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Old 03-05-2006, 11:35 PM
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I have a question about the dates. They don't match up. If they slept together between July 8 and July 29 then March 4, 1992 is from 4 to 6 weeks off. Was Jazmin 6 weeks early or was she a full term baby? But you are right about anything being possible regarding Albert and the people he has allowed in his life over all these years. It's sad considering his position.
First LeahT I know you can read as I knew you know I can I was kidding with you. For everyone's info she and I do get along only don't agree on this case. If you want to like Albert then please do so and believe the facts not a tale as you pointed out by Bunky. Hi Bunky good to see your input. Leah don't forget this is a translator trying to find words for what was said not a human translation. I can tell you when you do translated words sometimes they don't look correct but are only similar to the actual meaning like estimate. I don't have a translator on this PC to give you a better version of the original article. Even Albert as good of English as he speaks sometimes uses a book for French-English translation of words to be sure what he wants to use is correct.

Tamara has never given proof of Jazmin being born premature only her word but Albert's means nothing. She has never given proof by an ultrasound report to show when she was due and would prove when the fetus was conceived. Today's technology can through ultrasounds determine about when conception occurred and when the baby will be born. Mine was born 40 weeks to the day of conception on the same day the ultra sound gave back in 1984 so by 1992 Tamara would have gotten a prefect date with the advancement of knowledge since mine. Why has she not given it? Donatella do you have an answer? How about Bruce McCormick have an answer? BTW I want to thank Bruce McCormick for providing the information he has.
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Old 03-05-2006, 11:58 PM
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quote=Laviollette]I have a question about the dates. They don't match up. If they slept together between July 8 and July 29 then March 4, 1992 is from 4 to 6 weeks off. Was Jazmin 6 weeks early or was she a full term baby? But you are right about anything being possible regarding Albert and the people he has allowed in his life over all these years. It's sad considering his position.[/quote]
I just so happen to have a pregnancy due date chart an arm away. I am 30weeks (actually 29 but I like to round up ) In the Mayo Clinic guide it lists pregnancy dates based on last menstral cycle and ovulation dates. Obviously, cycles vary for all women from 28 days to 42 days roughly. Based on that ovulation dates are usually more acurate and can reduce the gestation time depending on the cycle length. Everyone knows this I'm just getting to it slowly....

Based on my chart and the dates in Laviollete's post:
Ovulation on July 10th = Birth April 2nd
Ovulation on July 17th = Birth April 9th
Ovulation on July 24th = Brith April 16th
This estimated birth date is based on a 40 week gestation.

We have no idea when she ovulated but she probably did at some point in that 21 day span and if she ovulated in July, she would have given birth in March or April. All of the July ovulation dates come to a 40 week term in March and April. Most hospitals and doctors consider 36 or 37 weeks full term, given this, if she is claiming to have been with him in July, it's perfectly reasonable for her to have given birth when she did.

And yes, Lady M and I are do generally agree except on this point. And yes, I understand translators pick up words and try to fit them in but "I am not the father of JGG and here's the DNA to prove it" does not need translation. It's not a guess, it's a fact. I am beginning to think it is quite possible that it was Rainer, in a bid to protect Monoco's line, had a hand in creating this situation for PA. When one thinks of how PA insisted NC keep Alexandre a secret until Rainer's death, one can only imagine Rainer was not happy about JGG.
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Old 03-06-2006, 12:03 AM
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...Tamara has never given proof of Jazmin being born premature only her word but Albert's means nothing. She has never given proof by an ultrasound report to show when she was due and would prove when the fetus was conceived. Today's technology can through ultrasounds determine about when conception occurred and when the baby will be born. Mine was born 40 weeks to the day of conception on the same day the ultra sound gave back in 1984 so by 1992 Tamara would have gotten a prefect date with the advancement of knowledge since mine. Why has she not given it? Donatella do you have an answer? How about Bruce McCormick have an answer? BTW I want to thank Bruce McCormick for providing the information he has.
If TR conceived on July 8, 1991, their first day together, the due date would be approx. April 7, 1992, which is 39 weeks after conception. Conception after July 8 pushes the due date further into April - anywhere from April 7 to April 28. Jazmin was born March 4, 1992, which is actually 4 - 7 weeks early. She would have had to be weeks premature for PA to have fathered her.
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Old 03-06-2006, 12:32 AM
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...Tamara has never given proof of Jazmin being born premature only her word...
And yes, where is the proof that Jazmin was premature? This whole case has been about TR making accusations against a famous, rich man and not having to prove anything. Based on her dubious words, PA is supposed to just provide his DNA to some court? I don't think he should ever answer this claim.
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Old 03-06-2006, 01:05 AM
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If I may, I suggest someone with more knowledge of computers than myself look around this forum for photos of JG. I found some very clear ones, along with other family members, and would like to suggest they post them in this forum for us to review.

I feel she holds a very strong resembelence to Andrea, and even other family members at various stages. For certain, various features of various family members over the years including PA.
I posted photo's a few pages back in this thread. My business computer is being looked at due problems with posting in the Forum which I am also haveing on this computer only more so or would repost them. If anyone wants to be my guest.

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And yes, Lady M and I are do generally agree except on this point. And yes, I understand translators pick up words and try to fit them in but "I am not the father of JGG and here's the DNA to prove it" does not need translation. It's not a guess, it's a fact. I am beginning to think it is quite possible that it was Rainer, in a bid to protect Monoco's line, had a hand in creating this situation for PA. When one thinks of how PA insisted NC keep Alexandre a secret until Rainer's death, one can only imagine Rainer was not happy about JGG.
Okay you are doing it again. You are not asking Tamara to prove anything therefore she is getting away with staking, harassing, and attempting to extort money while endangering a minor in the commission of a felony. Look at the photos of Tamara with a baby Jazmin a few pages back. She was in Albert's face with the poor child in the presents of other children disregarding their welfare, mental health and placing them in a dangerous situation. Now you will all ask how she did that.
Albert has body guards to protect him. How many of you think they are armed with weapons? Good guess. Had one of them felt his life was in danger care to guess what could have happened to Jazmin or one of those other children? Good guess if you thought one or more could have been hurt or killed. This is why Tamara has been a danger to her child since a baby. She has placed the child in harms way. Bruce McCormick has only aided in this. No one has challenged what she has done and the legal system has ignored her to date of mental and emotional child abuse. What she did also placed Albert's life in danger. I have done all possible to protect my own child and find it hard to believe any woman who claims to love their child would do the things Tamara Rotolo has or Nicole for that matter. Both woman had endangered their child's lives, stole their childhood denying them the rights and freedoms normal children are allowed to have and for what? MONEY.

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I am beginning to think it is quite possible that it was Rainer, in a bid to protect Monoco's line, had a hand in creating this situation for PA. When one thinks of how PA insisted NC keep Alexandre a secret until Rainer's death, one can only imagine Rainer was not happy about JGG.
The above part I have to ask why do people say this? Protect the line from what? Before the change in the Constitution Jazmin still had no claim to the Throne she was illegitimate and therefore NOT eligible to inherit it except in the mind of her mother and those who don't understand how it works. The change was to ensure the Throne passed to a legitimate Grimaldi. Adoption was taken out and was only put in due to Rainier's mother being adopted by her biological father Louis to make her legitimate so it wouldn't revert to French rule. The new Constitution fixed this part as well. Monaco was recognized as an independent State.
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Old 03-06-2006, 02:45 AM
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If TR conceived on July 8, 1991, their first day together, the due date would be approx. April 7, 1992, which is 39 weeks after conception. Conception after July 8 pushes the due date further into April - anywhere from April 7 to April 28. Jazmin was born March 4, 1992, which is actually 4 - 7 weeks early. She would have had to be weeks premature for PA to have fathered her.
According to the chart I'm looking at, no math on my side, it's the Mayo Clinic Complete Book of Pregnancy and Baby's first year, page 7, a child concieved between July 10th and July 17th would be due between April 2nd and 9th if it was 40 weeks. However, it's 40 weeks from the first day of the last period, it's closer to 38 weeks when calculating from conception. Which does not make much difference except, that would not make the birth all that premature. I talk to women all the time who deliver weeks early. As I stated, many doctors call 36 weeks full term, if that were the case she would only be a couple weeks early. In any case, the only way to know for sure is DNA. TR has produced a child, she does not owe the public sonograms, and we do not know that she has not produced them to attorney's.
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Old 03-06-2006, 11:17 AM
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According to the chart I'm looking at, no math on my side, it's the Mayo Clinic Complete Book of Pregnancy and Baby's first year, page 7, a child concieved between July 10th and July 17th would be due between April 2nd and 9th if it was 40 weeks. However, it's 40 weeks from the first day of the last period, it's closer to 38 weeks when calculating from conception. Which does not make much difference except, that would not make the birth all that premature. I talk to women all the time who deliver weeks early. As I stated, many doctors call 36 weeks full term, if that were the case she would only be a couple weeks early. In any case, the only way to know for sure is DNA. TR has produced a child, she does not owe the public sonograms, and we do not know that she has not produced them to attorney's.
By your own chart the dates are still off by weeks. I used 39 weeks not 40. Also, the due dates calculated for early April still only take into account that TR conceived on or about July 8 and not on or near July 29 - at the end of their fling. If she conceived during the end then the due date is approx. April 14, April 21 or April 28. I think PA and his team looked at this and knew this didn't pass the smell test.
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Old 03-06-2006, 01:03 PM
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Arg! I hate math! LOL If you get right down to it, DNA is the only thing that matters here. Whether or not the baby was premature, we will never know, and I'm sure if that were the case Tamara would have already mentioned it in the articles because it makes the dates more true. As it stands now, they look slightly, but not fully, out of kilter.

My thoughts still go back to the victimization of the girl, and also her mothers behavior. She must have been an easy date, if you catch my meaning. It doesn't sound like Albert had to put much effort into this 'affair' because she slept with him within hours. She has not denied this, either. So.....where were her morals?

She was separated from her husband. She met up with a Prince....he must have looked like the perfect target too. She immediately slept with him. Later...surprise! surprise! there's a baby in the mix. Does this sound familiar? It's the same path that NC took, only in her case she was able to prove the connection. Albert has stalled TR from being able to do that, and he probably has good reason to. Maybe the dates are off. Maybe she was pregnant by a third man, before she arrived in Monaco. Maybe she's a whackjob or something, and the only thing that saved him from being stuck with her was the fact that she was only in Monaco on holiday, and had a return ticket home.

In any case, she only started the paternity suit action years ago, when it was clear that Albert was ignoring her at his fathers urging. Prior to the silent treatment, she didn't seem too bothered by thoughts of suing him. Its pretty funny that she thinks her daughter will the the Sovereign of Monaco some day though. Further proof that to some extent, the chick is delusional.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 03-06-2006, 02:18 PM
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By your own chart the dates are still off by weeks. I used 39 weeks not 40. Also, the due dates calculated for early April still only take into account that TR conceived on or about July 8 and not on or near July 29 - at the end of their fling. If she conceived during the end then the due date is approx. April 14, April 21 or April 28. I think PA and his team looked at this and knew this didn't pass the smell test.
I had gone over this myself in a past post in this thread of calcutaling when she concieved based on the same information and I also said what you did the timing of this is off and one of the reasons I said I believed Albert was NOT the father.
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Leaht = TR has produced a child, she does not owe the public sonograms, and we do not know that she has not produced them to attorney's.
Albert II of Monaco is a public person who does not owe the public DNA testing (your own words for Tamara does not owe the public) who we already know was subjected to one false claim of paternity but had no problem with DNA testing when he knew it was possible he fathered a child in the case of Alexandre. I want each of you to look at both cases and if you look carefully what you will see if Nicole learned about Tamara reading the information you have in the press. When her story came out she was almost exact in her original statement to Tamara however as time passed her story began changing.

I also want to point out about this being free press for Tamara to stay in it since we are talking about it. Sometime later this year Tamara should be getting company. That's my crystal ball.
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Old 03-06-2006, 02:34 PM
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Sometime later this year Tamara should be getting company. That's my crystal ball.
Oy vey....:(
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My thoughts still go back to the victimization of the girl, and also her mothers behavior. She must have been an easy date, if you catch my meaning. It doesn't sound like Albert had to put much effort into this 'affair' because she slept with him within hours. She has not denied this, either. So.....where were her morals?

She was separated from her husband. She met up with a Prince....he must have looked like the perfect target too. She immediately slept with him. Later...surprise! surprise! there's a baby in the mix. Does this sound familiar? It's the same path that NC took, only in her case she was able to prove the connection. Albert has stalled TR from being able to do that, and he probably has good reason to. Maybe the dates are off. Maybe she was pregnant by a third man, before she arrived in Monaco. Maybe she's a whackjob or something, and the only thing that saved him from being stuck with her was the fact that she was only in Monaco on holiday, and had a return ticket home.

In any case, she only started the paternity suit action years ago, when it was clear that Albert was ignoring her at his fathers urging. Prior to the silent treatment, she didn't seem too bothered by thoughts of suing him. Its pretty funny that she thinks her daughter will the the Sovereign of Monaco some day though. Further proof that to some extent, the chick is delusional.

Just my 2 cents.
A penny for your thoughts Bunky . I like you.
Tamara stated in her deposition she meet him within hours of meeting they went to his yacht and had intercourse. The records had originally been sealed but are now public record as most cases are. When I get my other computer back with the scanner I will post photo's taken while she was in court with her attorney. She knew it was being taken and smiled for it.

I want to point out about what I made bold in your post its Tamara's side saying that Rainier learned about it and that was why he stopped talking to her. It's possible he was trying to be nice to her as he does everyone he befriends by giving moral support and when he decided he didn't want to be apart of it she responded with a story it was his father. I have never heard in all this time from his side his father did anything. But if you think about it he might have told him it wasn't wise to continue because who knows how she might take his friendship.

The thing about he was scared Jazmin had claim to the Throne as Albert's first born how the family was scared and all is a bunch of junk again in the minds of the uneducated who don't understand how it works or law. Not even Alexandre who Albert recognized as his son after birth had any claim to the Throne nor does he now. Fact no child born outside of wedlock or adopted by Albert II is eligible to be on the Throne of Monaco. Period no way around it unless Albert II decides once again for some reason to change the Constitution. Would seem kind of stupid to me if he did. Monaco is recognized Independent State therefore France has no right to rule over it as it once did. If they tried they would cause a lot of problems for themselves for trying to over throw the Government of another country.
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Old 03-06-2006, 07:23 PM
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I agree, JG does not look like Albert to me, nor does she resemble any of his family (neices/nephews).

Even little Alexandre at least looks like PA family, his little baby pictures make you take a second look. IMO, Jazmin does not.

I think TR is just out of luck (but who knows)
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:57 AM
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But you speak as if you know the truth, all the rest of us are just giving our opinions in these matters
I thought you knew her well enough to write a book on it. Or were you just trying to find out what I know on the case? I also don't believe he should be publicly harassed, or blackmailed for blood to do DNA testing. If Albert had signed the birth certificate do any of you think Tamara would be quiet about it?

People have wondered if the Palace knows about this site. Yes, they do as well as others. That isn't a guess that's a fact. I suggest if you don't want them to know about something or could be questionable of being sued that you don't post it.

I am confused how a person that isn't a Monaco Princely Family member can get two threads in a Forum on them. Gee can I have one since there is a rumor Albert is my daughters father because I said she has his and Stephanies features?
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If this thing is going to fall on family resemblance then I'm sure that PA is not the father of Jazmin. To suggest she looks or has looked in past like Andrea is odd since he is the splitting image of his father just as Charlotte is the splitting image of her mother. Stephano Casiraghi and his family are completely separate with their own gene pool. Unfortunately, this is the line TR has been using all of these years. Maybe not publicly but the people around her and who seem to speak for her were always selling this idea that Jazmin looked like Caroline and she clearly doesn't. Now she's supposed to look like Andrea or Albert who himself is the splitting image of his mother, Grace. This just seems like a scam and a set up that didn't go TR's way. PA should not have anything to do with this woman or her family or friends. This is just too weird.
I bold printed your remark. Yes, they are similar with the fair features but I see where he takes after the Scottish side.
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I thought you knew her well enough to write a book on it. Or were you just trying to find out what I know on the case? I also don't believe he should be publicly harassed, or blackmailed for blood to do DNA testing. If Albert had signed the birth certificate do any of you think Tamara would be quiet about it?

People have wondered if the Palace knows about this site. Yes, they do as well as others. That isn't a guess that's a fact. I suggest if you don't want them to know about something or could be questionable of being sued that you don't post it.

I am confused how a person that isn't a Monaco Princely Family member can get two threads in a Forum on them. Gee can I have one since there is a rumor Albert is my daughters father because I said she has his and Stephanies features?
You got me, sorry
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I thought you knew her well enough to write a book on it. Or were you just trying to find out what I know on the case? I also don't believe he should be publicly harassed, or blackmailed for blood to do DNA testing. If Albert had signed the birth certificate do any of you think Tamara would be quiet about it?

People have wondered if the Palace knows about this site. Yes, they do as well as others. That isn't a guess that's a fact. I suggest if you don't want them to know about something or could be questionable of being sued that you don't post it.

I am confused how a person that isn't a Monaco Princely Family member can get two threads in a Forum on them. Gee can I have one since there is a rumor Albert is my daughters father because I said she has his and Stephanies features?
Yes, sense of proportion would be perfect in every situation and every place including this site, mass media, public places like stadium etc. etc. etc. :)
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Old 03-07-2006, 02:49 AM
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"I am confused how a person that isn't a Monaco Princely Family member can get two threads in a Forum on them. " Lady MacAlpine

Well, she might be and she might not be. Nobody knows conclusively because their is no public DNA test. Acually, the court dismissed the case because they had no juristiction to compell him to submit to DNA. I for one, do not believe PA should have publically acknowledged Alexandre, nor should he Jazmin. But since he is making sure Alexandre "....will never want for anything" maybe Jazmin should have the same.

As far as resemblance goes, my eyes are brown, like my fathers but if we stood next to each other, you would never know.
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"People have wondered if the Palace knows about this site. Yes, they do as well as others. That isn't a guess that's a fact. I suggest if you don't want them to know about something or could be questionable of being sued that you don't post it." Lady MacAlpine

Lady M, I hate to repsond to these kinds of remarks. I know you have good intentions but I live in America. You know, First Amendment, freedom of speech, I can say whatever I like about whomever I like and no one can sue me for my opinion. And in my humble opinion, Jazmin cannot be ruled out as PA child without DNA, I do not care if she was born early and has the same ear lobes.
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I for one, do not believe PA should have publically acknowledged Alexandre
Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious.
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Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious.
No, can't be serious... no way... impossible. It's an off-the-cuff joke... a poor joke... but still a joke. Right?

I felt the same about someone's comments regarding those in MC and the palace reading this forum to stay "informed." I sleep well at night knowing very well the palace has far more important things to think about than us and our rants. What we have to say or our speculation posted here is in no doubt the equivalent to them stubbing their toe. And we all know how much we despise that.
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