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Old 12-11-2008, 01:20 PM
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Good point, Odette. I'm not a CW fan - I still feel she's not classy enough - but to be fair to her, it can't have been easy. There are surely a lot of snooty people around PA who will have snubbed her for her background. I think that would be expected. However, she's managed to hold her own. If she was really that awful, she would have embarassed PA and he would have gotten rid of her. But he hasn't.
She has done many embarassing things including leaning all over him in front of other royals etc at the last Olympics and lets not forget telling off Sarkozy about a year ago at the world cup finals. The fact that she is still here speaks volumes about PA. There is a difference between her doing embarassing things and what PA has or hasn't chosen to do about it. Yes she is still here, and yes there are snobby people who find her unpolished but there are also people who are more than happy to promote her or take advantage of her position to PA. So far neither of them seems to mind.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:47 PM
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A lot of newly arrived ladies on the royal scene have (at one time or another) done embarrassing things. The difference imo is that the others had behind them the needed support, since at that point they were part of the different royal families.
The difference with Charlene is that no matter how visible she is, she still is the "girlfriend". What PA's circle thinks or doesn't think and say about her is a mystery. What I am trying to say is that she came a long way and she must be a polite/diplomatic/strong lady to endure whatever she had to, to last in that environment.
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Whatever the nature or status of their relationship, it seems to work for them. Thats pretty much all anyone can ask for in a relationship.
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:38 AM
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Whatever the nature or status of their relationship, it seems to work for them. Thats pretty much all anyone can ask for in a relationship.
That may be so, but we have bear in mind PA is head of state for Monaco. PA and CW's relationship may work for them, but I'm not sure it works for Monaco. PA the man may not ask for more in his personal relationships but PA the prince ought to.

OTOH, I'm an optimist so I would still credit PA with enough good sense to get rid of her if she oversteps the line. Of course he may have a different idea of where the line lies! As Odette pointed out, people do make mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them. If CW is going to be a permanent fixture in PA's life, I hope she will improve. I think there has been some improvement already, but there is still a long way to go.
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Old 12-12-2008, 08:18 PM
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A lot of newly arrived ladies on the royal scene have (at one time or another) done embarrassing things. The difference imo is that the others had behind them the needed support, since at that point they were part of the different royal families.
The difference with Charlene is that no matter how visible she is, she still is the "girlfriend". What PA's circle thinks or doesn't think and say about her is a mystery. What I am trying to say is that she came a long way and she must be a polite/diplomatic/strong lady to endure whatever she had to, to last in that environment.

OMG...amen to that first sentence but I don't want to start a firestorm so I'll leave it at that...LOL! Charlene is Queen Mary compared to some of the recent and current "Royal" spouses and girlfriends.

Personally, if I was her I'd throw in the towel. It's become embarrassing. She's beginning to look like a hanger-on and Albert II has gone way past being a disgrace in my book. I am convinced that he plans to groom one of his young nephews(who both have very presentable girlfriends by the way) as his eventual successor.

I just don't think he intends to do his duty and marry and provide an Heir. He doesn't want to from the looks of it.

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Pressure? You love someone. You don't like being without them. You want similar things from the future. You get along well. You don't want to be without them. You marry them. In real love, the natural pressure would be to prevent being apart at all. And for "Catholics" what's with all this living together and being together for three years without a marriage to go with it?

I agree with you completely but I don't know if Charlene has even converted to Catholicism. If she has not, it fuels my belief that Albert has no intention of marrying her now or in the future.

As for the shacking up for three years situation? Well I think it's incredibly tacky, especially for the ruler of a Catholic Principality. But hey, that's Albert for ya. He is determined to do things his way obviously. And maybe the Principality is not as conservative and devout as it was during Rainier and Grace years.
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:39 PM
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At the beginning and perhaps up until a year ago, her choices in clothes and hairstyles were distinctly middle class. However she came a long way and she now dresses like she always had access to couture.
Really? I think she never looks refined. She has a thin layer of vulgarity about her that she cannot quite shake off, imo. No amount of styling, make-up and expensive bespoke gown will ever make her elegant to me. Some ordinary women clean up very nice and can play the part (for example Princess Mary). Charlene simply isn't one of those women.
Albert, in general, does not seem to be attracted to graceful women. All of his girlfriend were quite common, or sexy but not elegant, with the exception of rumored gf Karen Mulder (who turned out mentally unstable sadly) and my favourite of his exes, Tasha de Vasconcelo (the woman was class imo). I do wonder if it's some kind of twisted reaction to his mother...
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:25 AM
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i think albert fell into duty reluctantly. i think he shouldve abdicted in favor of his sister caroline so he could have his private life as he wanted.
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Really? I think she never looks refined. She has a thin layer of vulgarity about her that she cannot quite shake off, imo. No amount of styling, make-up and expensive bespoke gown will ever make her elegant to me. Some ordinary women clean up very nice and can play the part (for example Princess Mary). Charlene simply isn't one of those women.
Albert, in general, does not seem to be attracted to graceful women. All of his girlfriend were quite common, or sexy but not elegant, with the exception of rumored gf Karen Mulder (who turned out mentally unstable sadly) and my favourite of his exes, Tasha de Vasconcelo (the woman was class imo). I do wonder if it's some kind of twisted reaction to his mother...
Your last paragraph is fascinating...I have felt the same thing for YEARS about PA's choices in women. He has stated innumerable times that he is looking for a woman just like his mother. He gravitates toward striking blondes, but all similarities to Princess Grace tend to end there, I'm afraid.

As a matter of fact ALL of the Grimaldi children have tended to be attracted to partners with more than a touch of vulgarity, and I too wonder if it's some sort of twisted reaction to their late mother.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:11 PM
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Really? I think she never looks refined. She has a thin layer of vulgarity about her that she cannot quite shake off, imo. No amount of styling, make-up and expensive bespoke gown will ever make her elegant to me. Some ordinary women clean up very nice and can play the part (for example Princess Mary). Charlene simply isn't one of those women.
Albert, in general, does not seem to be attracted to graceful women. All of his girlfriend were quite common, or sexy but not elegant, with the exception of rumored gf Karen Mulder (who turned out mentally unstable sadly) and my favourite of his exes, Tasha de Vasconcelo (the woman was class imo). I do wonder if it's some kind of twisted reaction to his mother...
I don't know, I think you are being a bit harsh. I can accept the fact that class and elegance are qualities no one can buy. However she did come a long way and she has improved a great deal. I do not find her vulgar.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:01 PM
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Albert and Charlene

Do Albert and Charlene actually live together or does Charlene maintain a separate residence?
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Old 12-21-2008, 04:37 AM
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Oh My !!? I think you are right!? I think it's just that the media wanted SO BADLY for P-A to get married after his father died and his son showed up .. that they have made C-W something greater than she really is!? I think she really IS no different than the others he has had except that he cannot really be talked out of this one by his father. I mean, he'd dated C-W before his father died and P-R must NOT have approved of her then because there was only that one date
?? He dated CW (even once?) while Rainier was alive?? The media gave the impression they met at the 2006 Olympics.
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Old 12-21-2008, 04:53 AM
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Really? I think she never looks refined. She has a thin layer of vulgarity about her that she cannot quite shake off, imo. No amount of styling, make-up and expensive bespoke gown will ever make her elegant to me. Some ordinary women clean up very nice and can play the part (for example Princess Mary). Charlene simply isn't one of those women.
Albert, in general, does not seem to be attracted to graceful women. All of his girlfriend were quite common, or sexy but not elegant, with the exception of rumored gf Karen Mulder (who turned out mentally unstable sadly) and my favourite of his exes, Tasha de Vasconcelo (the woman was class imo). I do wonder if it's some kind of twisted reaction to his mother...
Once again I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with you Idriel.
Tasha de Vasconcellos would have made the perfect Princess for Albert.
She is of noble descent to boot, descended from William the Conqueror, Charlemagne just to name a few Kings. She is beautiful and would be an asset to Monaco, she would be good for Albert but perhaps she is a bit too good for him.
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There were rumors at the time that Tasha had been previously married for a short time
It was never confirmed
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Old 12-21-2008, 07:01 AM
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I don't know, I think you are being a bit harsh. I can accept the fact that class and elegance are qualities no one can buy. However she did come a long way and she has improved a great deal. I do not find her vulgar.
LOL.....'Class and quality' ......... The Grimaldis may be very glamourous and beautiful people, as well as their mother, Grace, but none of them is really classy although Caroline seems to have a very high opinion of her own importance these days as a 'Serene Highness'. Let's get real, these people are just 'royal' upstarts, not taken seriously by any other royals in Europe or the rest of the world.
I do not find Charlene more vulgar than, for instance, Stephanie or Charlotte.
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There were rumors at the time that Tasha had been previously married for a short time
It was never confirmed
I saw that somewhere but I donīt know for sure whether it was just rumour, gossip or what? Perhaps that put a damper on the romance when Prince Rainier was alive. Who knows!
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Do you know, why PA did not marry Angy Everhardt. That was about 10 years ago. I remember very well those photos, showing PA really in love with Angy E. These pictures could not deceive. A.E. was a very very beautiful woman with red hair! Do you remember. Have you perhaps still a picture??? Oh jea!!!!!!!!!!
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I believe that any girl who is seen more than once at the same event that Prince Albert attends is considered a candidate for a marriage proposal....The Monagesques want another Grace Kelly badly it seems. I really think that the next ruler will be Andrea and that it has all been worked out but life is always full of surprises.
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?? He dated CW (even once?) while Rainier was alive?? The media gave the impression they met at the 2006 Olympics.
Their first date was sometime between 2000 and 2002 I don't recall which year. I think the first interview with Charlene about it is in the first Current Events Thread.
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Do you know, why PA did not marry Angy Everhardt. That was about 10 years ago. I remember very well those photos, showing PA really in love with Angy E. These pictures could not deceive. A.E. was a very very beautiful woman with red hair! Do you remember. Have you perhaps still a picture??? Oh jea!!!!!!!!!!
Angie was divorced and he was seeing Nicole when he was also seeing Tasha and Alicia.
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Their first date was sometime between 2000 and 2002 I don't recall which year. I think the first interview with Charlene about it is in the first Current Events Thread.
Angie was divorced and he was seeing Nicole when he was also seeing Tasha and Alicia.
In other words he was too busy to even contemplate marrying Angie.....
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Do you know, why PA did not marry Angy Everhardt. That was about 10 years ago. I remember very well those photos, showing PA really in love with Angy E. These pictures could not deceive. A.E. was a very very beautiful woman with red hair! Do you remember. Have you perhaps still a picture??? Oh jea!!!!!!!!!!

Because Angie Everheardt, despite being beautiful and smart-had a reptutation for being a "professional girlfriend". She has dated too many famous men to mention, mostly actors. She was engaged to Sly Stallone for about a week.

She was married to George Hamiliton's son Ashley, and has been recently linked to Prince Andrew.

She was also stupid enough to blab to the press about her relationship with Albert...something about how having red hair gave her an advantage or something. Albert was furious and dumped her immediately...good for him!

I think she would have been just a GRUESOME choice for Princess of Monaco!

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Their first date was sometime between 2000 and 2002 I don't recall which year. I think the first interview with Charlene about it is in the first Current Events Thread.
Angie was divorced and he was seeing Nicole when he was also seeing Tasha and Alicia.

Sheesh...Albert is fortunate that he hasn't ended up with more out of wedlock children. That is a BIT much, even for a playboy prince
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I believe that any girl who is seen more than once at the same event that Prince Albert attends is considered a candidate for a marriage proposal....The Monagesques want another Grace Kelly badly it seems. I really think that the next ruler will be Andrea and that it has all been worked out but life is always full of surprises.

I completely agree with everything you have stated. I also believe that Albert is perfectly content to have Andrea or Pierre as his Heir. Pierre is studying economics at university, and is dating a pretty Italian princess from an ancient family. That should please the Monagasques, no?!

As for fatherhood, Albert probably feels that he has fathered two children so he is not missing out on that aspect of life.
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