Albert is from a more modern age where social conventions don't matter quite so much, and where people have more leeway in expectations of behaviour, lifestyle etc.

I believe that every human being has to make their own life choices, without too much interference from others.

Perhaps the comparison to the Windsors in the Thirties is not quite so relevant, and Wallis was divorced - which, presumably, Charlene is not.

In any case, nobody would bat an eyelid regarding Charlene being single or divorced.
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:07 AM
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I agree. That's why I think it's grossly unfair for any one to discuss PA's and CW's private sphere, especially speculation on whether or not they have a carnal relationship.

Do we really want to stoop to the attitude of paparazzi or BUNTE's scribblers?

Anyway, I found this astrological chart for Charlene. Can anyone enlighten us as to its meaning?
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Astrologie : Charlene WITTSTOCK, née le 25/01/1978, thème astral, biographie, photo et carte du ciel avec Astrotheme
According to this link she was born in Johannesburg in South Africa, that must be wrong in stead of her facebook tells in Bulawayo in the formal Rhodesia and current Zimbabwe
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Wikipedia has her birthplace as Bulawayo, but a You Tube link has it as Benoni.
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:15 PM
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This is going on a bit too long now with nothing formal happening. If she is THE ONE... marry her....... if not, set her free !! Its not like he is in the first flush of youth or saving like mad for a wedding.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:37 PM
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This is going on a bit too long now with nothing formal happening. If she is THE ONE... marry her....... if not, set her free !! Its not like he is in the first flush of youth or saving like mad for a wedding.
I agree and disagree . They Pa and Cw have to marry "each other" as opposed to Pa marrying Cw.I , personally think that if CW had left for a while to go home and gather her thoughts Pa would have gone after her.Still CW is free to leave for a while {as I do not think either of these two are hostage takers} if she still has that self-esteem to create this into a bigger love story than it is presently;to create a cliffhanger; and have Pa go to her Father and ask for her hand.Then we would see the identical formality of Rainier when he turned up in Philadelphia that Christmas of 55 to ask for the hand of Grace at her home.
I agree on not having to save for the nuptials.I also agree that it is dragging on interminably without any intimation as to what will or might actually happen.
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I agree and disagree . They Pa and Cw have to marry "each other" as opposed to Pa marrying Cw.I , personally think that if CW had left for a while to go home and gather her thoughts Pa would have gone after her.Still CW is free to leave for a while {as I do not think either of these two are hostage takers} if she still has that self-esteem to create this into a bigger love story than it is presently;to create a cliffhanger; and have Pa go to her Father and ask for her hand.Then we would see the identical formality of Rainier when he turned up in Philadelphia that Christmas of 55 to ask for the hand of Grace at her home.
I agree on not having to save for the nuptials.I also agree that it is dragging on interminably without any intimation as to what will or might actually happen.
Love yr post, Jaya

I may sound a bit old fashioned but to me she has been compromised severely she darn near lives with the Prince.

For being a head of a catholic country this is mind blowing. One wonders what the Pope said to him

I always thought that royalty as a families that cling to old world ideas in a modern fashion in this day and age.
As I stated b4 he needs a over haul in the PR department-

Is Charlene chaperoned? when they go out? especially abroad?
I read on other posts that she appears to be a kept woman- I think that is harsh but it does appear that way.

Personally, I think he a CW have a nice "arrangement" between them. If she was a true gold digger she would have gotten pregnant by now and cashing checks
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Well said, Due!

I think it's become obvious that matrimony is not on the agenda, unless at some time in the distant future, if at all.

I also believe it's a matter for the two of them, and no one else, so let's accept the fait accompli and enjoy their lives vicariously.

As long as PA does his job and tirelessly promotes the success of Monaco and his foundation, his subjects will forgive him anything.
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Prince Albert and Charlene's interview:

Fürst Albert von Monaco: Das erste gemeinsame Interview! - Videos - BUNTE (13/03/2010).
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Prince Albert and Charlene's interview:

Fürst Albert von Monaco: Das erste gemeinsame Interview! - Videos - BUNTE (13/03/2010).
She speaks!!!!! I never heard her speak before!!!! She dosen't sound bad at all--- Albert lets GET on with it!
( They look like a couple that has been together for a long time- they look like good friends )
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Does anyone think Prince Albert is turned off to marriage because of his sisters
faiedl marriages and/or the curse of the Grimaldi family for permanent love?
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Prince Albert and Charlene's interview:

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She speaks!!!!! I never heard her speak before!!!! She dosen't sound bad at all--- Albert lets GET on with it!
( They look like a couple that has been together for a long time- they look like good friends )
Maybe an engagement is going to be offered soon- isnt this the first time he had a interview with her?? Publically acknowledgeing their relationship?

If so for image sake- she should move back in with her parents in South Africa and let it be done formally
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Love her voice! Sweet and mature. Albert...what are you waiting for?
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Yes, her voice and general manner came as a nice surprise - long overdue...

Having said that, I still don't think PA will ever get married.

More than fifty years of having one's own way does mark a person.
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Old 03-13-2010, 03:47 PM
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Charlene is a lovely girl. I hope this was a rehearsal for the engagement interview...

I don't know much about Albert's private life. Is this his longest relationship to date?
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It was a nice interview. She comes across very well. I assume this interview was conducted in Vancouver since Albert the Olympics logo on his collar.
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Charlene comes across as natural and lovely in the interview. I think finally we have some progress and now I do not think it is simply out of the question that they will marry .They appear suited to one another. I hope it is imminent.
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