Prince Albert and Princess Charlene's Relationship - Part 2

[hibou]

LOL You have listed the whole immediate British royal family except Andrew. The Queen in her earlier years did indeed attend royal weddings. I agree with her advanced age she is turning those duties over to Charles. We have gone over the mistress thing many times. Charlene has NO INCOME OF HER OWN. She is a kept women which means she is a mistress. A companion has a job and income of their own..What job does Charlene hold besides being at Albert's beck and call? She's a mistress -- at one time that was a prestigious position to have.

 

[Lumutqueen]

LOL You have listed the whole immediate British royal family except Andrew. The Queen in her earlier years did indeed attend royal weddings. I agree with her advanced age she is turning those duties over to Charles. We have gone over the mistress thing many times. Charlene has NO INCOME OF HER OWN. She is a kept women which means she is a mistress. A companion has a job and income of their own..What job does Charlene hold besides being at Albert's beck and call? She's a mistress -- at one time that was a prestigious position to have.

I've missed
Prince Andrew
Princess Beatrice
Princess Eugenie
Princess Anne



A mistress is a term that is usually used when she is sleeping with a man who is married. As far as I know Albert isn't married.
Yes she is a Kept Woman. I don't think she is at his Beck and Call thats an awful saying, makes her sound like a dog. She maybe a mistress in your opinion but not in mine. Makes her sound awful that term.

 

[Jaya]

Lumutqueen:
what I mean by dragging Greece Portugal and Spain into this is that the Euro is about or may collapse and Sweden is staging a very right wing affair where millions in tax payer's monies will be paid out for a wedding : I am asking where is the balance there? the social conscience?
As for Cw I do not care in what capacity she attends as she is going to anyway. Maybe it would be inappropriate for the Queen attending PV's wedding to have Charlene bow to her as yet?

LOL You have listed the whole immediate British royal family except Andrew. The Queen in her earlier years did indeed attend royal weddings. I agree with her advanced age she is turning those duties over to Charles. We have gone over the mistress thing many times. Charlene has NO INCOME OF HER OWN. She is a kept women which means she is a mistress. A companion has a job and income of their own..What job does Charlene hold besides being at Albert's beck and call? She's a mistress -- at one time that was a prestigious position to have.

hibou,
The Queen attended weddings in England like Margaret's and Diana's and Camilla's - now there's the rub {Hamlet] if she can go to that last one she certainly can attend this one.The last Queen on earth will be the British one and the one in the playing deck......Hibou how about changing in mistress for "courtesan" "escort" as in the Courtesan of Lucknow-? - we know she has no income etc.. but she is there and continues to be there...and gaining ground. so we will have to put in steel dentures if we do not approve of Albert's friend and escort

 

[Lumutqueen]

hibou,
The Queen attended weddings in England like Margaret's and Diana's and Camilla's - now there's the rub {Hamlet] if she can go to that last one she certainly can attend this one.The last Queen on earth will be the British one and the one in the playing deck......Hibou how about changing in mistress for "courtesan"

Not really, just because she attended her sons second marriage, why should she attend Victorias?

 

[iceflower]

We've had the discussion about the definition of the word
"mistress" before, so there's no need to start that again!

- And don't forget this is not a thread about Queen Elizabeth
or the other royal houses! -

 

[ilovemonaco]

why are we talking about who is on the list and who isnt...we are suppose to be talking thei relationship

 

[Jaya]

At a royal wedding or any other wedding, the limelight has to be on the happy couple, and only them.

Could I suggest a moratorium on the speculation about whether CW and/or PA turn up at the wedding or not?

There is a lot of - often very thoughtful, even profound - discussion, and I enjoy most of it.

Many of us, I'm sure, love meeting on the Monaco Forum and engaging in interesting debate, but just occasionally we seem to get carried away on a particular thread, and things become a bit stressful.

Let's keep things light and have fun discussing our friends, the Grimaldis.

Renata , The first hundred years are difficult and then U pull up a coffin and become accustomed.We wait we watch we see.. and finally we will debate. Until then Peace especially to us and then Charlene and Pa.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

I don't see a problem with Charlene attending Victoria's wedding. I think it would be nice to see her there with Albert. But I do hope she doesn't wear something to revealing.

 

[FanofMonaco]

If I were a Monagasque I would be really hacked if PA got married and had kids at this late date. Monaco relies on glamour and the Casiraghis are perfect for the job. I think it was decided before Prince Rainier died that Andrea would be the next prince. He has gone through all of the training just like Albert did. That is why he is interning at the Qatar embassy now. PA recently said his relationship with Charlene would not necessarily be a conventional one. Andrea said he would fullfill his duties. I think if PA decides to get married he will abdicate to PC or Andrea.

 

[Timea83]

If I were a Monagasque I would be really hacked if PA got married and had kids at this late date. Monaco relies on glamour and the Casiraghis are perfect for the job. I think it was decided before Prince Rainier died that Andrea would be the next prince. He has gone through all of the training just like Albert did. That is why he is interning at the Qatar embassy now. PA recently said his relationship with Charlene would not necessarily be a conventional one. Andrea said he would fullfill his duties. I think if PA decides to get married he will abdicate to PC or Andrea.

We really don't what kind of agreement they made before the death of Prince Ranier.We don't see the far future.It is sure that PA will die without legitime offspring then Princess Caroline will inherit the throne and the title .( if she is alive at the time of PA death)Andrea is third in the succession line. I think you should not be afraid that Charlene beacome princess of Monaco. PA had a lot of time to decided to settle down with CW so far nothing serious happened. They will enjoy each others company and both of them are getting older

 

[sandsla]

You got it Pontiac and we have someone even mentioning a tiara... on Charlene's head. ... to boot/.. and then another almost sounding that the wedding will be like a possible final rock concert by the Rolling Stones.-Madonna was not invited.


I can tel U are from England because U know your Princes will not turn up then U say Charlene[denigrating her in a way] along with all nut cases should come from far and wide to even see or attend this very right wing event... go to the wedding.... hard core royals are very right wing individuals and Europe is such a mess .. Greece Portugal and Spain.. wow!! Just a girl from South Africa with a dream hobnobbing with the houses of Gotha. I am excited for her.
What tiara is Charlene going to wear to the wedding itself have U made calculated guess?


How does Greece or any nation figure in this would U like to give these details pertaining by innuendo by you across the public airwaves of the net so my lawyers can look at this U? These are the public airwaves and u are insinuating that Charlene Wittsock has me on the HOOK? U just hate the girl...... she is there..................... bashing her up is a way of life .... Where do U get that I have lived in Greece[this is personal info if true] and how does it relate to CW?.Misogyny is word U should learn to spell..... because the level of bashing Cw is coming to that.U are as insolent as U portray Cw as U think she has me on the hook and that I have an affinity with her[that will change Monaco's future- other than Facebook that will really have the impact... just the pics alone will get her the title of Princess- will someone grab a brain?-] that will offend if U say she has me on the hook? What hook?Cw enlists people to do her bidding - now I have heard everything...... she has spies everywhere - Am I in Vaudeville with that hook? You have yourself on the hook because she is there and will be. I am not at the wedding Cw is .... good for her...This is Too funny to be true transparent Cw attending the wedding of the Crown Princess Victoria and U are still in denial about her really being Pa's companion;escort and possible wife.I have laffed so hard I am crying... Greece and all give it up- tell the world what U pls I do not care at all..It helped Cw and no doubt assist me too!!

Jaya, I am only replying to your own post here where you have singled me out with your own innuendo and where you have more than insinuated that I could not possibly know what I was speaking about because you believe that I'm American and therefore not anything else, or the possibility that I have ever lived anywhere else?

I mention Greece or Canada only because of what you have personally publicly touted yourself on these forums over the years and "above the public ariways" (you might want to reread your own posts on these forums), and what seems to be what you feel is your own superiority of knowledge over others on all subjects?

I did not mean to get ugly here. I meant the "hook" as a little tongue in cheek and on the lines of being a bit gullible, because yes Jaya (IMO) I believe this girl is so desperate for a wedding between herself and Albert that from the beginning she has used these forums to talk herself up in an effort to distort many things, including peoples real opinion of her? (IMO) She seems to have her own agenda here that really has nothing to do with any of us and these forums and the people on it--they are just a tool that she hoped would get her closer to her end goal? I guess she has a right to use the forums in any way she wants, but on occasion I like to let her know I see right through it and I don't appreciate being manipulated? Please tell me why I (or others) should not be able to counter this? You can "laff" yourself wherever you wish, but I just thought you might actually be someone that could read between the lines of these posts? Your reply tells me otherwise.(IMO) these posts seem rather obvious that someone is making an effort to profile Charlene not only in a false way, but in a rather presumptuous way on these forums, including her FaceBook Page, Jaya, that is what people object about--a women being kept posing as someone with character? Charity herself, yet philanthropic? . Never mind a woman that promotes herself, which is bad enough, but on another person's merit, or for having a relationship with someone, just to exploit? Sounds a tad tawdry for some, even if this kind of thing does not bother you?.

I am hoping you are being sarcastic with some of those remarks because otherwise it reads rather oddly . (IMO) you seem to be misinterpreting what I think people are getting at here? No one seems to be denying that there is a relationship between these two, whatever it is? Perhaps the "whatever it is" bothers some people? That is probably less my problem. (IMO) I think what a lot of people seem to oppose is what seems to be the peddling of Charlene--the fed to the public aspect to it? There are plenty of people that have a brain here? If someone is seeking the media for a spotlight, which she seems to be doing (hence her Facebook Page)? She should expect to get a spotlight! And that is the only reason she finds herself such a big target! She sought it out herself! I think both she and/or whomever is behind the aggrandizing of this girl would or should expect the many comments thrown her way, they invited it!

People in general do not like the idea of being manipulated or their intelligence being insulted. It's not the existence of the relationship people are denying, it's the insincere attempt at peddling this girl to be something other than who she is? If you think people who hold certain stations in life still want to be honored and respected because of it, there has to be some reason for it? Otherwise what makes their position any more valuable or to be taken any more serious than any other reality star or someone clamoring for fortune and fame? That is where some people (IMO) are scratching their head? Maybe in another century Charlene is the kind of girl would be much admired.

Jaya, I am not always proud of some my posts here, but even then they are almost always to defend myself, and are generally made in an effort to directly counter someone's attack or someone's effort to deceive. Jaya, you only have to look to your own posts here and all the replies to them to see you are also guilty of what you accuse others of. Jaya, in the past I have enjoyed many of your posts that I thought very witty at times, but I think it's best for us to avoid replying to each others posts. There is a way of removing my posts for yourself if they offend you, but you shouldn't be surprised to get the responses that you get here from myself and others..

 

[Renata4711]

Pleeeeeaaaaase - let's leave the poor woman alone.

Charlen is not peddling or aggrandizing herself. She just lives her life with her boyfriend. Anything else lies in the future, and nobody can foretell that.

 

[hibou]

Pleeeeeaaaaase - let's leave the poor woman alone.

Charlen is not peddling or aggrandizing herself. She just lives her life with her boyfriend. Anything else lies in the future, and nobody can foretell that.

First, I agree that threats and lawsuits are best left at the door before entering a forum and let mods take care of posts they think are not appropriate. Anyway, I have to disagree with you about Charlene because her boyfriend (I prefer patron) is not an ordinary person he is HSH. Therefore, there is no such thing as leaving her alone. She could have chosen to stay hidden, in which case I would agree with you, but she didn't and has been every bit a part of this dog and pony show. Therefore, for better or worse, she has left herself open to comment and for some posters she is very much a media hound. She loves the high life so all is fair when one becomes a public figure. That's just the way it is these days. If she wanted to be a private person, she should not have allowed herself to put out there in such a public way. JMO.

 

[Timea83]

She never wanted to be a private person. She loves spotlight and can imagine she is an influental and important socialite in Monaco. With affecting modesty and keeping herself in the background she couldn't reach her goals.That way she wouldn't become the ambassador of Ladies Lunch or Armani. Nothing can stop her to continue this career.
I think PA doesn't bother his partner behavoiur.CW doesn't have an official status but she owes such privileges and rights which in normal case a wife could have.

Hibou what do you think? The influental members of high socialite in Monaco respect CW or they endure her because she is PA's long erm companion.

 

[hibou]

Hibou what do you think? The influental members of high socialite in Monaco respect CW or they endure her because she is PA's long erm companion.

LOL. Well, I think like any royal court, they are nice to her face to gain favors from Albert and then slit her throat behind her back. If she were his wife, they would never talk behind her back out of fear, but because her position is based entirely on Albert's whim, it's pretty much open season. I do think she has proven that she is tough enough to take it.

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

Pleeeeeaaaaase - let's leave the poor woman alone.

Charlen is not peddling or aggrandizing herself. She just lives her life with her boyfriend. Anything else lies in the future, and nobody can foretell that.

I'm with you. As long as she is appropriately dressed (that is a matter or personal opinion) no one here should really care if she is at the Princes side. Its not hurting the image of Monaco except in the minds of those who think it. They have a good relationship and the Prince has said it himself as his friends and others who like her. Would you rather see him lonely and without companionship? It sounds like it. As long as I've been a member of this board and even before, I don't recall any of the woman he dated as being perfect and acceptable, someone always found something wrong and attacked her. I know a few might jump in to point out my opinions on one woman. Other than it being off topic what you saw wasn't what it appeared to be. This reminds me of Prince Rainier who didn't like any of the woman Albert did and I'm not surprised he's remained single so long. Every one he wanted Rainier to like Rainier didn't. Don't any of you have any idea how that would make him question every woman he's dated? It has and he's said that as well, quoted in the press and books from conversations he's had with people. The poor man can't get a break even with his father gone his spirit lives on in your opinions. Grace would want her son to be happy. I feel it was more in Rainiers eyes no woman could compare to Grace not Alberts.

The fact Charlene has appeared with the family for the first time at the Grand Prix when the trophy was given out is a message everything is going well, as the invite to the Parliamentary wedding of Princess Victoria. I for one would find it hard to believe he is ready to dump her for another woman after seeing those photos.

 

[hibou]

I respectfully disagree. Rainier did not like the women Albert brought home and I'm sure he had his reasons. Given the brief glimse of the woman he was with when I met him, it's given me good reason to think Rainier was correct. Both his parents would want him to be happy. It is pure speculation that Grace would be happy with Charlene which is what you are implying in your comment. As for the Royal "box" situation, don't anyone get their hopes up for a royal announcement. Charlene was recently asked about an engagement and her reply was she doesn't discuss it with him. Compare that to the "soul mate" comments from four years ago. I wouldn't call the relationship stable, I would say more resigned to her fate of no wedding. With the trio ever the more present at events and starting to in little ways "take over", I would say they are heirs in training. What ever Charlene's position, it does not appear that it will be that of wife or Princess. As for protocol, Albert seems to not care one hoot about it or Charlene wouldn't have been at the trophy presentation. JMO

 

[Timea83]

Not yet. However Albert doesn't like her enough to marry her. Now he doesn't think to dump her for another woman. A marriage would be a great forward leap forward for CW. Do you think when Charlene turns 40 or 45 we will see her at PA's side.If PA really wants her he could commit himself to marrying her at last.

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

I respectfully disagree. Rainier did not like the women Albert brought home and I'm sure he had his reasons...

I wasn't speculating or implying Grace would approve of Charlene. I made a statement in general that she "Grace would want her son to be happy" that doesn't mean she would approve of her. Don't forget Grace wasn't approved of either by her mother in law. If Rainier wanted Albert to be happy he would have tried to accept some of the woman Albert brought home to meet him the reason I said " I feel it was more in Rainiers eyes no woman could compare to Grace not Alberts."

As for protocol, Albert seems to not care one hoot about it or Charlene wouldn't have been at the trophy presentation. JMO

Can you answer me this: why hasn't Charlene been there before if he felt that way?

 

[hibou]

Because Caroline was not there combined with the fact that the longer he has been in power the less inclined he has been to follow protocol --and it's not just this event it's been the last couple of years that he's breached it again and again. I don't know all the women Albert has brought home but the one I met wasn't one that would have fit the role of princess. I'm sorry, if you hold a public office, whether you are voted in or born into it, there are certain expectations of behavior that people expect from a leader. Like one poster said, if he was that madly in love with her, he'd have married her by now, the fact is he's happy being "single". He's got his cake and eat it too and unless Charlene decides to leave it will stay this way. Why would she leave if lifestyle is what is important to her? ---and she is more than willing to wait it out. There's no Rainier stopping him.

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

Caroline didn't attend last year either. Why wasn't Charlene there then?

Like one poster said, if he was that madly in love with her, he'd have married her by now, the fact is he's happy being "single".

It took Princess Victoria and Daniel long enough to decide to marry. I said it before I know a couple who were happy together for 19 years before they decided to marry. Time doesn't matter at all to some couples not all are alike in when they decide to marry if they want. Its not something they have to do if they like the relationship as it is. It is after all their lives not ours.

 

[hibou]

LOL and how old are Victoria and Daniel and how old is Albert? Albert is not your average guy and time is not on his side --- that is the one thing most people on this board to not understand. HE'S NOT NORMAL HE'S ROYAL whole different set of circumstances. Rainier in fact wanted him married a long time ago. Most men of a certain age I know or have heard about, who marry late in life, don't wait four years. They marry within 1-2. In fact, my sister in laws brother is getting married for the first time at 50. He was a playboy just like Albert. What changed? He fell in love. How long has he known this girl --- about a year. There you go. I don't doubt that Albert likes the situation "as is" it suits him. Would she rather be married to him --- judging by all the comments she's made over the last four year --- you bet. Albert does what Albert wants I'm just saying that people shouldn't read into her being at the trophy presentation. It's Albert doing as he pleases. Why would the trio be presenting trophies and doing more in Monaco this past year or so, if Albert was planning on getting married? Caroline is stepping back and letting the trio help present the trophies. It's the next generation of Grimaldi's starting to be put into place. It's not Charlene getting ready to be princess.

 

[Jaya]

Now Vanity Fair has got into the prompts from various personalities about marriage between CW and Pa.I expect something after PC Victoria's wedding from the palace as in an announcement.If not I capitulate
Here in SA they look like they have a quite a bond and the trip to Sa maybe two fold; other than soccer.

 

[Thecia]

And here were go again....

 

[Jaya]

And here were go again....

A bit like a joy ride on a tidal wave isn't it? oh joy!
And that is without a surf board......

 

[rarotonga]

Now Vanity Fair has got into the prompts from various personalities about marriage between CW and Pa.I expect something after PC Victoria's wedding from the palace as in an announcement.If not I capitulate
Here in SA they look like they have a quite a bond and the trip to Sa maybe two fold; other than soccer.

Jaya, what do you mean by the trip to SA maybe two fold? Do you mean attending the World Cup and PA asking CW's parents for her hand in marriage or PA proposing to CW in her home country? Any reason why you expect an announcement after CP Victoria's nuptials?

 

[Jaya]

Jaya, what do you mean by the trip to SA maybe two fold? Do you mean attending the World Cup and PA asking CW's parents for her hand in marriage or PA proposing to CW in her home country? Any reason why you expect an announcement after CP Victoria's nuptials?

Just conjecture on my part. If they miss this opportunity we have a long and winding road to the steps of St. Nicholas............. I thought of it as a natural consequence... to the sequence of long and drawn out events.

 

[Thecia]

A bit like a joy ride on a tidal wave isn't it? oh joy!
And that is without a surf board......

I just don't like speculating about them getting married. Not that I don't want them to get married (I personally am not a fan of Charlene - I don't hate her but I don't like her either. But that has nothing to do with them getting married) but I'd rather just let what is be, you know? I just think, they're together and if she makes Albert happy then good for her. If they want to get married and that makes them happy then good for them. But I personally don't want to get all excited about them getting married. Personally, I think with Albert in his fifties it's high time he did if he really wants to. He's running out of chances to anyway. I mean, there's always going to be someone around Albert because he's a prince but I think the older he gets the less interested in marriage that person around him will be (unless someone decides to pull an Anna-Nicole on him and marry him just before he dies to get his money).
I think sometimes, people kind of jump at nothing (I'm not directing that at you but at Vanity Fair). They could just have been going to the TV Festival because they're together, you know? I don't see the significance in it that they do obviously, because I don't understand how that points to a wedding.
And as for there being some kind of announcement after Victoria's wedding (only a week to go! Now I can get excited about that wedding because it's fact that it is actually going to happen - theoretically ) I thought they weren't going? Or that they didn't know who was going? Because all I've been reading in the German and Swedish media recently about Monaco related to the wedding is that there's been no confirmation from Monaco.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l-2P-pOfl7F/Prince+Albert+Monaco+World+Cup/ajt2FcTDjja

 

[Jaya]

I did not insinuate that anything points to a wedding but made an allusion ; that the probabilities are there and not there depending on what Pa decides.If Pa misses this opportunity to go see CW's parents then I do not think a wedding will ever take place in our near futures.Because throughout the last four years he has not been to SA at all. Suddenly he is there for a rugby match?Gosh if I was Cw I would have a second look at what I have invested in the relationship-regarding time.

 

[Thecia]

Oh, I never said you did. I was talking about how Vanity Fair was saying that the next royal wedding could be in Monaco and referenced them at the TV Festival. I said that I didn't see how Vanity Fair could think that points to a wedding.