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Old 07-03-2011, 09:31 PM
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I believe if the princess leaves her husband she will also foreit any children of the marriage to the prince so unless she is prepared to do that, she will not be free to do her own thing at all.
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Old 07-03-2011, 09:39 PM
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I think what ILuvBertie said is true, whether or not I believe the original French article. The article says they had to reach a new agreement, following upon Charlene's discovery of the new toddler.

I'd warrant that her pre-nup was made even more rewarding to her. Seems to be her way of negotiating (and she certainly seems to find ways of alerting the press of her problems). Here's the original article (in French, in the French Express).

Albert-Charlene, péril sur le mariage - L'EXPRESS

I do wonder why the Telegraph doesn't cite specifically which "French press" it is quoting.

The French article says that the Pastor family of Monaco had to be called into play to act as intermediaries between the Prince and his would-be bride. It also says that Charlene was able to go to Paris to try on her gown during the week before the wedding, and that when she came back, she shunned family parties and other celebrations leading up to the wedding. It also says she made a trip to Nice in which she bought a one-way ticket to South Africa.

But an agreement of some kind was achieved.

The reporter's name is Turello and Reuters bought the story. The Palace of Monaco denies any basis to the story.
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Old 07-03-2011, 09:40 PM
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She could have walked out at any time. She continued to travel and could have left from any other area. She could have crossed the border in a car and gone from there. Her parents are not idiots, they could have gone to the press and said this"person" is holding my child captive. No parent would consent to have their child enter into a life of misery. Diana thought she could change Charles. She was 19 and a fool. Thso woman is much older. Many of these people have "side lives". One either acquieces or you run.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:00 PM
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I believe if the princess leaves her husband she will also foreit any children of the marriage to the prince so unless she is prepared to do that, she will not be free to do her own thing at all.
She could very well do her own thing within the marriage.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:01 PM
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So basically they broke up for a while and he started "dating" again. OK, well thats fair, not exactly being unfaithful if they had parted ways at that time. Dumb if its true that she became pregnant by him and understandable why Charlene might be upset but still not an abstacle that can't be overcome.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:10 PM
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So basically they broke up for a while and he started "dating" again. OK, well thats fair, not exactly being unfaithful if they had parted ways at that time. Dumb if its true that she became pregnant by him and understandable why Charlene might be upset but still not an abstacle that can't be overcome.
It was only for a couple of weeks after her birthday in Jan. This isn't the girl who got pregnant. I added that to my post,
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:13 PM
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Is there any possibility that Charlene might have been at the South Africa Embassy to return her passport or sign any other papers having to do with her nationality? Here's what might seem to be a stupid question, but do people from Monaco have a passport authorized by The Prince of Monaco, or is it authorized by the President of France? And would Charlene have dual citizenship, or is that allowed in her situation and with her new nationality?
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:14 PM
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I don't know if this has been posted, but here Charlene talked about the rumors directly to US Vogue:
Inside the Monaco Royal Wedding: Charlene Wittstock Addresses the Rumors - Magazine - Vogue

She says they are just rumors. Of course she could be lying, but I choose to believe her. This is the quote: Of the week’s turbulent stories, she said, “It is a shame that those rumors came at such a bad time, but I think they were timed to sabotage such a happy occasion. They are categorical lies. I won’t dignify them with any response other than to say that the photographs of me and Albert in love and getting married will speak louder than any vicious gossip and empty rumors.”
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Princess Charlene of Monaco 'tried to flee three times' - Telegraph

HE SHOULD LET THIS WOMAN GO! To me it feels like she's kept hostage in order to produce an heir and bail him out of the mess. Something should be done.



In the new claims reported in the JDD, the newspaper quoted Monaco "policy advisors" among those discussing "two illegitimate children – one already born, the other to come" and the Princess trying to "escape three times".
The sources said that when Charlene visited Paris in May to try on her white-silk Armani wedding dress she "took refuge" in the South African embassy.
Later that month she also tried to escape during the Monaco Formula 1 Grand Prix, they alleged. Then, last week, she allegedly had her passport confiscated en route to Nice airport via the helicopter service which runs between regularly between Monaco and France.
Senior police officials were reported to have confirmed the passport confiscation to Le Figaro newspaper last week.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:36 PM
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Princess Charlene of Monaco 'tried to flee three times' - Telegraph

HE SHOULD LET THIS WOMAN GO! To me it feels like she's kept hostage in order to produce an heir and bail him out of the mess. Something should be done.

In the new claims reported in the JDD, the newspaper quoted Monaco "policy advisors" among those discussing "two illegitimate children – one already born, the other to come" and the Princess trying to "escape three times".
The sources said that when Charlene visited Paris in May to try on her white-silk Armani wedding dress she "took refuge" in the South African embassy.
Later that month she also tried to escape during the Monaco Formula 1 Grand Prix, they alleged. Then, last week, she allegedly had her passport confiscated en route to Nice airport via the helicopter service which runs between regularly between Monaco and France.
Senior police officials were reported to have confirmed the passport confiscation to Le Figaro newspaper last week.
You know, this is all very dramatic and makes good copy - certainly sells the newspapers - but I really don't think 'in this day and age' that they would be holding her against her will. Quarrels happen, tempers flaring (despite being shy, I have a feeling Charlene is not a push over - and I think who Albert is as a man has not escaped her notice - he's a player - she knows that - its part of who he is and why she is attracted to him, in love with him - such men are very compelling for a reason) - pursuit of the beloved, sure - but if she wanted out - I mean REALLY wanted OUT - she could have had out in an instant in any number of ways. Call a press conference, for one, spill the beans. Double the scandal.

No, she's in love. They are connected. Maybe not the way a lot of people would want to be connected - maybe they don't show their connection the way other royals are 'showing' their connection - but they're connected. I suspect its a fiery and tempestuous relationship - thats the romantic in me - but oft times with that kind of background crackle, the 'show' is muted. They have nothing to prove.

In fact I find the current 'royal fad' of demonstrating 'love' to the cameras - empty. (And that's being kind).
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:40 PM
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Just by referring to Charlene as "THIS WOMAN" you make your sentiments clear. I can assure you that she is a strong-willed lady, and that if she had wanted out a wedding would not have taken place over the weekend. PA is the one who has brought shame over Monaco (again). Whatever is going to transpire now, we will get clarity between fact and fiction. And I hope they will be able to resolve things and move on. They are a beautiful couple and a great fit; they really complement each other, IMO. If PA can display the same commitment and loyalty towards his new wife (that she's showing towards him), this marriage has a good chance to survive. I do wish them happiness -- the House of Grimaldi certainly deserves it.
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AFP is the source of the news, this is the french national news agency. They have this info from trusted channels. If the two of them reached an agreement then the show will go on because the public needs to buy in the story. For the sake of her children, Charlene should try to pull out of producing one. How? I don't know, messing out with Albert is not easy. I think she's been given big bucks to continue with the wedding, but Albert won't stop here with fathering out of wedlock children. Once a cheater always a cheater. There will be more.

I expect her to deny publicly these allegations at her husbands request via staged interviews, but news like this don't come out of nothing. There is some truth in it whether we like it or not.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:52 PM
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I believe if the princess leaves her husband she will also foreit any children of the marriage to the prince so unless she is prepared to do that, she will not be free to do her own thing at all.
You are exactly right. In Monaco the children are the "property" of the Sovereign...this is also true in England.

Diana needed written permission from the Queen to take William and Harry out of the UK to go on vacation.

Grace Kelly was also informed of this prior to her civil and religious wedding which might be why she was one of the most miserable looking brides in modern Royal history.

It will be the same for Princess Charlene.


BTW...I want to give Tyger a HUGE CHEER for your great post...this cheesy and ultimately meaningless value on how a Royal couple shows "love" on their wedding day is getting ridiculous, imo.

As I posted above, Grace was a miserable looking bride on her wedding day. She looked like she was going to a funeral. But all anyone remembers from that day is her incredible beauty.

Joachim and Alexandra of Denmark were giddy with "love" and all over one another and so were Andrew and Sarah York...see how those both turned out??
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:27 PM
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Princess Charlene of Monaco 'tried to flee three times' - Telegraph

HE SHOULD LET THIS WOMAN GO! To me it feels like she's kept hostage in order to produce an heir and bail him out of the mess. Something should be done.



In the new claims reported in the JDD, the newspaper quoted Monaco "policy advisors" among those discussing "two illegitimate children – one already born, the other to come" and the Princess trying to "escape three times".
The sources said that when Charlene visited Paris in May to try on her white-silk Armani wedding dress she "took refuge" in the South African embassy.
Later that month she also tried to escape during the Monaco Formula 1 Grand Prix, they alleged. Then, last week, she allegedly had her passport confiscated en route to Nice airport via the helicopter service which runs between regularly between Monaco and France.
Senior police officials were reported to have confirmed the passport confiscation to Le Figaro newspaper last week.
Agreed...and if her passport is confiscated, then that is a MAJOR crime. The South African embassy should have placed her on the first flight back to South Africa. What was Prince Albert going to do - declare war on South Africa? I can see Monaco, and indeed France doing that - NOT!

What disturbs me the most is that he is having unprotected sex, hence placing Princess Charlene's health in danger. Who cares about the illegitimate children, the possibility of catching sexually-transmitted infection/disease should be at the forefront. If these rumours become truths, what an absolutely disgrace of a man!
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:46 PM
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BTW...I want to give Tyger a HUGE CHEER for your great post...this cheesy and ultimately meaningless value on how a Royal couple shows "love" on their wedding day is getting ridiculous, imo.
Thank you, Moonmaiden. i was wondering if I was alone in this.
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I am sure if in a year's time the marriage is not working out for whatever reason, the Princess would have no trouble getting an annulment citing unreasonable behaviour from the Prince. I am sure Charlene and Albert will try 100% to make it a success, but if it does not work out Charlene can walk away, and I am sure she will. Diana Princess of Wales, stuck it out for years. I doubt Charlene will if things are not right. Let's see what happens in a year’s time.

Maybe Albert is just not the marrying kind and that is the real fact of the matter. But please Albert, give the Princess the happiness she deserves. I wonder why Albert is the type of person he is and who does command his respect? I worry if Charlene is too weak a character, but I don't see Albert welcoming a stronger type of woman with open arms either. I don't doubt Charlene's love for Albert but I could not 100% say with certainly Albert's love for Charlene. Only he knows the answer to that but I believe the next 18 months will tell us what is really going on. Children will not be able to hide an unhappy marriage as we saw with Charles and Diana. I really like Albert and Charlene and I want Albert to prove to the world he can be a good and loving kind husband.

Just wondering I suppose the law does not forbid a 2nd marriage for Albert if Albert chooses to. But who would take him on with his track record.

Come on Albert grow up and be a decent husband for the Princess. Unfortunately, Albert himself is the one that gives the newspapers all these nasty stories to print because of his own reckless behaviour.
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Just wondering I suppose the law does not forbid a 2nd marriage for Albert if Albert chooses to. But who would take him on with his track record.
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Under Catholic cannon law, he cannot remarry unless he is a widow.

If he divorces, then he is free to marry another under common law.
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I don't believe in this stuff - three times trying to flee? This is not a romance book with the virgin and the sheik as heroine and hero, this is 2011 in a country that is part of the European Union! But it's interesting how many different explanations are out there for the fact that Charlene in fact said yes to Albert: she is either in love and weak or strong-willed, she has struck a tough bargain or decided to sacrifice herself.. Come on, this is a former world-class athlete who knows all about discipline and facing the results of decisions. She married him and he obviously loves her and cares for her and she has shown often enough that she is willing to be comforted by him: that's a good basis for a marriage. Just recall Zara Philips and her reaction to the facts about her groom's stag party: she said something along the lines of "Boys will be boys" - and I guess Charlene has a similar point of view, otherwise she wouldn't have taken Albert.

And we don't know how difficult it is to get a judge's order for a paternity test. Or is there no such order? And if there is, why is this not published as a fact? We read only about rumours. Rumours from sources the media deems reliable but still only rumours.
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Love reading all your comments. This is the BEST FORUM EVER!

I cannot explain why, but I really like this couple and wish only the best for them.

I don't dislike the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge but I have no interest in them. The papers are full of them at the moment (William/Catherine). I so DISLIKE all the negative articles from the British Press about the Foreign Royals .... they love to belittle them. The British Royal Family are hardly free from scandal themselves.
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Ready for another Wedding? I have never heard of these two. Wonderful if the Prince and Princess of Monaco decide to attend??
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