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Old 07-04-2011, 11:48 AM
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Charlene had many chances to walk: when she did the Miramar mile in S. Africa this spring, when she went to Athens just a week ago. Forcibly holding someone is a very serious charge; similar to kidnapping. I find it hard to believe that the governments of France and S. Africa would abet such a thing. That would make them accessories to the crime.
Has there been any type of evidence which supports such a claim that Charlene was/is being held against her will. Everyone keeps talking about it and with no disrespect to the French newspaper....where is the proof?

What I find it alarming is everyone is making a VERY SERIOUS accusations(against Monaco, the French police, Prince Albert, etc.) but no one is providing anything that supports such a claim. In the US, that in itself would be a lawsuit as well as criminal charges (i.e. defamation of character and kidnapping).

I think it would be wise NOT TO RUSH TO JUDGEMENT until the FACTS become known.
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:58 AM
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Love reading all your comments. This is the BEST FORUM EVER!

I cannot explain why, but I really like this couple and wish only the best for them.

I don't dislike the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge but I have no interest in them. The papers are full of them at the moment (William/Catherine). I so DISLIKE all the negative articles from the British Press about the Foreign Royals .... they love to belittle them. The British Royal Family are hardly free from scandal themselves.
I love the BRF and I love the British...but I do not love their air of smug superiority toward other Royal families.

When CP Victoria married last summer in that dazzling wedding, one Brit paper seized the opportunity to mock the groom's lowly background and to speculate about Carl Philip's soft porn girlfriend...it was almost as if they were jealous of Sweden for pulling off such a magnificent, successful wedding.

How would British Royal weddings and funerals look if none of the foreign Royalty attended again and decided to boycott?

Very provincial indeed.

In my mind, all of these people(modern Royalty) are in the same boat..forced to justify their existence to an increasingly apathetic public.
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:59 AM
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It seems odd why now a paternity claim has been brought. The time of it seems rather suspect to me.
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:02 PM
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In the US, that in itself would be a lawsuit as well as criminal charges (i.e. defamation of character and kidnapping).
I think Albert will refrain from suing because at least part of the accusations will be correct (more illigitimate children)
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:08 PM
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I think Albert will refrain from suing because at least part of the accusations will be correct (more illigitimate children)
I am not sure how it works in France and/or Monaco, but he can limit the claim. Its one thing IMO to suggest that he has fathered an illegtimate child (which can be proven or disproven by a DNA test) its quite another to state that he held someone against their will. That is very serious and a bigger issue than the cheating.
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:14 PM
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I am not sure how it works in France and/or Monaco, but he can limit the claim. Its one thing IMO to suggest that he has fathered an illegtimate child (which can be proven or disproven by a DNA test) its quite another to state that he held someone against their will. That is very serious and a bigger issue than the cheating.
Well, he wont do it because if Prince Albert II Sovereign of Monaco will sue papers because of claims that he prevented his bride from running away before the wedding, people will pay even more attention to the topic than they have done so far and it will make world-wide headlines for months until court decision. Not a good idea. And then, if the other part is true and there are more children out of wedlock, people may chose to believe the runaway story anyway, no matter what is proven in court or not. Its pointless, really.
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:18 PM
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Has there been any type of evidence which supports such a claim that Charlene was/is being held against her will. Everyone keeps talking about it and with no disrespect to the French newspaper....where is the proof?

What I find it alarming is everyone is making a VERY SERIOUS accusations(against Monaco, the French police, Prince Albert, etc.) but no one is providing anything that supports such a claim. In the US, that in itself would be a lawsuit as well as criminal charges (i.e. defamation of character and kidnapping).

I think it would be wise NOT TO RUSH TO JUDGEMENT until the FACTS become known.
A clue to understand how the french judicial system works: in France, the defamation is punishable as well and there could be a judicial inquiry before an eventual trial if a complaint is lodged. However, most of time, when a paper claims something writing "I have proofs but I will protect my sources", if the people involved (here: the french police) know that it is true, there is no complaint because they know proofs will be given during the trial so that the journalist is discharged. No lawsuit often means that everything is true but someone had rather not all the details displayed in all the medias.
As for the kidnapping and potential accusations against police and Albert II, the Prince has a diplomatic immunity and can not be prosecuted, and it is very difficult to sue policemen for a crime, even when everything can be proved.

That is not an indication about the truth of the story. Everyone here knows my opinion on the subject so I won't re-write it but it can help to understand how everything can be interpreted.

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I am not sure how it works in France and/or Monaco, but he can limit the claim. Its one thing IMO to suggest that he has fathered an illegtimate child (which can be proven or disproven by a DNA test) its quite another to state that he held someone against their will. That is very serious and a bigger issue than the cheating.
Alas, there have already been stories of people hold against their will (to prevent them to demonstrate during a presidential visit, for example - this happened this year) and this has not been a big scandal nor a very big issue in the news. Most of the people are fuming when they learn this but no one has the pluck to protest too openly.
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I have to wonder about these "palace officials" who seem to take it upon themselves to make statements to the press. Who are they and are their statements "approved"?

One of the problems I see is that with the history will PA constantly be battling accusations. It would not be fair to expect the man to be subjected to paternity testing on a frequent basis, though it seems he may be vulnerable to those demands no matter how faithful he is. Other than having cameras following him all the time or never being out of sight of Charlene how is the man to be protected ?
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:37 PM
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He has open himself up to these kind of allegations, by sleeping with women witout using protection. No one can blame him for seeking companionship before he got engaged, but the consequences is so easily provented. It shows poor judgment on his part, that he apparantly have continued this behavior even when in a relationship. I sincerly hope that Charlene is compensated in other ways for agreeing to marry him, poor girl.
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:46 PM
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Charlene is Charlene and I am myself......and there's no way I would marry man who had two illegitimate children already, and was facing a paternity test because of another. Especially if the paternity test was concerning a child conceived and born in the time that we were together. I don't care if they were just dating, or if they were engaged....if you're with someone, you're with them. That means you don't go sleeping around with other people and say "Well, we weren't engaged, so it's not like I was committed to her or anything." Horsepuckey.

Sorry, but no title and no jewels and no palace would make me marry a man like that.
You took the words out of my mouth!! There's no way I'd marry a playboy like that. I have zero tolerance for men like Albert. No palace, no title, no jewels could get me to join my life with such a man. Maybe Charlene felt like marriage would change him. But once a player always a player. Or maybe she wanted to be a princess so badly. I don't know. I have a feeling Char's in for a bumpy ride.
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Marrying a man in his 50ies, one must be prepared that he has some kind of past and wether the children are illegitemate or not, is hardly the issue. But having him cheat on you, now that is very different. I personally would kill him, but I guess that is very much frowned upon when it comes to a head of state. I pray hard, that the test will be negative, so they can move forward an start their own family.

Note to self: Never marry a prince from Monaco
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:01 PM
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Or maybe she genuinely loves the guy? She has stated many times she fell in love at first sight, and by the time Albert's skeletons came rattling out of the closet it was too late. You can't help who you fall in love with.

In her position, I'd be very, very concerned for my health and I would demand an AIDS test. I have said it before...PA has a deep rooted self destructive streak that has it's origins in the way Rainier interacted with him growing up.

Either that or he is a sex addict who requires treatment.

In both cases, he should be ashamed of himself.
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I think that when the glass will fill up for Charlene she'll start talkig just like Diana did. The late princess admitted the interviews where done in secrecy, with the help of some close people who kept them hidden. When the royal family wanted to stop it from airing it was too late. You can imagine that Charlene is watched day and night, what she says, what she does, whom she talks to. ALbert is a shady guy. Once she got into this relationship, she ended her freedom. He'll cheat on her , treat her bad, produce more kids with other women, he will never change. I think it will be very hard for her to get out, he needs the legitimate heir at all costs. I wouldn't be surprised if Charlene will deal with depression, eating disorders, etc. Let's hope she won't end like Diana.
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You said it, Moonmaiden23.

I must be hell watching someone you love being this selfdestructive. I hope she has nerves of steel, if she is going to help and support him. But perhaps not the easiest task of trying to change the behavior of a grown man 20 years your senior.

As for the AIDS test, I would have one at least every 3 months, just to be on the safe side

And yes he should be very, very ashamed of him self. I hope he spends the rest of his life making up for it.



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Or maybe she genuinely loves the guy? She has stated many times she fell in love at first sight, and by the time Albert's skeletons came rattling out of the closet it was too late. You can't help who you fall in love with.

In her position, I'd be very, very concerned for my health and I would demand an AIDS test. I have said it before...PA has a deep rooted self destructive streak that has it's origins in the way Rainier interacted with him growing up.

Either that or he is a sex addict who requires treatment.

In both cases, he should be ashamed of himself.
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:20 PM
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For the last time, if you wish to discuss the advantages and perils of safe sex, I would suggest you do so elsewhere.

TRF has an extremely varied membership base in regards to age (yes, teenagers). They might know about it and watch it on television, but TRF is not here to educate them on the subject.

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I'm wondering if this thread should be closed as it seems it would difficult to discuss the issue without also discussing the things which are found to be inappropriate?

Only a curious question as it seems all to be incompatible.
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:46 PM
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I am wondering the same thing Princess of Durham. The problem is that people are talking about this in ALL of the Charlene & Albert wedding threads.

ETA: To be honest, the Monaco moderators understand the great interest in this story, the rumours swirling around Charlene's potential flight, additional children fathered by Albert, etc. With that in mind, we are allowing a lot of things to be said or inferred (i.e. Charlene marrying for a title, Albert being a player, etc.) without an iota of proof being given by members to support such statements. Albert (and to an extent) Charlene have been judged guilty without any evidence. I am just trying to draw a line in the sand on what is and what is not acceptable.

If anyone has any questions and/or concerns please contact the Monaco moderators via PM.

Thank you!

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I just finsihed the live coverage of the wedding by the German channel ZDF (I had to tape the end of it) and sorry, I simply don't believe in these rumours. Yes, maybe Charlene doubted her prince for a moment and yes, maybe she threatened to leave him if he didn't tell her all but you could really see how after the wedding service her "sadness" was gone, so I guess it was just concentration on behaving perfectly during the service. She really smiled at Albert and he was very kind when helping her with her dress, so I guess it's just rumours.

I have read often that Monaco is a real snakepool when it comes to rumours and intrigues and I think it was all ochestrated by somebody who wished to dampen the wedding fever. I highly doubt that after having fathered two illegitimate children Albert is stupid enough to risk that again, no matter how seductive a woman is. He had found Charlene and must have known what kind of scandal that would be and that he couldn't do anything to prevent that, so I simply don't believe these accusations. especially as the media says he has to take a paternity test during "the next days" when anyone knows that he is not available for such a test due to his being on honeymoon.
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I see no reason to close this thread as a discussion about the issues which develop in connection with a Royal/Princely House logically belongs on The Royal Forum... to me, it's as simple as that.
When issues arise which are unpleasant, it's never a good way to deal with them by ignoring them.

(The mere mention of the word AIDS won't do harm to any teenager either, though I understand Zonk because it should certainly not become a focus of this disucssion.)
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I see no reason to close this thread as a discussion about the issues which develop in connection with a Royal/Princely House logically belongs on The Royal Forum... to me, it's as simple as that.
When issues arise which are unpleasant, it's never a good way to deal with them by ignoring them.

(The mere mention of the word AIDS won't do harm to any teenager either, though I understand Zonk because it should certainly not become a focus of this disucssion.)
I only asked the question as a .... well, question. Honestly, most teenagers these days know exactly about all the "processes" and as you mentioned the health issue. I do agree that making unfounded statements regarding behavior is not a good thing but then, that is exactly what the press has led us to discuss. My comment had to do with the propriety of the subject matter because of younger members. It's difficult to discuss the news portion without the other issues entering into the dicussion. Just to clarify my comment/opinion.
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